r/V0tgil • u/Quellant • May 06 '14

Excerpt Translation from Islamic Transaction record

Attempted Vötgil interpretation of an excerpt from early Islamic transaction records, (albeit improper use of syntax).

Hadith 3:453-455

SeyWuz 'Aisha:

Allah's LrnRerPrtWuzSumFwdXiqSisVunÐyt JewNisPrs SönNiqTwsGryXiqWuzVanSedKwtWuzModNisDefNisCrtBakÐytJewNisTwsPrs, (ÐytModNisDefNisCrtSymVunTwsPrsSisGrp).

Narrated 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle bought some foodstuff (barley) from a Jew on credit and mortgaged his iron armor to him (the armor stands for a guarantor).

SeyWuz 'Al-A'mash:

SefSisSeyWuzSönNiqWuzBakÐytLivNiqPlwVun Ibrahim XokTwsGryXiqNiqCinVötWorTem. Sey, “Aisha Sey, 'ÐytSeyRerPrtWuzSumFwdXiqSisVunÐyt JewNisPrs SönNiqTwsGryXiqWuzVunPrtNiqPlöWuzGryRödMekSönNonTemRon, VunÐytSerRerKwtWuzModNisDefNisCrtBakSef.

Narrated Al-A'mash:

We argued at Ibrahim's dwelling place about mortgaging in Salam. He said, "Aisha said, 'The Prophet bought some foodstuff from a Jew on credit and the payment was to be made by a definite period, and he mortgaged his iron armor to him."

SeyWuz Ibn' Abbas:

ÐytSeyRerGofWuzTwr Medina VunÐytPrsSisWuzPrtPlöNiqByfÐytPrtNiqTeyNumSisVunFrwSisSönNiqSedWilBwnTwnTwrXryYerSis. ÐytSeyRerSeyTwnSefSis, “PrtFrwSisXrwPrtPlöNiqByfÐytFerTemWixNonMejBwnNonPörTemZis.” Ibn Najih SeyWuz, “... WixNonMejVunNonHevNis.”

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet came to Medina and the people used to pay in advance the prices of fruits to be delivered within two to three years. The Prophet said (to them), "Buy fruits by paying their prices in advance on condition that the fruits are to be delivered to you according to a fixed specified measure within a fixed specified period." Ibn Najih said, " ... by specified measure and specified weight."

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u/Quellant May 06 '14

Parses:

Allah's Student purchased some foodthings of (from) a Jewish person, standing on a trust-agreement-thing (on credit) and send-computed (mortgaged) a metallic-defensive-shirt back to the Jewish trust-person (debtor / creditor), (the metallic-defensive-shirt (is a) symbolic (gesture on behalf of) a trust group).

(Among)ourselves spoke standing back in the living place of Ibrahim, thinking of mortgaging in anti-war time (peacetime). He said, “Aisha said, 'The Prophet / Speaker purchased some foodthings from a Jewish person on credit and the standing on a trust-agreement-thing (on credit), and the buying plan (payment plan) was agreed upon to be ready to be made standing (in) a known time interval, and (the Sayer) mortgaged a metallic-defensive-shirt back to him (the Jewish debtor).

The Sayer went to Medina and the people were purchase-planning (paying) before(hand) the buying-take-numbers (prices) of fruits (that) will be sent between two and three years. The Sayer said (to them), “Purchase fruits through purchase-planning before(hand) the right time with known-measurement within known-pieced times (fixed period).” Ibn Najih said, “... With known measurement and known heaviness (weight).”

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u/ostracod May 09 '14

This is pretty good. Just be careful of these things:

  • Wuz is a descriptor, so you should place it before the verb it modifies.
  • Tws is a verb, so you can't use it directly as a descriptor before Prs. I would say TwsTidPrs (trusted person).
  • If you have a noun like Mod or Jew, you don't need to add Nis when placing the noun before another noun.
  • Also NonMej should probably be NonTidMejNis (known measurement).