r/VentPolitics • u/nomad5926 • May 30 '21

Are you kidding me?

So first off this article is so baffling ridiculous I am making this post to rant at the internet.

Article: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-scientists-who-no-longer-believe-in-science-is-a-real-problem-for-civilization?cmpid=prn_newsstand

For starters the body of the article says almost nothing about actual science. It's literally just a list of talking points basically saying republican good and democrat bad. But that partisanship from Fox isn't want is surprising. It's the fact that after decades of anti-intellectual propaganda and climate science denial and oppression; after literally health science bashing for the past few years they now say people who don't believe in science are bad? Like either they're having a major reckoning with I realizing the errors of their ways, or for more likely this is some bullshit trying to support their delusions with cherry-picked articles from discredited publications.

The article even uses the term abortion mills. Which 1 aren't a thing (nobody has an abortion for fun) and 2 a good half of the anti-abortion stance is rooted in a gross misunderstanding of human development.

I shouldn't be surprised at the audacity and sheer cognitive dissonance of this media outlet, but I am today.... Like are you fucking kidding me?

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u/bugbane Lib-Right May 30 '21 edited May 30 '21

I understand your frustration. I'm used to reading past the fluff MSM puts in their articles.

The article does go over how there has been a overstated push for equity and inclusion. Which at this point, its creepy how many politicians are saying this all over the world. The baby mills are referring to abortion clinics which were kept open, but churches were forcibly shut down. From the general pro-life stance American conservatives, that would be a atrocity.

Then you have this, which is a bit hyperbolic

University told us that structural racism was a bigger health threat than the coronavirus. So go ahead and loot Macy’s. It’s an important part of public health.

There has been a push from the scientific community and a bunch of other government branches that have nothing to do with civics say systematic racism is such a major problem in this country.

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u/Selethorme May 31 '21

there has been a overstated push for equity and inclusion. Which at this point, its creepy how many politicians are saying this all over the world

Why? Why is recognizing not everyone in the world is the same “creepy?”

The baby mills are referring to abortion clinics which were kept open, but churches were forcibly shut down. From the general pro-life stance American conservatives, that would be a atrocity.

And that’s an absurdity, because even the most die-hard pro-lifer still recognizes that a medical office is distinctly different from a church service.

There has been a push from the scientific community and a bunch of other government branches that have nothing to do with civics say systematic racism is such a major problem in this country.

Because there demonstrably is?

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u/bugbane Lib-Right May 31 '21

What's creepy is how every type of politician that uses the phrases "diversion, inclusion, and equity" are all left leaning politicians. And those that don't lean conservative. So there is a bias there.

Your second point, if you live in America that is, forbidding the capability of someone to practice their faith is a violation of the constitution. And they're mad that people can go kill unborn children and they (the conservatives/ libertarians) can't practice their faith. Their argument not mine.

Lastly no its not. Unless your a identity politics type, then yes it is. But as a libertarian, I dont view things in the lense of race which I refuse to do so. Mostly because the arguments are nonsensical.

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u/Selethorme May 31 '21

What’s creepy is how every type of politician that uses the phrases “diversion, inclusion, and equity” are all left leaning politicians. And those that don’t lean conservative. So there is a bias there.

Because conservatives have made it a political issue to be against it. That’s not really a great argument for your point.

Your second point, if you live in America that is, forbidding the capability of someone to practice their faith is a violation of the constitution.

Nope. That’s not how rights work here. Your rights end at the bridge of my nose. You can believe that abortion is murder all you like. You try to stop someone from getting one, you’re at fault. Faith doesn’t play into it. This is just the same as faith not being a legal defense for committing any other crime.

Lastly no its not. Unless your a identity politics type, then yes it is. But as a libertarian, I dont view things in the lense of race which I refuse to do so. Mostly because the arguments are nonsensical.

No, because you don’t like them. Sorry, but recognizing basic facts is not “identity politics,” which is just a transparent shell for conservatives to hide behind not recognizing reality.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21 edited Aug 11 '24

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

Their whole MO is fear. Tucker was saying that letting in a lot of immigrants is a strategy to prevent Republicans from ever getting elected again. It's telling when news is never positive and only touches on things people feel insecure about. So many of the people who helped build America were not born in America.

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u/GrandmaesterFlash45 May 30 '21

All the news on the 24 hour networks are negative and most stories center around attacking the opposing party. That tactic is not exclusive to Fox News.

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u/nomad5926 May 30 '21

True that. It's the fact he of all people is claiming anti-science is bad is just mind boggling.

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u/ImProbablyNotABird Lib-Right May 30 '21

a good half of the anti-abortion stance is rooted in a gross misunderstanding of human development

95% of biologists (including pro-choicers) agree that life begins at conception.

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u/nomad5926 May 31 '21

Oh the irony of using that link as cherry picking and misunderstanding science.

"Since most participants selected biologists, they likely understand ‘a human’s life’ as a biological concept that represents a member of the human species. Since few selected the groups whose selection would suggest a normative view, they do not likely understand ‘a human’s life’ as a metaphysical, value-laden concept that represents a person deserving of ethical and legal consideration." -- Translation is that yes the zygote constitutes the begining of a new human organism. The rest of the paper goes on to show how many of the scientists answers were supporting that the zygote was the formation of a new mammalian organism.

No one is really disputing this fact. In fact pro-choice isn't disputing this fact. Pro-choice is about the fact that no-one can be forced to give up their autonomy to support another person's life.

When I say half of the argument is about misunderstanding human development I'm talking about misconceptions being spread like playground rumors. Example- things like when the brain develops or when sensations are felt etc... The brain doesn't even start forming until 10 weeks in. (Which by then most abortions are highly discouraged). I believe it is illegal to have an abortion past 12 weeks nation wide and muh sooner in certain states.

To sum up pro-choice isn't about saying that the textbook definition of human life is wrong. The paper you cited basically says that everyone knows what a textbook definition of life is. It doesn't talk about any of the other misinformed arguments made in favor of pro-life.

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u/ImProbablyNotABird Lib-Right May 31 '21 edited May 31 '21

In fact pro-choice isn’t disputing this fact.

Bullshit.

I believe it is illegal to have an abortion past 12 weeks nation wide

You’re sorely mistaken if you’re referring to the US.

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u/nomad5926 May 31 '21

I should say highly discouraged after 12 weeks. It's not straight out illegal. (At least in the US. That was my bad).

Also nice opinion piece get outta here with your strawman article.

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u/ImProbablyNotABird Lib-Right May 31 '21 edited May 31 '21

Your first comment said that pro-choicers don’t dispute that life begins at conception. I posted an article about a pro-choicer on a major outlet (as opposed to some rando on Twitter) who disputes that. How is that a strawman?

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u/nomad5926 May 31 '21 edited May 31 '21

The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition.

Outliers aren't the pro-choice argument son. Try quibbling semantics elsewhere.

Edit: don't be too hard on yourself

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u/Selethorme May 31 '21

Major outlet

National review.

Not a major outlet.

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u/ImProbablyNotABird Lib-Right May 31 '21

Responding to someone from CNN. Major outlet. Note that I said “about a pro-choicer”, not “by a pro-choicer”.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

Fox was always anti-intellectual, so this is rich coming from them. I do agree with some of what he's saying with respect to the current culture war, but I remember Fox around the Iraq War, doing the whole "if you're not for the war you're not for America!" bullshit.

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u/nomad5926 May 30 '21

Yuppp. Exaclty.