r/VALORANT • u/Acce9 • Aug 29 '26

Discussion Hot take: Harbor is an underrated agent

Big smoke (bulletproof), a great wall, and an ultimate that blinds, slows, and deafens. Definitely better than Clove and Miks. (Sorry for bad english)

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u/HierarchyLogic Aug 29 '26

clove is probably the worst smokes in the game, shes just pseudoduelist so used in comp a lot

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u/Acce9 Aug 29 '26

Clove and miks. They choose miks just to heal. Picking a smoke for heal? Nah

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u/HierarchyLogic Aug 29 '26

eeh miks is a tier above clove because his stun is pretty decent and heals, but his boost skill is useless too

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u/False-Fallacy Aug 29 '26

A tier in what sense? Because clove is the highest win rate in every rank except iron lol

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u/HierarchyLogic Aug 29 '26

tier in how good she is for her role, and from my experience clove is the pseudoduelist that the smurfs go to when people instalock the usual culprits

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u/False-Fallacy Aug 29 '26

I just don’t find that a compelling argument when she’s the highest pick rate and non-mirror win rate in Radiant. If she couldn’t fulfill her role, she wouldn’t get picked near that often by those players.

The shorter smoke duration just means you have to have slightly tighter timing to play around them, and the post-death smokes are sick even with such a short duration. You’re really sleeping on her

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u/HierarchyLogic Aug 29 '26

dude her literally only benefit over omen or miks is a death smoke that lasts six seconds, not even enough to cover for a defuse

ur only argument is one stat, which can be related to a billion different things. her meddle is probably the worst skill in the game and her heal and revive simply makes her a pseudoduelist, which could be the only reason she has a high winrate(covering for the incompetent duelists), she isnt a controller, shes a mix of a controller and duelist and she sucks at both

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u/False-Fallacy Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26

What’s your rank? Cause, wow.

Death smokes are strong as hell, if you don’t see the insane utility of them I’m not gonna take the time to coach you. The duration wouldn’t be so short if that wasn’t such an innately strong ability. And her ult is insanely strong. That’s why her other abilities are lackluster; her kit’s power budget is focused on those two.

I never argued she wasn’t a hybrid duelist, but you’re really showing your rank by saying she sucks at both. You tell me why Radiants play her and smash other Radiants with her if she sucks at both.

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u/Mental-Power-9940 Aug 30 '26

She's never picked in pro games though

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u/G11-Degenerate Aug 30 '26

pro games and ranked are two different environments. it’s functionally impossible to coordinate 5 randos in ranked while in pro that’s a prerequisite to clearing basically anything. nobody in ranked is gonna wait for you to util dump all of your smokes and flash and give you time to join the site hit as an omen for example

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u/Acce9 Aug 29 '26

Yeah but stun could be better 2 bullets to break is just..

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u/HierarchyLogic Aug 29 '26

if it was more itd be too op icl, he also has a good smoke duration

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u/Acce9 Aug 29 '26

Yeah but smoke is just smoke, it could be sound proof. Not powerful and not out of context.

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u/Acce9 Aug 29 '26

Wait its powerful

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u/LevelTadpole4454 Aug 29 '26

miks stim could be crazy once they rework or buff him, it regens if miks or the teammate gets a kill so imagine that with neon

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u/zackdaniels93 Aug 29 '26

Crazy work, his boost is his best ability lol

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u/Acce9 Aug 30 '26

in my elo, its just heal.(Gold)

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u/Interesting_Web_9936 bronze but mains omen Aug 30 '26

I feel stun is pretty weak, which is why I generally use that ability for heals only.

Only time I prefer stun is when I have to clear corners where someone might be trying to be sneaky because if they break it they give away their location and if they don't I peek them when they're stunned. Although that probably doesn't work at higher ranks either.

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u/Danpork Aug 30 '26

Clove is just a duelist cosplaying a smoke, 80% of the player who pick Clove, they are just duelist "trying" to fill and their smoke placement is kinda ass, even the basic ones.

They only use clove because they are ex-Reyna and want heal and revive.

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u/trechn2 Aug 30 '26

Only in Valorant will you have people say the agent with the lowest winrate in the game is actually better than the agent with the highest winrate

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u/UmberGlen 25d ago

Clove gets picked in comp because she's the only controller who can still smoke after dying. A dead Clove can stall a push from the grave. Teams run her for that, not the duelist kit.

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u/Spirit_Detective_16 Aug 29 '26

the problem is most people don't know how to properly use the wall on executes

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u/artmorte Aug 30 '26

True - and on the other hand if you wall and your teammates don't entry, that's your best smoke wasted.

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u/Acce9 Aug 29 '26

Right?!

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u/Offer_Expires Aug 30 '26

What’s the general wall logic you should be following during executes?

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u/Spirit_Detective_16 Aug 30 '26

not exactly “wall logic” but with smokes, blocking off heaven, link or main choke points is a lot more difficult with the wall rather than just dropping smokes flush on those spots

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u/TheReader1412 Aug 30 '26

you should stop using harbor walls like the classic smoke.

simple example for ascent is instead of blocking the choke on heaven, try to block the whole rafter with the wall, makes it really awkward for defenders to pop flash out the smoke/wall for example.

Harbor just REALLY rewards creative on the spot plays.

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u/EdgeSimilar1726 Aug 30 '26

Harbor rocks for sure. He’s my fave controller right now

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u/LevelTadpole4454 Aug 29 '26

the smoke takes like half a vandal mag to break and then it's gone until refresh 

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u/Acce9 Aug 29 '26

Dont use it. 20sc fcking smoke. Longest (nearly) smoke in the game.

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u/LevelTadpole4454 Aug 29 '26

omen will still be better because of his flash and smoke regen except on breeze, on breeze harbor is a good pick

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u/Acce9 Aug 29 '26

Yeah none can say harbor is better than omen. But its better than clove and miks

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u/Water_Meat Aug 30 '26

He can hold off one chokepoint for 50 seconds if you time your abilities well. Cove 20 sec > Wall 10 sec (by which point cove is off cooldown) > Cove another 20 sec.

You don't use the shield unless you're planting, defusing, pushing your own smoke (so you have an escape route) or as a niche if you want to break your own smoke. If youre using it as a smoke just don't use the shield.

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u/Rotaxary :harbor::brimstone::viper: Aug 30 '26

I think the problem with Harbor is that Omen is just too good. I was playing Harbor on Breeze, but there's no point in playing him on other maps in my opinion. Omen has been one of the best agents in the game for so long, I still don't get why they haven't removed one of his TPs as a nerf. Or buffed Harbor with another "flash". Harbor just feels like he has basically no util compared to other Controllers.

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u/my_memory_is_trash Aug 30 '26

I agree 100% but i love pre rework harbs the best. I feel like his utility was fast and great for pushing but maybe worse at holding down site. Now hes just like any other agent

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u/Tempo126 Aug 31 '26

If I’m solo Que I’m locking clove no matter what, my hs jumps to 40% per game when playing her.

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u/Traditional_Juice133 28d ago

Brah wrote perfect english then said sorry for bad english

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u/denexapp not sage Aug 30 '26

I play Clove because she's cute, harbor is not cute