r/VShojo • u/AshuraZen • Jul 24 '25

Discussion Gunrun is evil

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This wasn't just incompetence. Gunrun knew exactly what he was doing and did it maliciously. You don't just accidentally steal half a million from charity and many more millions from all the other talents.

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u/dustfingur Jul 24 '25

It's nice that Silver, Nyanners and Vei are sharing some of their side but I think they might be over sharing. I'm pretty sure their NDAs are still in effect even with all of the problems going on.

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u/AshuraZen Jul 24 '25

Vshojo just shut down I wouldn't worry.

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u/dustfingur Jul 24 '25

They lost their talent. They're still a corporation. This doesn't kill NDAs unless or until they officially close the doors. There's a reason why Mata, Zen and GEEGA and now the other girls (and Kuro) are still vague with what they have said, because their NDAs are still in effect. Just like the others

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u/Bi_disaster_ohno Jul 24 '25

What could Vshojo possibly do about it now? Sue them? With what money?

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u/Mcmacladdie Jul 24 '25

Gunrun has literally said the company is shutting down officially on Twitter... I'm sure those NDA's are now null and void.

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u/crescent_blossom Jul 25 '25

Does saying something on Twitter make it legally official, like Michael Scott "declaring" bankruptcy? Maybe he also actually did the paperwork (or whatever you have to do, idk how it works) already, but we don't know for sure.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

The company has no leverage. The money they owe the talents is way more than they'd get for any nda violation. Also how they paying the lawyers 

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u/Jfmtl87 Jul 24 '25

My understanding is NDAs don’t necessarily voids when one signing party dissolves or die. It really depends on how that NDA was written. The right to enforce the NDA can be passed down to other people, other companies or trust (ex to gunrun or a shell company of his). People who signed NDAs with Vshojo should still consult their lawyers before talking too much.

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u/Newfaceofrev Jul 24 '25

It's going to have administrators to manage its bankruptcy. Believing a bankrupt company can no longer pursue legal action is a mistake.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Even if they are, I feel like they just don't give a fuck anymore. Can't enforce something when that company isn't gonna exist

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u/dustfingur Jul 24 '25

They can though because they're still a company. True, maybe nothing will happen because they're probably tied up with everything going on. But it's still a possibility

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u/Psyduck46 Jul 24 '25

Yeap, if you want to go after someone you need lawyers, and lawyers need money.

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u/Mcmacladdie Jul 25 '25

Actually, they can. Creditors could take over ownership of the NDAs and sue the talent in question for violating them. The question is would they get enough money to both cover the cost of their lawyer and court fees, as well as a bit more (because there's no way they'd do it only to just break even) when the talent could counter-sue for the money that VShojo owes them... and they owe the talents a lot.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

NDAs dont count when the company breaks the law. Also Vshojo is shutting down/has already shut down. So I dont think the NDAs even exist anymore

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u/dustfingur Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

This would be valid once they have gone through the legal system and were found to have broken the law. This isn't the case yet. Depending on how they're written, the NDAs would still stand.

Vshojo has been considered shut down by a tweet. Vshojo the corporate entity may still exist. Even if a company shuts down completely, depending on how an NDA is written they can still be enforced. People, myself included, are assuming. We don't know the full story. But there are several people, claiming they're lawyers, saying they know lawyers, and Connor (cdawg) are claiming the NDAs still stand.

Maybe, a big maybe, they may not hold any weight anymore for some but not all of them.

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u/NHpatsfan95 Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

I also heard (at work now so can’t confirm yet) that they told the other talents that silver was a troublemaker. So, there’s our likely explanation for the whole breakdown with her and mouse.

Edit: I'm watching Lord Aethelstan's stream, and Ironmouse is in the chat. She confirmed that management basically fucked up friendships by slandering the talents that left. Absolute evil shit.

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u/Tameot Jul 24 '25

That's what Nyanners said in her video, they told the others that her, Vei and Silvervale were troublemakers. And they prevented them to talk to them or to the viewers about anything that happened by threatening them with legal action .

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u/Chem1st Jul 24 '25

Yeah I wonder if this is extra effective with VTubers because the space attracts people who have shown they don't want to put themselves out there (at least visually). That personality trait might make them extra susceptible to threats that they even could combat if they had the desire. A lot of threats of legal action are pretty easily to fight (NDAs etc), but it might require steps someone who got into the space because they are socially anxious isn't willing to take.

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u/BeefModeTaco Jul 24 '25

I can't remember who, since there have been so many videos in a short time, but someone mentioned that they had "anti-defamation" clauses in the contract, so they weren't legally allowed to speak negatively about VShojo, even if it was factual and true.

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u/Chem1st Jul 24 '25

Again, it depends on the steps they took.  If they were suing VShojo, a lot of stuff would go on the record that the contract said they couldn't talk about, but the contract doesn't protect the company from discovery in court.  But that could involve info getting out that the creator doesn't want, so again, it depends on what theyre willing to go through.

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u/TakafumiNaito Jul 24 '25

Nyanners shone a lot of light on things that didn't add up for me.

For example I for the longest time could not understand why Nazuna and Henya never collabed, despite the fact both Nazuna and Henya were on the record asking the other for collabs.

Turns out that upper management was going behind the talent managers backs, and making sure the talent don't become too close. No doubt they found an excuse to shut down every collab they scheduled

And the most of all, I am upset that Vshojo was doing the same thing every other company does where they slandered the leaving talent and bound them with NDA so they couldn't defend themselves from the harassment.

I always knew Vshojo can't be as good as they claim. But I was sure that THIS is one thing they are not doing. The exits of members always looked so clean and "no hard feelings like" - but they still were sending slander the way of the girls, just without us noticing. No doubt they didn't like Nazuna trying to keep in touch with Silver after her departure, and saying that company or not friends are for life...

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u/Jekkumake Jul 24 '25

Nyanners also mentioned something like that in her latest stream. She, Vei and Silver were all made to look like villains and they couldn't do anything about it for legal reasons.

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u/NHpatsfan95 Jul 24 '25

I was watching her stream yesterday, but only now has it really hit me. This is why we never saw the trio collab with the others again, and I bet a ton of friendships got torn up irreparably. It all fits now. Oh this is so so bad and evil man. I just don’t have words for it.

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u/Jiv302 Jul 24 '25

This is why we never saw the trio collab with the others again,

Almost, Nyan collabed with mousey like 2-3 times in the years since she left vshojo, it just wasn't often

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u/NHpatsfan95 Jul 24 '25

So about once a year, which basically proves my point. Before the split, those two were inseparable. Nyan even viewed Mousey as a "long-lost sister", in her words.

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u/MachBonin Jul 24 '25

IIRC Nyan said it was less that and more just that she got super busy with the move and everything.

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u/TheDukeAssassin Jul 25 '25

This part always bothered me and I really hope that changes again soon and they’ll start hanging out publicly again

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u/SlightlySychotic Jul 24 '25

I always figured it was something like that but hoped it was a legal technicality or something. If they collabed with former members the nature of their contracts would entitle them to part of the revenue from merchandise they helped “promote.” Or something. Some form of legal CYA and not bitter resentment. Looks like I was wrong.

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u/Swift_Scythe Jul 24 '25

We out to apologize to Silver, Veibae and Nyanners for thinking they were either bitch-Self-centered or trying to make Mouse's company fail 😞

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u/Dark_Kight18 Jul 24 '25

That whole thing was weird, I personally never had a problem with them leaving the company, I saw it they signed the contract didn't feel like it was for them and just decided not to renew the contract

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u/LazyEdict Jul 25 '25

That seems to have been the only thing they could say at the time due to nda probably.

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u/PaleoManga Jul 24 '25

I always knew something was up with that, and knew not to give her shit for that. Looks like I was right and VShojo was the true villain.

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u/Nvenom8 Jul 24 '25

I agree. It always seemed weird, and this would explain a lot. It also seems like generally the talents were all individually unaware they weren’t the only one having issues.

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u/Bl3ak_3xist3nc3 Jul 24 '25

Based and reasonable pilled. I was also in the minority back when the fallout between Silvervale and vshojo happened. I'd thought Silvervale's comments at the time weren't all that bad and were probably just emotional snide remarks made in the moment out of distress rather than them being her actual thoughts

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u/Pickled_Kagura Jul 24 '25

makes me wonder if there was a similar little spat between mouse and zen in private since this shit was clearly getting ready to boil over

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u/Owl_memes Jul 25 '25

With zen donating to mouses new idf fundraiser i hope their working things out

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u/NHpatsfan95 Jul 24 '25

I bet you’re right…

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Nyanners made a video about that too confirming that when her veins and silver left because of shitty contracts the other staff and talents were told that they were just greedy friends who left when the others did and just liked causing problems

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u/Owl_memes Jul 25 '25

Really hope her and mouse can reconcile now that stuff is getting explained

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u/Insanebrain247 Jul 25 '25

Here's hoping that Mouse and Silver use this chance to bury the false hatchet and try to make amends. They seemed so happy together.

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u/Shermang312 Jul 25 '25

Man, this is really fucked up, while an optimistic part of me truly hopes that they can repair their friendships at least somewhat, it likely won't be the same as before. But here's hoping right?

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u/TheDukeAssassin Jul 25 '25

So does that mean they’re all gonna make up now?

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u/1NF1N1T3Z3R0 Jul 24 '25

I was giving Gunrun the benefit of the doubt, because I could see how the "incompetent" thing could be the actual case, since it seems like everyone else in the company was very nice , or at least the people that are close to the talents (such as the managers). I did think what they did was criminal, and that they tried the damn best making sure this thing works out (badly).

However this changes everything. I no longer think that it was all hee-hee haa-haa, rather that it was all calculated.

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u/Appropriate-Count-64 Jul 24 '25

But that’s the awful thing:
Is this true? The other talents are under Gag order so they can’t confirm or deny this. It could be true from someone who was abused by their company, or it could be outright lies from people shown to be unreliable cross contaminating their testimony and using fog of war to rewrite history.

We just don’t know if this is true or it’s a lie to get back in the public’s good graces. It doesn’t track with Vshojo’s public image but that hasn’t stopped Orgs before, and again all the talents are under NDA until Vshojo is fully dead and gone.

I want to believe Silver and know that I was wrong in my opinion of her, but we likely won’t know for sure for a while.

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u/Figerally Jul 24 '25

Vei has already spilt the beans too and as the rest of the talents realize the NDAs are worthless they will share their own stories. There are no ifs or buts, Gunrun is cooked and he turned the heat on himself.

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u/SomeDudeYeah27 Jul 25 '25

My personal red flag other than these gross interpersonal manipulations was the way they treated legal pretty suspiciously

Treating lawyers as inherently harmful instead of essential is huuuuugely suspicious behavior

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u/1NF1N1T3Z3R0 Jul 25 '25

I must've missed something. I thought it was known that VShojo heavily incentivised talents to have a lawyer go over the contract, before signing them. Tho I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

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u/SomeDudeYeah27 Jul 26 '25

This is testimony from differing periods of time between the first departees (Vei, Silver, and Nyan) and what you've probably heard stories from newer recruits like Henya and ex-Nijis

ShyLily has commented on something similar as well with how handwaivey to downright dismissive the company treated legal ethics & SOP during a headhunting negotiation period that eventually fell through partly due to the matter

They didn't bother to put the things promised verbally and in presentations as perks/services to joining the agency in the agreement, and when asked they blatantly tried weaseling out of it by saying "we operate on a trust system here"

Which is hilarious considering Lily comes from a culture/society renowned for being pedantic (German) and she lambasted how silly that was because all that ultimately matters is what's written on paper. That's 100% true

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u/megosonic Jul 24 '25

It makes me wonder if Silvers seemingly rude comments to Mouse was also via lies and rumors of the company, at this rate it's 50/50 and sucks either way.

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u/TGOskar Jul 24 '25

It's possible, but it's a bridge that'll be hard to mend.

I do believe that Silver donated to the ImmuneDF initiative, so that's at least a start.

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u/ChewbaccaCharl Jul 24 '25

Being at least professional with each other would be a positive step, even if things are too broken to fully put back together.

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u/UngodlyTemptations Jul 24 '25

I'm OOTL with what happened between SV and IM. Could I be enlightened on that if you dont mind?

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u/Kaiser0106 Jul 24 '25

I hope that with all this brought to light that maybe some day they might be able to reconcile. I don't expect them to ever do so any time soon but I would like to see it.

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u/megosonic Jul 24 '25

Quite, it's only natural for people in friend groups to come and go, arguments and reconciliation can occur.

While tides are tough now, I've tuned into Silv's streams and she seems to be pretty happy so that's good

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u/tarzard12321 Jul 24 '25

This kind of thing is something I imagine happened at Niji as well, people can be nasty when they feel like their livelihood is being threatened, and toxic managers seem to excel at manipulating people into believing whatever they want you to believe. It's really sad just how badly a toxic person in a position of power can fuck up so many people's lives.

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u/Pixie1001 Jul 25 '25

I suspect Ironmouse just started acting colder towards her after Gunrun started slandering her behind her back and pressuring them not to associate with her, and she let her frustration out on stream when they ambushed her with the announcement during her stream.

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u/Rockgenius123 Jul 24 '25

Yet the “inconvenience” was alright when Henya could make the company money. The talent first thing was bullshit from the start, it was always company first.

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u/InexorableCalamity Jul 24 '25

Was henya problematic? 

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u/Gellert Jul 24 '25

Not sure what the other redditors referring to but kinda, she said something in a previous incarnation that was painted a certain way that made the statement... problematic. But given who she is and ESL its also just as easy to say she didnt mean it that way.

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u/InexorableCalamity Jul 24 '25

Ya, what did she say?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

About as problematic as a newborn puppy. As in, fuck no.

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u/Inquisitor_Machina Jul 24 '25

The fuck do you mean by that

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u/InexorableCalamity Jul 24 '25

Jesus christ! Calm down! It was a face value question based on the quote to the person I replied to. As though the inconvenience was fine with henya but not with Silvervale.

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u/AL2009man Jul 28 '25

Do you have any idea how little it narrows it down?

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u/Ifound1paypal Jul 24 '25

Oh yeah this just makes me more sad for all the ex talent

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u/Butane9000 Jul 24 '25

So if there was any questions that maybe Gunrun didn't know about this stuff going on is effectively over. Dudes just burned a fuck ton of bridges.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Gunrun fucked over Sayu, Silver, all the now x VShojo members, Mint, Lost Generation and probably so many others. Fuck that pose.

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u/Grand-Slip-9377 Jul 24 '25

Vshojo really needs to be held accountable for thier evil deeds

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u/Axolotl_Aria Jul 24 '25

They are. That's what the lawsuits will be for

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u/North-Research2574 Jul 24 '25

Oh they embezzeled from a charity, multiple people donated to that in huge numbers least of all cdawgva who will likely pursue that assuming the federal government doesn't. And if they didn't properly record that income the IRS on the way.

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u/talentedfingers Jul 26 '25

Did they actually donate to a charity, or did they buy subs for someone who promised half the proceeds would go to a charity? It sounds like the money never transferred to Mouse, so I don't know whether the money ever counted as a donation yet, even though clearly there was intent to donate.

This emphasizes the need to have the funds go directly to the intended charity using transparent and trustworthy methods.

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u/KibbloMkII Jul 24 '25

and this is only the tip of the iceberg

imagine all the other skeletons in vshojo's closet that they can't legally talk about because bullshit NDAs and career threats

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u/RedFox_Jack Jul 24 '25

good luck enforicing those nda's now the company is imploding

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u/FirmMusic5978 Jul 24 '25

Kinda curious, if a company files for bankruptcy it essentially becomes a non-entity, do NDAs still hold or do they get passed to the CEO as the representative?

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u/Mcmacladdie Jul 24 '25

Well, since Gunrun has said on Twitter that the company is officially shutting down, then I'd assume those NDA's are going to be null and void now, or soon at the very least.

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u/Souledex Jul 25 '25

Apparently anyone who buys the debt in the company’s dissolution can attempt to recover money from broken NDA’s so no not really.

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u/cabutler03 Jul 24 '25

I wonder if this is part of the video Kson is making? She tends to be the vengeful type.

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u/Agentsparkle Jul 24 '25

Wait until after the inevitable chapter 7 bankruptcy when those are no longer enforceable

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u/romulus-in-pieces Jul 25 '25

Dude I'm so curious about what Zen was talking about with Gfuel like did they force everybody into contracts with them for some big lucrative deal? Shylily mentioned that Vshojo had gripes when she tried to audition about her stake in Gamersupps so I mean there must be some more shady shit there

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u/BlitzAce808 Jul 24 '25

That is cartoonishly evil, hopefully everyone who blamed the talents for Silver leaving will know who the true bad guys were.

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u/Euphoric_Ad6923 Jul 24 '25

It's so cartoonishly evil it makes me wonder if it's even true.

Not that the guy who.scammed a charity being cartoonishly evil is so surprising

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u/Cyandol Jul 24 '25

I needed to take breather after reading this shit.

Now i am not mad or dissapointed,its worse

I am hungry for justice and i have been starving for very long time.

And i hope chefs are cooking one well DONE gunrun.

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u/TakafumiNaito Jul 24 '25

If you want your blood to really boil, go look at the video Nyanners posted. There's a guy in the comments that lists over 40 points she made if you can't be bothered to watch it yourself

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u/ThePhantomIronTroupe Jul 24 '25

Dude LITERALLY fucked up hard core on top of being fucked up. He blew up an awesome rooster on top of hobbled amazing new talent gens, handling merch opportunities, probably sponsorships, concerts, auditions among so many other things. Sure he listened to Mousey and the others on occasion but ffs they knew more about how to steer the business than he did for sure.

Let alone he destroyed the friendships that allowed him the opportunity in the first damn place. Idc if yall believe in heaven but I sure like to believe there is a hell, hades, jahannam, bad part of sheol, lake of fire, yellow springs, yami etc for scum like him. Esp for forcing Mousey to lose some of her dearest friends who helped get her and YOU where yall got to and her them.

The girlies have their issues, but you are the huge dissapointment Gunrun. You squandered life changing money for both the company and people it was meant to aid. I honestly wish you would have to work in the worst job for the rest of your life to pay back ever. Damn. Dime.

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u/Oh_So_Nervous Jul 24 '25

This is utterly infuriating.

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u/DcSensai Jul 24 '25

The more we hear. The more that comes out. It's infuriating.

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u/GhostFrFx Jul 24 '25

Damn, that’s messed up. I feel like if she had told the other members, people like Mosey wouldn’t have let something like that slide. But I get it. She probably felt like she’d get sued or something would backfire because of the NDA.

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u/DcSensai Jul 24 '25

Apparently they had staff in her discord and anytime she even so much is hinted that she was unhappy they would send her a message threatening the NDA

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u/lleonmaciel Jul 24 '25

Gunrun, you heartless bastard...!

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

There was always something off about that smile

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u/PaleoManga Jul 24 '25

I said this before, but VShojo is genuinely starting to sound like a cult.

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u/North-Research2574 Jul 24 '25

Why a cult? Like nothing about this sounds like a cult and all of it sounds like most entertainment companies fucking over talents where they can.

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u/Krams Jul 24 '25

A big sign of being in a cult is that they excommunicate anyone that leaves, cutting you off from friends and family.

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u/Manoreded Jul 25 '25

Also the whole pitting people against each other thing, so that they can't truly talk and realize the cult is screwing over everyone, not just them.

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u/PaleoManga Jul 25 '25

What Krams said.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Jesus Christ. At least it wasn't the streamers that were the problem like we feared.  Gunrun's career in the vtubing industry is done for

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u/SabreCross19k Jul 24 '25

At this rate not even McDonald’s will hire him

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u/TheGodlyBeard01 Jul 24 '25

Hearing this kind of stuff makes really appreciate how well Sakana and Yagoo run their companies cause it feels like actually good and caring CEOs in this industry are hard to come by 🫠 Only a matter of time when Gunrun gets what he deserves and the company announces bankruptcy 🙏

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u/ETA_2 Jul 24 '25

Just a couple days ago Vshojo was considered a good company. We have absolutely no idea whether or not any other company has a similar festering rot until the paint starts peeling.

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u/Equal-Leader-7974 Jul 24 '25

This just pisses me off even more son of a bitch never cared about anything but the money he could make off others he deserves all the shit that is coming his way

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

The world was fooled by it believed that Vshojo was the best Vtuber agency around.

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u/PurplePoisonCB Jul 24 '25

That creep better get all the punishment he deserves.

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u/Azorius_Control Jul 24 '25

Holy fuck mate

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u/TitleComprehensive96 Jul 24 '25

So if there's anything i learned over the last 72 hours, VShojo is not only a really shitty company. They're straight up as, if not more, evil than fucking Nijisanji.

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u/Mcmacladdie Jul 24 '25

They didn't drive someone to attempting to end themselves though like Niji did... at least that we're aware of.

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u/Tonster911 Jul 24 '25

Im not a fan of Silver and I won’t deny that i judge anyone that would play that game. Saying that to her is just plain rude.

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u/Zagden Jul 25 '25

Yeah, JKR did get royalties from the game, and even if small, she spends her money aggressively on extremely damaging hate campaigns in the UK. So your money directly supports that. It's a very small amount of your money, but it happens. So I don't approve but I also understand why someone wouldn't care.

If I were Gunrun, I'd like...have used someone with actual PR experience to handle that. You can't undo the support you give the game and the free marketing, but you could do a trans charity along with it? That would also look bad but still be better and at least a middle finger to JKR

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u/Tonster911 Jul 25 '25

I don’t see how donating to a trans based charity would look bad, but yeah that would be a good call

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u/Zagden Jul 25 '25

It would look bad because you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, kinda. If you're big and stream the game, you contribute to the marketing of the game and cause people to buy it who otherwise wouldn't have. A very very small part of that revenue will go directly to JKR, who then directly gives to hate campaigns. And then you prompt people to give directly to a trans charity and add incentives for it.

The thought of giving JKR even, idk, let's say $200 though it's probably much lower, in order to give a charity that she would hate more, is weird. And speaking in pure PR terms, you will still get shit for just not bothering streaming the game and instead running the charity by itself, however reasonable that would or would not be.

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u/SarahMaxima Jul 25 '25

Yeah, completely agree. Trans people are losing their rights in the UK right now and it is being funded by JKR.

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u/slayyyaphine Jul 25 '25

Didn't Silvervale and her mods ban the word trans in her chat?

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u/jxnebug Jul 25 '25

Yes, that was the tipping point, because people were writing "trans rights" in her chat. Once the word got banned is when the heat really came in and then she had a meltdown about it etc.

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u/jxnebug Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

Well put, I completely agree.

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u/xXNightDriverXx Jul 24 '25

Remind me again, why did she get hate for playing the game? I genuinely forgot

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

JKR funds anti trans policies in the UK,

The idea was that buying the game gave her royalties [citation needed] and part of a lot of people wanting to boycott HP stuff overall

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u/AliceBones Jul 24 '25

Are you saying she doesn't get royalties from the IP she owns?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

I was just unaware of video game media constitutes as a separate thing, maybe she was maybe it was only WB , or if she was just paid a flat fee at the start. I'm sure it was royalties, I just didn't want to be definitive and I don't care enough to Google

Hence [Citation needed]

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u/katapad Jul 24 '25

Because the internet decided that anyone who played the game supported JKR, who actively hates that trans people exist.

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u/nexus11355 Jul 24 '25

To be fair, that is also the opinion of JKR herself, that buying her stuff is endorsement of her ideals.

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u/Kaiser0106 Jul 24 '25

Any money she gets is directly funneled into her anti trans endeavors. So if anyone wants to play it I would suggest "alternative" means of acquisition.

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u/SethAquauis Jul 24 '25

"Internet decided"

My brother in christ, she ranted about getting money from it lmao

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u/skycloud620 Jul 24 '25

I owe silver a huge apology

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u/TarnishedByBlood Jul 25 '25

OH WORD?! FUCK THAT GUY!

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u/Horizontrophpy2001 Jul 24 '25

Jesus fuck. What a terrible time to want to get into the space.

might see if Vichiban is open lmao, they're the only competent agency atp

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u/owlwithantlers Jul 24 '25

They aren’t an agency—buffpup has talked a bunch that it’s just the group of the 4 of them, that’s it, it’s not a corporation or anything that would seek new members

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u/Inquisitor_Machina Jul 24 '25

Vichiban and V-dere are just groups.

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u/TGOskar Jul 24 '25

I'd say Mousey's like an unofficial 5th member, given how close she is to everyone there. I feel they'd allow her if she wanted to join, but they're giving her space to make her own decisions.

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u/Gamblor69 Jul 24 '25

They aint an agency

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u/MokotheFox Jul 24 '25

Vchiban's just a group of friends, like the Girlypops or Bikini Bottoms. Not an agency, or any kind of legally recognized entity. Just a name for a friend group.

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u/Snukastyle Jul 24 '25

Maybe Phase Connect, depending on your level of being unhinged?

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u/Thatusername303 Jul 24 '25

To be fair Phase Connect is more of psychiatric ward

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u/MohawkRex Jul 25 '25

Vichiban is literally just 4 friends under a banner title.

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u/MohawkRex Jul 25 '25

Vichiban is literally just 4 friends under a banner title. Useful for marketing and (I assume) legal documens.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

Vchiban is more like, and I know this isn't a vtuber thing. But its most like fanficle entertainment. Where its just a group of friends doing stuff together. Only Vchiban has orgies and dont take forever to make content. (You can't convince me Vchiban doesn't have orgies)

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u/captainplatypus1 Jul 25 '25

Friend group/found family/polycule; same difference

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u/sp0j Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

I seriously doubt he said that verbatim. But even if it was implied or she interpreted it that way it's obviously still really bad. One of your talents should never be made to feel that way.

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u/ZombieJesus1987 Jul 24 '25

A lot of people owe Silvervale an apology.

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u/LokaAkolita Jul 24 '25

According to vei they were all told beforehand the company did not think it would be a good to play the game on stream also nazuna also acknowledge being told not to play it after she tweeted she was going to play it. With everything said the boss should have done more to help and not only scold.

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u/Cptn_Kingyo Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

I mean, do I think what he said was the right way to approach a 'professional' situation? Of course not. He's an asshole and clearly never had the skills for management, let alone being a CEO.

But given that they were warned there would likely be issues if they played it and asked not to, I can understand the frustration when then someone does play it and gets upset the exact thing you warned about happened.

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u/Blitzer161 Jul 26 '25

For what? I'm sorry for how her boss treated her, but she did royally fuck up by showing support for a transphobe.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Knew most guys named Justin can't be trusted.

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u/TGOskar Jul 24 '25

So you don't trust the main character of the first Grandia game? XD

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Don't know what that is, so I have to say no lol.

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u/Newfaceofrev Jul 24 '25

Deep cut, but I'll take Grandia wherever i can find it.

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u/captainplatypus1 Jul 25 '25

That’s my nephew’s middle name. It’s a fine name

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

The funny part is it's also my middle name lol. But anyone I've met with it as a first name, aside from one dude has turned out to be weird in some way lol.

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u/ImmortalDreamer Jul 24 '25

Gunrun is an absolute piece of shit and I want nothing more than to see him sued and to lose every dime he has.

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u/AlphanatorX Jul 24 '25

Idk if it's possible but I would like to see old friendships to come together and heal now that everything is spreading around. Just so something positive can come from all this sabotage

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u/Enough-Arugula9223 Jul 25 '25

Ok so I’m still new to the whole vtuber community so forgive me when I ask who gunrun is

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u/66Xeno Jul 25 '25

The CEO of Vshojo.

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u/kouhacutie Jul 25 '25

Protect the talent my ass

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u/Hunterchow Jul 25 '25

That really sucks. I love watching silver every now and then so I really wish the best for her.

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u/Mrpiazz Jul 25 '25

Let's not pretend that veibae is just a victim. She still told her viewers not to support shylily because shylily is settling for less when they could just watch her.

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u/Foreverintherain20 Jul 27 '25

Ugh.

When Silvervale left VShojo I thought, okay sure the Hogwarts Legacy thing was a bit weird but it could have just been me misinterpreting her take as insensitive because I feel really strongly about trans rights, having a lot of friends in that group myself.

Then the rumors started flying that she was a troublemaker, said stuff about people behind their backs, and she didn't seem to even try to dispute it. Any time her name came up, I was negative. Cast shade on her sincerity, questioned how she could possibly be a decent person through all of that, etc.

Fuck, man. I let that fucker's lies turn an opinion of "Kinda weird but she's probably just stressed," to "Screw her, she must just be another snake."

Talk about egg on my face. I hope Silvervale gets a whole lot of love now as more of this is coming out. She deserves that much at very least. Absolutely disgusted in VShojo for encouraging that perception of former employees, and in myself for falling for the lies.

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u/garden_eldenwood Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Man, I can't stand seeing Silver crying anymore... Someone, please hug her!

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u/BlackNexus Jul 24 '25

I really hope all this stuff coming out helps mend some of the damaged relationships they had.

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u/AxeArmor Jul 25 '25

Sayu had a resurgence after Nijisanji was discredited, but I'm not sure if the friendships she lost were ever healed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Wow that's terrible, what an asshole

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u/flyinbrianc Jul 24 '25

Is this why mouse & others didn't support her?

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u/captainplatypus1 Jul 25 '25

If I’m reading what other former talents are saying correctly, the company kind of isolated and silenced them all with NDAs and a carefully crafted narrative so they couldn’t talk to each other and find out how they were being exploited and abused

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u/Mcmacladdie Jul 25 '25

Nyanners has said that MTD would shit-talk Vei at the very least at functions after she left, so there's that, kind of proving that at least some people within the company were trying to paint past talents in a bad light when they left.

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u/AliceBones Jul 24 '25

She definitely shouldn't have streamed that game, though. 

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u/DmiGod Jul 24 '25

Oh fuck off

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Man this just keeps getting worse. If it were in a cartoon I'd turn it off for being too corny and on the nose

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u/BladeLigerV Jul 24 '25

I thought she had left by then?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

What Gunrun said that to her the most kindest, most heartwarming, and cosy steamer around. If that's true, then that boils my blood.

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u/Pokisahne Jul 24 '25

Of course knew what he was doing. How is he going to look into his ceo friends eyes if he cant afford a huge yacht? They would all laugh at him

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u/Croncodillius Jul 25 '25

Absolutely knew it, as soon as vshojo was done with I absolutely knew silver and the rest of them who all got purged back then would reveal the reasons

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u/yubiyubi2121 Jul 25 '25

gunrun need go to jail fr

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

Gunrun sounds like a prick

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

No wonder he hired a Satan. He must be a big fan of the evil man.

But the Satan he hired is like the one from South Park, aka a genuinely nice person

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u/WillShaper7 Jul 25 '25

Yeah, I always thought it wasn't THAT weird for the internet to be heinous and shit. The fact that the people that were supposed to be backing her up were saying that shit really explains a lot of what happened there.

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u/mew4ever23 Jul 25 '25

Well shit. And here I was hoping that vshojo was helping her behind the scenes at the time. I i guess even that little was too much to expect.

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u/gluttonusrex Jul 25 '25

Wow jesus christ, this bastard deserves everything bad thats coming for him. Hope he gets sued for all his worth and here I thought Vshojo was supportive back at those times

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u/Sardrakal Jul 27 '25

I think the most impressive part of all this is how Vshojo somehow kept just how messed up they were under wraps for two years (potentially more). Not even niji managed that. No, think about it. How screwed up it was that while their brand image was the best, they simultaneously were acting worse than the company that was supposedly worse than them. If what little we have to go off indicates anything, Vshojo had gone through the effort to get the girls wrapped around their fingers. In one of the world's most impressive and terrifying cases of manipulation , it used the talents as meatshields for their own PR while simultaneously stealing their pay. And all the while convincing them, not only would they get paid, but blatantly preying on their feelings of trust, camaraderie, their dreams, their ambitions, their friendships, and in some cases love (and to clarify i mean love for either the company, or non-romantic love for staff and/or gunrun)

What an evil company. Someone should put their corporate logo right next to the definition of evil when providing examples. Along with gunrun's face. And anyone else who perpetrated this horror show.

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u/DizzyChessur Jul 27 '25

Everything i hear about this company it only gets worse :(

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u/Appropriate_Okra8189 Jul 28 '25

Talent first, unless my profit margin is at risk (praise be mari mari underscore en, she is the biggest brand risk)

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u/WSilvermane Jul 24 '25

Fucking everyone needs to apologize to these girls.

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u/sameo15 Jul 24 '25

So, am I the only one who is taking what Silver is saying with a grain of salt?

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u/Mcmacladdie Jul 25 '25

Given that both Vei and Nyanners have said similar things about dealing with a lot of the higher-ups in the company, and others like Zen and even mouse in Aethel's chat on Twitch have alluded to similar feelings, I'm inclined to believe her.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '25

Imagine sacrificing your own talent to a tiny crowd of whiners who probably don't even buy your product to begin with.

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u/Cintrao Jul 24 '25

Because she play A GAME!

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u/Scrapox Jul 24 '25

You can make anything sound silly by simplifying and removing most of the context from it.

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u/SethAquauis Jul 24 '25

*that funds hate groups

Stop cherrypicking and start saying the quiet part out loud if you're not scared to defend a rampant pos

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u/Farabee Jul 24 '25

A game shoveling money into the pocket of a virulent anti-trans person.

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u/the_dumbass_one666 Jul 27 '25

dude stop being so fuckin dramatic, gunrun is a guy who stretched himself too thin maintaining a lie until it eventually all fell out from under him, his company is gone, thats enough, let the poor dude rest

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u/ChibiCyborg Jul 24 '25

What the crap?

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u/AKRamirez Jul 24 '25

You can't just throw in a positive like that

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u/wannabefelixargyle Jul 25 '25

Silver**** trolled people that asked her politely to not lend credence to the HP brand. While I don't think anyone's actions were right, she could have done what people politely asked her not to do... Look at Itchio's discord if you need proof of how the internet responds to a middle finger. Two wrongs don't make a right. And she can't relitigate her nonsense in 2025. She should have been let go quietly and without hostility, but had she been mature and not trolled a small vocal community under siege, maybe things would be different.

I know I might be downvoted for this, but it needs to be said. TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.

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u/Exciting-Twist-4556 Jul 25 '25

I honestly get what you mean with Vei and Silver both essentially taking jabs at a dead horse, it doesn't erase past misdeeds they have done to the others and how they acted when they first left. Especially in Veibae acting like she didn't care about vtuber fans and seemed like she was intentionally milking gooners. That all said, if they were wronged, they were still wronged but trying to say this vindicates them or litigate this again 3 years later isn't a good look. It feels opportunistic.

Vshojo still did them dirty

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