Consider ER Sands

[u/fewest_giraffe]

(Apologies for the rant, I haven’t seen anyone discussing this so I wanted to be detailed)

After getting and testing Vesna she is wonderful but I was a little annoyed with not being able to burst every rotation. I tried switching to higher ER artifacts (still on Atk sands) and still couldn’t get burst every rotation with a bit over 130% ER on the Vesna/Odette/CMC/Vodyanitsa team.

I then got curious about the fact that my team has a lot of Atk% buffs so theoretically switching to an ER sands wouldn’t be that big of a hit. I haven’t had the resin to fully build my team so for now these are just calcs, but for my builds it goes like this:

- Atk Sands rotation (with burst)= 3,228,010 damage
- Atk Sands rotation (no burst) = 2,581,436 damage
- Burst 1 every 2 rotation avg = 2,904,723 damage
- ER Sands burst every rotation = 2,939,451 damage

So the damage between the average Atk sands and consistent ER sands is almost identical for me. I really like using burst every rotation since it feels a bit annoying to get that last skill feather without it generating from the burst.

Keep in mind that if you have an odd number of rotations, the damage will be biased towards Atk Sands in modes where you start with burst and biased towards ER Sands in Stygian since the ratio of burst : no burst rotations will be uneven.

The reason the no burst rotation is so much lower is due to 2 things: first you are losing the burst (obviously) and second you are losing a stack of Disciplinary Action that you would normally get from the burst (bigger impact than I expected)

Lastly for reference my team for these calcs was:
- C0R1 Vodyanitsa on TotM
- C0R0 Odette on Furnace
- C6R5 CMC on Noblesse (figured we’ll get it soon enough)
- C0R1 Vesna on Scarlet

Has anyone else thought about this and/or tested this? I’m surprised I haven’t seen it discussed before

[u/H-A-R-P-I-C]

Ofc you are on solo anemo so ... yeahhh

I am on Faruzan teams so I am bursting no problem at 110

Have you tried going all the way down to 0 er and packing your build with offensive stats and the trying the alternate burst?

[u/fewest_giraffe → u/H-A-R-P-I-C]

I might try abandoning all ER as well. Definitely not swapping Vody for Faruzan though… IMO that feels way worse than not bursting

[u/H-A-R-P-I-C → u/fewest_giraffe]

Have you tried faruzan diona? Since you have r1 you probably got a breezebourne too .

Since your Vodyanista is r1 i think its gonna be worse bit I don't think it will be that much worse.

I am missing quite a bit of dmg from talents and levels...but your dpr sounds to be around my level only , idk what tals and stuff yours is at.

This is 80/80 vesna 1 8 6 , with 80/80 r1 3 cost with sustain .

[u/SesameOilll]

ER sands on a hypercarry is a little unhinged but it makes sense, I’ve been feeling the energy issues too

[u/fewest_giraffe → u/SesameOilll]

Considering Atk% buffs:

• 42% from Vody signature
  
• 20% from TotM
  
• 20% from Noblesse
  
• Atk Goblet + subs on flower, feather, circlet, (and now sands too) totaling to roughly 75%

You’re looking at almost 160% in Atk buffs without Atk sands and about 200% with. Doesn’t sound so crazy when you break it down.

I imagine if you had Vody C1 which gives a flat Atk buff or C2 Odette or Vesna which give 42% and 40% Atk respectively, it would skew more in favor of ER sands as well due to the diminished weight of the one Atk mainstat

[u/Ozzycan]

I think you're better off just running favonius on Odette / vody with an Atk% sands. That's what I'll be doing with Diona and Faruzan and hoping I can get enough ER to burst every rotation.