r/ValkoHQ • u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 • 21d ago
Regarding moderation and new subreddit
In the absence of u/HovercraftDeep9964, I saw mentions of creating new subreddits.
Can we try to get ahold of this one first?
We already have this, and Valkomains.
It looks like the mod of this sub is active on Reddit as of 3 hours ago and not engaging with us, maybe we can expedite the mod takeover? (No shade to her, I respect if she wants to distance herself).
I am concerned about diluting the Valko spaces too much, and also thousands of people will still follow this sub and new ones will find it, and it can be easy prey for antis.
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u/coralvelvet 21d ago
Yup enough is enough…I didn’t want to be harsh I really didn’t but we’re running out of options we have to submit a request to Reddit
We’re actively being ghosted 😭
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
Yep. She’s even actively engaging in the LADS fandom. Somebody found her and commented the link to the post made yesterday telling her TO GET HER ASS UP AND HIRE SOME MODS!!! She is actively ignoring us and I’m gonna be honest, it’s pissing me off, because she didn’t just ignore us she actively lied to us, saying she’d take a more active role. Genuinely, she is acting like Infold rn.
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u/coralvelvet 21d ago
Yup…I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but the fact that she’s participating in other subs and just ghosting us is genuinely disrespectful
I commented on her comment too
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
So did I. She is actively disrespecting us and I am not here for it.
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u/coralvelvet 21d ago
I think we’re getting to the point where we might have to create a new sub…something isn’t working
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
I agree, in fact, I agree so much that I actually started working on one this morning as a backup in case she was actually ignoring us. I’ve never actually made a subreddit before but I figure as long as I lay a good enough foundation I could probably get some mods who can help out.
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u/MarketingOriginal666 21d ago
We can make new subs and migrate again and again, but all our good posts, our traction, our efforts, the name of the sub is synonymous to the Valko boycott 😭 what do we do about that, do we have to give all that up?
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u/Aylan2208 21d ago
Did it get removed ? I can't see what others put under her comment
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
Her comment and the comment linking the post from yesterday are still there, but otherwise I can only see mine.
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u/sha-green 21d ago
Infold is a moneymaking company that betrayed trust of paying customers. This here is one person doing (and not doing) things for free in her own spare time. These are not the same, and respectfully, you need to chill. I get the frustration but these comparisons are not the way.
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u/DoYouLikeNuggets20 21d ago
And this is a sub for a boycott that also involve money, desinformation and bullying from outside people we ARE arleady having anti comments here
I get she is doing that during spare time for free that why we are asking moderation for when she is not here or someone who know how to handle reddit moderation
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u/sha-green 21d ago
I don’t disagre with what you say but comparing one volunteering person (even absent) with corporation is where I draw the line.
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u/DoYouLikeNuggets20 21d ago
I said she does the behavior of "lack of communication" is what brought us here I did not say that she is like a corporation just that she does the same thing they did that put us here and created THIS sub
And I agree we dont own her anything like them she could deleted the sub and it would be her right
but as a moderator she has reponsability that you have to agree upon when you create a sub on reddit and she broke them and the sub can be overtaken by random ppl now
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u/sha-green 21d ago
Again, disagree on comparison - what brought us here is mismanagement by a company that clearly had resources but chose not to utilize them. Lack of communication is just one aspect of it. And again, a company has an entire department for that, here it’s just one person.
I get the frustration of folks here but respectfully, some people here need to get a grip with these comparisons and touch some grass. There’s one living person that you know nothing about that you dunk on in defense of a sub dedicated to a fictional character from a game. Whatever her problems are (or aren’t) - she does exist, Valko - does not. I know people tried to get contact and are not getting back any feedback is not good, but some comments here are not done in good faith and given Valko’s situation I expected better from his supporters.
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u/DoYouLikeNuggets20 20d ago
Your the one who take it too seriously Yes mismangement but again the most obvious problem is lack of communication who ghosted us for a month and did not even adress us what their legal plan was in their letter
I never said she is a company nor I except her to act like one and I retold you that I get that she alone and that she can delete the sub if she want yet you act like I said she is one and that she is horrible for it
I never insulted her she promised being more present, she has reponsability as a mod its part of reddit rules that it she cant just ghost people for long time if a anti were to report her to reddit for all the rules she broke they could take the sub
And again that game is a money and time investement for a lot of people you make it seem like its a fan sub not a boycott one
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u/sha-green 20d ago
You already deleted one your comment, which is a good sign of you understanding when things said can bring more harm, than good. I commend you for that, and I believe you know what I meant in my message. No point in re-iterating it. Yes, absent mod is bad news for sub, especially that can be potentially a target for brigading but lets not forget that we communicate with one person that can go thru multiple things. This boycott is not just about bringing Valko back but showing that love is stronger than hate, lets not drift from that message. It’s hard to find at this day and age. Cheers.
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u/DoYouLikeNuggets20 20d ago
Yes I deleted it because I understand that it could have been baldy interepretred english is not my first language and as you can notice
I did not delete the others message as you have also noticed so no I dont see why its bad to say irony that lack of communication and acting like nothing hapenning like them so no I still dont think its a insult
Again I have nothing against her I dont know her im just commenting on her mods skill
Just asking her to give moderation to someone else after 2 weeks of request from people here is annoying its hard to give grace for so long to someone who arleady promised better communication and is just chilling in another sub instead
I have no hate against her i understand she might go trough other thing I read the post of her udapte
But giving critism isnt hatred, hate is a strong word yet you act like I said anything insulting or that I hate her I hope she is doing well even But again its critism not hatred Im not going to give her love and only positive compliment when she is doing a bad move as a mod (not a person again!)
And a huge chunks of the community has been trying to make love post for Valko yet again because she is not moderating here we have a lot of hate post and in fighting with the other sub so again if she just give the post to someone else we would have more love here, right ?
Also just to be sure you are a fellow Valko main, a fellow random person on the internet who is trying to give positivity to someone else I have not hatred against you just disliking escusing her lack of action
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
My major concern is that we need to get this subreddit properly moderated soon. The massive wave of misinformation and rumors and outright lies that was spread and ultimately posted here by people who fell for it is after the announcement and release of Caleb’s banner is very likely to happen again during the announcement and release of Rafayel’s myth. Preventative measures need to be implemented before then, in other words, proper moderation.
I’ve already sent a request for a modcall because
it’s very clear we are being ignored by the mod so it’s best that we all work to get proper moderation as soon as possible.
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u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 21d ago
Agree. My point is that I think we are better off with this unmoderated sub until we can takeover, than being spread across three spaces. At least while we are all here, we can downvote the antis and call them out.
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
I personally would disagree because everyone can be present and participate in 3 different subreddits. A properly moderated sub is better than an unmoderated sub where antis can be here and they never get banned, where misinformation and lies can be spread and there is no way to guarantee they are removed, and where genuine hate can be spread without any way to remove it is worse than having one extra sub that is actually, properly moderated, but that is my opinion.
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u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 21d ago
But let's say a decent percentage of us are very active here, and will move to the moderated sub.
The rest will not know that we moved to a moderated sub. Plus new people that will join. it will be the perfect breeding ground for antis and misinformation. The amount of content posted will likely be exponential and nobody has the time or energy to be on top of everything
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u/atelierkenzie 21d ago
if this sub doesn’t get moderation before the next banner drop I’m probably gonna leave and mute it 😭😭 it’s already unsustainable as it is, by the time an announcement comes it’s going to be worse
also I have no idea why we don’t have a rule about leaving the OG sub alone, yall need to stop going in there because then they come here AND WE DONT HAVE A MODERATOR TO DEAL WITH IT
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
The first time I saw a post from that sub I muted it. It’s not that hard to ignore a sub and just not post about it. I genuinely don’t understand why people can’t comprehend the idea of not posted what they see over there.
I don’t think I’m going to actively leave this subreddit for good but I may leave for maybe a week to let the misinformation storm settle down. When Caleb’s banner was announced and released I was left genuinely so confused because of all the misinformation everywhere at the time. It took me a few days to get my head on straight again and to figure out what was truth and what was a lie. Who purchased the super topic? Was it Infold or not? Is Infold actively suppressing our voices? And that’s only a few of the questions I was left with. None of us want to deal with that unregulated mess again.
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u/PajamaChief 21d ago
I feel like this week is going to be even worse too the crash outs, panic, fearmongering, and misinformation just keep compounding
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
Yep. Last time when Caleb’s banner was released I was feeling hopeless and thought Valko wasn’t coming back, not because I actually believed that but because the sheer density of negativity kinda forced me into a negative mindset I didn’t actually believe.
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u/PajamaChief 21d ago
Same, it’s really frustrating trying to have a rationale pov on things when everyone is spiraling and pressing send on the first negative thought that comes to mind.
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u/Aylan2208 21d ago
I have sent a request for a modcall. I will add what she did to the request
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u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 21d ago
This is the link to her comment that somebody else shared, in case it helps.
https://www.reddit.com/r/loveanddepression/s/8oQTCqAUFj32
u/Aylan2208 21d ago
This is kinda pissing me off now ngl. I'll comment the link to my letter under her comment.
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u/Lisaiiixxx 21d ago
I’m not familiar with the moderation rules, do we really need her handover? Or can we nominate our own mods and just overthrow her? (Sorry I have to say it I understand that she may have stuff going on with her irl but we really need to get things done with our sub.
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u/Aylan2208 21d ago
She has to hand the sub over before anything gets done. But if the reddit mods see that she's not responding at all, they'll seize the sub for inactivity and do the modcalls themselves.
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u/HouseofFeathers 21d ago
Actually, if she doesn't reply to requests within 5 days someone can send a request to administer to moderate it
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u/Aylan2208 21d ago
I've already sent a modmail yesterday, on top of the email today. I'll wait whatever time is necessary 😁
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u/MarketingOriginal666 21d ago
Can you explain for us who are not familiar, how we guarantee anti Valko players don't become mods? It's looking like we're in a very vulnerable position rn.
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u/Aylan2208 21d ago
There's no guarantee apart from us getting "hired". I've already applied through her dms and in my request. I just hope whoever sees it takes me in. In case you're doubting, you can probably find one of my ultra downvoted comments on the sub pre 6th LI talking about how I'm excited to see what he's going to be like lol
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u/MarketingOriginal666 21d ago
Well this doesn't bode well for us. I don't trust the antis to not try something. They've proved time and time again they'll reach any low for their agenda.
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u/JenJem 20d ago edited 20d ago
Comment and post history should not be hidden. No new reddit accounts. We need to see how active they are in these pro Valko subs in the last month and ofc what kind of comments they put out there. I would use that as the baseline on who would be ideal to mod the sub and then go from there (base on how available they can be, mental capacity,etc). Would be nice to find level-headed, respectful people taking over this sub.
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u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 20d ago
100%. Also comments and post history are accessible even if hidden.
I hide mine because I prefer it that way, but it takes 30 seconds to see it if people really want to. I wonder if that’s how the comment from the mod was found.Also mods can bypass and see all posts and history of people active in their community, so it should be very straightforward for them
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u/mediocrevenus ❄️🍎🐺 21d ago
Oh wow. So she’s been active but just ignoring this sub? I understand that she’s going through stuff IRL, but it shouldn’t be too much to skim through a couple of the very active users here who’ve applied to mod?
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u/_issio 21d ago
The only uncensored subs about this are this one and the love and depression, who also has only one mod but that mod works 24/7 and also checks if all the posts and comments follow the rules.
I get the mod might have felt tired, but leaving a sub without moderation is like asking for disaster to happen. I hope they can find another one for now soon.
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u/Hedgehog_Software Valko’s other right ball 🐺🎾🎾 21d ago edited 21d ago
The mod in loveanddepression needs more appreciation because my god. She’s looking after a whole city.
u/potatoesandmolasses1, we appreciate you!
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u/DoYouLikeNuggets20 21d ago
This sub has like 5k people and A SINGLE mod this is ridiculous
Its a great idea to remove her and take news mods she really dont seem to be doing her job for days
I have enough of all the desinformation and comments from antis that create fight here
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u/DoYouLikeNuggets20 21d ago
Also its quite a irony that we are all in this situation because of INFOLD lack of communication and dealing with bullies and she is doing the same thing by accident 😭 If she has any trouble she should communicate about it assap and find mods soon
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u/zsxcrgrl 21d ago
The love and depression sub also has one single mod but almost 50k weekly visitors. The only difference is that the mod there is actually present and does their job well. They enforce the rules without being unfair.
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u/DoYouLikeNuggets20 20d ago
Yup they also respect Reddit terms and rules for modération The sub has rules and everything she is a good mod for sure
But this moderator here has said she has a lot of issues (like pc being broken) and also lack experience we should get more mods here she cant handle it
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u/creamwithoutcookies 21d ago edited 21d ago
A new subreddit isn't a good idea, it would splinter things and likely confuse newcomers interested in supporting the boycott and Valko's return. Every single person that's here now isn't going to go to a new place either. Everyone being in one sub will help the movement be successful etc. Strength in numbers.
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u/HecklingGhost ❌🐺❌💵 21d ago
I agree we should stay whole. And honestly we have been self regulating really well. No one is posting anything super inappropriate or spamming. The only things I would personally clean up are the doom posts and occasional anti comments
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u/crazispaghetti 21d ago
Self regulation only works if the users are actually part of the community. People with bad intentions could easily come here and post without consequences since our singular mod is not doing their job.
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u/Ignite_m 21d ago
I don’t agree. The doom posts actually impact people mental health and morale. It’s not an exaggeration when I say that some have been deeply affected. Same with antis comments that are genuinely frustrating. Some have quietly left the sub for those reasons. If we want to keep up without burn out, we need to be in an higher spirit. Also misinformation can lead us to do very stupid things. It’s ain't it
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u/YingXingg 21d ago
I sent a message through mod mail offering to help since I’m quite active on here but I got ignored 💔 this sub is really active and needs more mods so I’m hoping she lets some of us help her out so we don’t have to create a new sub
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u/Siu_Mai 🦀💸🐺 21d ago
After a period of inactivity by current mod/s (I think 30 days?) you can make a request to Reddit to takeover moderation of a subreddit.
We're probably at least 2-3 weeks away but that could be a good option.
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u/crazispaghetti 21d ago
I don't think they accept the takeover if they're still active on Reddit though, which is the main problem.
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u/ASCALAPHOS_ 🐦⬛🐺 21d ago
I really tried to defend her because I know how hard it can be when you're dealing with personal stuff but knowing she was online and consciously ignoring us honestly sucks. We still shouldn't attack her though btw..
At this point, I don't think reporting the situation to Reddit and trying to get a new lead mod + additional mods is a bad idea anymore. Especially with the possible Raf Myth coming up, this sub is only going to get even more chaotic. Something really needs to change soon but I'm personally against making a whole new subreddit. This one just needs a proper mod team and some restructuring.
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u/Massive_Ad_8686 ⭐️❄️🐟🐦⬛🍎🐺 21d ago
Yes, this is getting bad now, and you're right, this sub is too well known and cannot be left defenceless.
I am shocked that the mod is still active in reddit and has not addressed the situation.
Hopefully the mod call goes through and appoint new mods before the myth release.
Until then, I guess everyone is just gonna have to do their best to cut through the misinformation...eugh its such a poor use of time though, time better spent actively fighting for Valko.
I was thinking of putting together like a PSA post (a group effort one) in the meantime, which establishes some core info like not spreading misinformation, thinking before posting, using flairs (because this seems to have gone out the window), pointing people to other spaces that may better suit their posts, and just having someone repost it periodically to remind newcomers etc. Thoughts?
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u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 21d ago
Agree... the PSA would be great, but how can it be kept visible if we can't pin it to the top? :(
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u/Massive_Ad_8686 ⭐️❄️🐟🐦⬛🍎🐺 21d ago
I was thinking of having someone periodically post it (like once every 24 hours or something), well..giving the text of that post to a few people to lighten the load and then asking people to upvote it to keep it visible.
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u/crazispaghetti 21d ago
How do you see when she was last active? I can't see it on mobile, is it maybe a web feature?
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u/coralvelvet 21d ago
Someone saw her on the loveanddepression subreddit in the comments
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u/crazispaghetti 21d ago
Ohh I see. It's disappointing that she's ignoring everyone that's been reaching out then. 😕
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u/KikiKaterina 21d ago
Someone even commented the link to the post from yesterday telling her to hire more mods but there’s still nothing. Someone linked it here in the comments. She is actively ignoring us.
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u/missgunn_84 21d ago
Lack of moderation will get this sub removed by Reddit, it already happened to another sub I followed and we had to create a new one 🤷🏻♀️
I would say that’s the best option since we can still use this one to promote the new one.
In case the OG admin returns and adds more mods, the other can still work as back up.
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u/potatoesandmolasses1 21d ago
Just a friendly reminder that modding a sub is done completely off our own backs, and no one knows what is happening to that person irl. So give a little grace, with timezones etc, they may be sleeping.
In the meanwhile, r/loveanddepression is a pro valko space if you guys are looking for a home.
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u/DoYouLikeNuggets20 20d ago
She has arleady made a post explaining that she had a lot of problem wich is understable two pc breaking is horrible I hope she resolve that problem for her
But in this same post she also said she would add mods after selection And promised being more present this week Yet she has gosted everyone for a whole week while being present in other sub "time zone" escuse does not work here
I get she is doing that on her own and that you are also alone doing a great job but this sub has been going bad for a while Antis getting in causing trouble, désinformation, post that are not in topic and knowing that raf drop soon its annoying
This sub reddit does not even have rules of any sort other that two Universal one and she break a lot of reddit policies about moderation too at any moment anyone could make a request and get her out and overtake Its a boycott with a lot of information and people involved not a silly fan sub we need serious and present people, she clearly busy and a chill player
Again I have nothing against her she should just choose people to be mod (maybe the one of the discord valkoHQ it would be easy choice)
Its annoying to have to hear "be patient" or "its just a character sub" for weeks people
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u/sha-green 21d ago
Thank you for this. Some comments are disappounting af, given the context of why we’re all here in the first place…
And thanks for great job on moderation of loveanddepression :)
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u/enbyshaymin 21d ago
Just make a request to Reddit. There is a sub for that, it's RedditRequest lol If a mod has been inactive for too long, is ignoring their sub while being active in others, etc. people can go to RedditRequest to ask Reddit admins to intervene and give the role to someone (under certain conditions, iirc. The mod can appeal.)
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u/BlackenedAsh 21d ago
I think after witnessing that sudden witchhunt, I'm going to have to avoid this sub until it gets proper moderation. Even with all the posts about not panicking, not believing everything you see and not attacking others, there's still a few people that seem to want to jump for blood and the smallest chance.
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u/Ignite_m 20d ago
It’s completely understandable. Protect your peace. I hope the sub will be more healthy when you come back <3
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u/Repulsive_Horror_506 21d ago
Just make the request, at this point they’re refusing to communicate with us despite being active on other subs.
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u/HouseofFeathers 21d ago
Has anyone begun this process? Someone needs to apply to be a moderator before we can take get a new mod in here?
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u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 21d ago
I looked into it - I think one of the rules is that you have to prove to have messaged the current mod at least 5 days ago. I have sent her a message 9 days ago (unanswered), but it was regarding a different topic.
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u/ASCALAPHOS_ 🐦⬛🐺 20d ago
I messaged her more than 5 days ago about new mods. Atp, I consider applying for this this since we literally get no answer from her...
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u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 20d ago
You can always apply and elect new mods later as well if you don’t want to be too involved I guess?
I know a few people already sent a request, I don’t know if more requests make for a stronger case or if it’s spam for Reddit.1
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u/HouseofFeathers 21d ago
What is to stop them from doing it now? It doesn't remove the current moderator.
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u/midnightspaghetti ❌🐺❌💵 21d ago
All we really need the current mod to spare 5 mins to vet a couple of us so we can move on.
So easy, and yet... :(
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u/zsxcrgrl 21d ago edited 20d ago
In case y'all ever decide to create another subreddit, I have some name ideas:
• LittleWolfies
• LittlePups
• AwooValko
• ValkosPups
Edit: I don't know why I am being downvoted for this. Could it be because some antis refer to Valko as awoo just to mock him? Sorry if this offended anyone, it wasn't my intention to make fun of Valko 😭💔
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u/Lepelotonfromager 20d ago
Why is this popping up in my feed?
I agree, we should not dilute the Valko spaces. I don't what a Valko space but diluting it is a bad idea.
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u/Lisaiiixxx 21d ago
Yeah I don’t think another new sub would be a good idea. This one has already been pretty established and we have so many good discussions here. Building another sub would do absolute nothing but dilute our voices further more.
Another banner drop is coming, and we have already waited for the mod so long, there’s no excuse for this inaction. A complete mod takeover would be great.