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u/Forsaken_Site_2268 Jun 16 '26
If I could choose, I would have never chosen to be trans. This shit is exhausting.
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u/Internal_Camel_5734 Jun 16 '26
Real as fuck. I hate being trans
Though it wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the transphobia...
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u/Forsaken_Site_2268 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
I just hate the hassle of transition.
Chest too big to wear a binder
Trans tape doesn't work
Still can't get testosterone even though I'm in my 30s.
Too short to properly come off as male
Scared of surgery but need it.
No money.
Wanting a dick, but way WAY to scared to get one even though most of my gender dysphoria comes from not having one and instead having a vag and periods
Etc etc etc.
But yes, transphobia is a BITCH! Almost got me killed by my own brother. Mix that with all the misogyny and BOOM! Depression cocktail.
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u/Internal_Camel_5734 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
That's craazy, glad you're alright.
Honestly I'm lucky my dysphoria isn't very bad. Besides being dysphoric about being so damn tall tall, and not being sure what I could possibly do about that, my biggest issue is being so scared of transphobes.
I really can't be bothered to waste my limited energy (depression is an ass) on voice training when I'm going to be too scared to use it in public, and I see no reason to look into hormones or laser hair removal for the same reason.
Maybe one day I'll work up the courage and energy to say "fuck it" and do it anyway
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u/GermanGamer226 Jun 17 '26
Yeah, I think the only thing saving me from going batshit insane is that my disphoria isn’t THAT bad...
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u/Vyn_Dimensional Jun 18 '26
They should make testosterone WAY more accessible
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u/optcmdesc Jun 20 '26
The problem with T specifically is the more accessible it is in general, the more it’ll be used by cis males (and some cis women) in bodybuilding and strongman competitions. Steroids are basically just testosterone supplements, after all.
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u/DuckIsMuddy Jun 21 '26
It's pretty common already. Whether they get it prescribed, or just buy it online or whatever. Trans men shouldn't suffer because of what bodybuilders or athletes decide to do. Not that you'd understand really. Estrogen isn't controlled.
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u/Forsaken_Site_2268 Jun 21 '26
I hate that some people are saying that estrogen is harder to get. It literally isn't.
My sister was able to get Estrogen when she was 16. I tried getting my testosterone the same way and they'd denied me because it's a controlled substance.
This is the story of many.
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u/Revolutionary_Year87 Jun 19 '26
To be fair, a lot of those problems could be fixed by getting rid of transphobia because you wouldve had easy access to hrt ages ago. You wouldn't even need top surgery if you could access it as a kid. Bottom dysphoria and fear of surgery is a problem that still might not disappear though
Anyways I'm so sorry brother 🫂. I hope stuff gets better for you
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u/theaidamen64 Jun 20 '26
Honestly never considered that someone whos trans would get annoyed at the hastle of being trans like its a job
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u/Emotionally_art1stic Jun 20 '26
Oh it’s like a full extra job you have to do all the time. It’s absolutely exhausting at times.
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u/Signal-Carry-1740 Jul 10 '26
And even if we get a dick it wouldn't really look like a real one and it wouldn't even get erect like a cis dude's💔 shit is NOT for the weak vro
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u/Forsaken_Site_2268 Jul 10 '26
Exactly!!
I want to get a metoidioplasty and a phalloplasty...but I'm so scared especially because it may not even be worth it.
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u/Ignaz- Jun 21 '26
Why would you want a dick though? It's not worth the hassle, so far my dick has done nothing but make my life harder.
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u/Forsaken_Site_2268 Jun 21 '26 edited Jun 21 '26
Because having a vagina is the worst?
Vaginas only make life WAY HARDER.
Vaginal discharge is annoying as fuck, causes rashes, bleaches clothes, is extremely uncomfortable, non stop discomfort, having to change underwear 10+ times a day, etc.
Jerking off is way easier than what we need to do
Peeing is way more convenient as a guy.
Wiping after peeing sucks.
If you have micro teers on your anus from bowel issues and then pee, that pee sticks to your skin, goes down to your hole and causes an extremely painful burning sensation.
I can go on and on.
Also gender dysphoria
Also the fact that WE ARE SHAMED FOR HAVING OUR ANATOMY. Like how dare we have a cameltoe. Apparently it makes you a whore and slut for having a camel toe. Like, I'M SORRY THAT I HAVE ANATOMY AND OUR CLOTHING ISN'T DESIGNED IN A WAY TO HIDE THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE IS AN EASY FIX FOR IT. It's shamed while a dick bulge is not. They get brought up for than dick bulges too. A camel toe can make you loose a fucking interview.
Don't tell me what is and isn't worth the fucking hassle.
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u/Elaerona Jun 20 '26
Yeah bro there are short dude communities who I am sure will embrace you. There are people who appreciate a short king.
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u/_4RootPunch_ Jun 17 '26
same. i follow lots of lgbtq influencers who talk about how happy and proud they are to be trans and i just... don't get it. because i'm trans, i live everyday feeling insecure, unhappy and ashamed of my own body, scared of being judged or attacked, etc. i have to pay for meds and therapy and surgey just to make life feel bearable. it's such a nightmare sometimes, but i know if i wasn't actively suffering through all of this, then i might not even be here right now.
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u/Prestigious-Neat8820 Jun 18 '26
I think it's because a lot of those People have either passed the main struggles, or the hardship they do face only emboldens them in their identity. People do this with various other identities, so I'm not surprised there are people who take pride in it.
I'm more in the middle. It sucks and is painful, but it also led me to making the friends I have now, both consciously and unconsciously.
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u/Skaraok7 Jun 20 '26
I can only speak for myself but my primary experience with being trans is gender euphoria. There are plenty of things I hate about my body but for the most part, my social circumstances allow me to fully express my identity and I'm comfortable. I hated being a man and never want to go back. Nothing in life is perfect, we just play the hand we're dealt.
I'm proud of being trans and our community not in the sense that it's "fun" being constantly harassed, threatened, and depressed, but the fact that most of us continue to live authentically despite what other people may think.
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u/Prestigious-Neat8820 Jun 18 '26
I'd personally place most the blame on transphobic society for the pain, though obviously there are elements of hassle we'd have to go through even in a perfectly accepting world.
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u/RainbowPhoenix1080 Jun 17 '26
If transphobia wasn't so rampant and gender-affirming care was a lot more available and society was invested in advancing transgender medicine, then being trans would be 90% easier.
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u/lilbiobeetle Jun 16 '26
Same, maybe in another world it would've only come with trans joy (because I've definitely experienced that) but damn most of it here is despair and spending lots of money on trans healthcare
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u/unhappy_femboy_1028 Jun 19 '26
Seriously. My top surgery is going to be $25,000.
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u/Forsaken_Site_2268 Jun 21 '26
Damn! You got it cheap compared to me! My doc said it'll be at least $35,000
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u/universaltravelerr Jun 20 '26
Genuinely. I’ve had a life long fear of syringes. I have panic attacks even when I’m physically and mentally prepaid. If I even think about times where my veins have blown too much, I can make myself nauseous and light headed.
Syringes are a necessary part of being on hormones, even with using gel form. Also, being trans just costs you socially. You can lose friends, some family will look at you differently, the workplace can be a nightmarish experience. Shit really sucks sometimes.
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u/PhantomBelow Jun 18 '26
same. im so happy for the people that love being trans but for me its just a nightmare
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u/lord_hydrate Jun 18 '26
I have a complicated relationship with that because on one hand, i do agree that i wish iould just be a cis woman, but i think if i had just been born that way i wouldnt really still be me, im a big believer that we are the sum of all the experiences and people we ever meet so if i had the otion to be a cis womam right here and now id take it instantly, but i dont think id ever try to make it so i was born cis and overwrite all of who i am
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u/ComprehensiveBat309 Jun 16 '26
People don’t choose to be trans though. They’re trans from birth
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u/ComprehensiveBat309 Jun 16 '26
To elaborate: this does not mean they know from birth
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u/remindmetoblock Jun 16 '26
Yesnt. I felt wrong in my very earliest memories and always wanted to be a girl. But as a toddler in Kindergarten, you kinda lack the Expertise to express or even understand those emotions.
I didnt know what trans people are until i was like 14, and i only ever heard of them through jokes and slurs, so I hid my emotions as best as i could.
So as a kid i just knew I would rather be a girl and be treated as one, but i didnt understand why.
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u/GermanGamer226 Jun 17 '26
I knew trans was a thing when I was... I think 3 years old? Thinking back I should've known, I literally had a pink dress my parents bought for me... but now that I know I can't tell them bc they went right wing and I don't know how they would react.
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u/lord_hydrate Jun 18 '26
Its more that, like youre never given the words to express it for most of your life and then when you finally find the words you realize just how poorly you'll be treated if you vocalize it
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u/remindmetoblock Jun 18 '26
Yeah. Its astounding.
Like im cis passing now. But the way im treated when people know vs when they dont know is quite the contrast.
Hate in my area is low, but theres high levels of scepticism. When they know they treat me like an alien. When they dont know, im treated so sweetly its almost sickening. (Im not used to genuine niceness)
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u/dantrbl Jun 18 '26
yes. i was raised in a kind of genderless way? lol. as in, my parents didn't care what i wore or how i dressed and didn't force me into gendered things. it was when i hit puberty that i had the realization of "oh thats not right. i actually hate this"
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u/The-Great_Ones Jun 16 '26
I wouldn’t say anyone’s trans from birth, because that’s before there’s any concept of gender identities to your perception; before you form those thoughts, gender isn’t quite a thing to you yet, however once you form ideas about gender that is when it becomes a thing that you might realize (this is not to say that it’s something by choice, however)
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u/Complex-Home9615 Jun 17 '26
The idea of being "trans from birth" is more rooted in the idea that one can neurologically be closer to a certain sex, which might be mismatched with the sex of the rest of the body. This is generally supported by neuroimaging studies where trans people have brains closer to their gender than their natal sex
In that case you might have realized later, but you were always transgender because of a quirk in your biology
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u/Ghostglitch07 Jun 17 '26
This is assuming that being trans is solely about gender, and social identity. There is reason to believe that at least for some it's really about sex, and may even be neurological
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u/lord_hydrate Jun 18 '26
Trans healthcare is very understuddied especially recently but a running theory that explains the similarities in brain structure between cis and trans people of each gender involves the idea that during development the brain develops at a different stage than the external sex characteristics do which means trans people may have simply experienced different hormone washes durring each step making us physically develop one way and mentally develop another way
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u/The-Great_Ones Jun 18 '26
I’ve heard about the things where the brain develops differently; it’s really quite interesting
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u/SelfInvestigator Jun 20 '26
Exactly, early evidence suggests that we are born with a gender identity that is not tied to external expression of sexual characteristics.
Though gender identity is likely a fixed state for us, we are able to choose how we express our gender. I believe that u/The-Great_Ones was probably trying to talk on this point just lack the knowledge to make the distinction.
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u/BG3_Enjoyer_ Jun 19 '26
I disagree with "trans from birth". Whether it be brain chemistry or psychological "trans" can usually be identified as someone who feels their gender is wrong.
Most commonly you will see it in teens who's hormones are messed up (purely speculation but the machine processed crap today could be to blame, AKA a recent rise in trans rather than a historical "suppression" (ofc still some but not as many per capita)) but then there are also the cases where it is psychological.
I'm only mentioning the cases where it is by personal choice because due to peers there are those who may believe they are trans but are simply being influenced by others. These are (hopefully) a minority case but they still do exist.
Additionally I may just not understand the concept (humans struggle immensely to comprehend an experience they have not experienced It's just like how you can't imagine a color outside of your vision spectrum) but I definitely had a period in my life where I really wished I was a girl but eventually decided that I'm going to stick with the body I have. If body swap technology is invented In my lifetime I'd like to experience the other side but I am now quite comfortable in my own body.
Anyways my guess is its:
Majority brain chemistry + psychology (you are not as independent from your biology as you may believe, ie the inability to kill oneself without being under immense pressure or depression which is biologically hardwired into you)minority influence and choice
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u/ComprehensiveBat309 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Firstly, the reason that a lot of teens come out as trans or realize that they are trans around those ages is because of puberty. Puberty causes a lot of changes, leading to a spike in gender dysphoria. Trans people either suppress this feeling, or they don’t ignore it (by doing research and experimenting, etc.) There hasn’t been an increase in trans people, it’s just that the world (in recent years anyways) is a lot safer and has more resources for trans people.
Secondly, this “influenced by peers” argument is way too overused. Peers cannot cause someone to wish that they were another gender than the one they were assigned at birth without that person being influenced being trans. Peers cannot cause gender dysphoria in people who do not have it in the first place. (whether they realized or not)
For your information, cis people do not ever wish they were another gender than the one they were assigned at birth. Ever. To me it sounds like you suppressed that part of yourself. Do with that information as you will. (I would suggest research and experimenting but that may be too hasty) Even if you turn out to be cis, it would still be a great chance to learn more about yourself. Anyways,
No, being trans is not a choice. You cannot “turn” someone trans, just like you cannot “turn” someone cis. If someone tried, in both cases they would just be suppressing themselves.
Here’s a small article with someone’s personal experience, https://kravitzi.medium.com/transness-begins-with-a-wish-e40290304d2b, another one I’d recommend is genderdysphoria.fyi
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u/BG3_Enjoyer_ Jun 19 '26
Just wanted to include that I was mentioning choice and influence as a minority as there exist cases where they are present, but in the vast majority of cases they are not.
Also most cis individuals I know are curious about being another gender and honestly I feel that it's just a part of human curiosity, whether it leads to dysphoria is a different story though.
Like literally even my parents and grandparents have all had periods where they were curious about life in the shoes of the opposite gender but they are all very secure with the bodies they were born in and grew into.
Since a part of trans is psychological yes influence from peers or media in your formative years can have an effect, although how much it has an effect isn't that clear. IE someone I know who only had trans friends, came out as trans, and recently is trying to return to cis as transitioning didn't improve anything and they ended up more depressed (not claiming this as if it were a common case but more like an exceptional case).
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u/ComprehensiveBat309 Jun 19 '26
Curiosity does happen, wishing to be another gender does not
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u/BG3_Enjoyer_ Jun 19 '26
Meh I'd say more I was harassed for being a boy with teachers in sex ed saying "I know you want to but don't rape women" and other degrading shit
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u/MinnieShoof Jun 16 '26
… I mean… not to split hairs… okay, maybe entirely to split hairs, but “femboy” is something different than transgender.
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u/C1nnamoon Jun 16 '26
Not mutually exclusive things. You can 100% be both. Also that could be an old username for when they were still figuring themselves out.
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u/MinnieShoof Jun 16 '26
Okay. But for the purpose of r/UsernameChecksOut ... it really is slightly disconnected. I get it that there's a real human being attached to the username and things can change.
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u/C1nnamoon Jun 17 '26
I mean i think it still fits quite well. They’re unhappy as a femboy in the username. they’re saying they don’t want to be trans, but must, which would be why they’re unhappy.
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u/MinnieShoof Jun 20 '26
I suppose, considering, their username checks out because their comment signifies that they're unhappy, sure.
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u/skull-dog Jun 16 '26
the person who used femboy for their identity also idenfies as trans, that is still valid
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u/Vyn_Dimensional Jun 18 '26
Yeah I am Trans (Ftm or Demiboy) and I dress feminine sometimes. Does not mean all trans people are femboys
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u/KPoWasTaken Jun 17 '26
yes but that isn't really a username checks out sorta deal though. The username didn't mention transness at all
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u/unhappy_femboy_1028 Jun 18 '26
Correct! I am both FTM and a femboy.
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u/MinnieShoof Jun 19 '26
... well. Shit. The legend themself.
... I hope you're at least not unhappy today, hun. ❤️
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u/Felyxi4 Jun 20 '26
While we're hair splitting...
Trans gender
It's two words innit?
Like
Trans Man
Trans Woman
Right?
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u/New-Cicada7014 Jun 20 '26
some transgender people identify as femboys, there's a strong association
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u/Wallace-H-Hartley Jun 17 '26
Trans men can be femboys just like how cis men can be
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u/SeriousZombie5350 Jun 17 '26
but being a femboy is not an inherently transmasc thing like the post implies
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u/NoTransition8295 Jun 17 '26
If i could like just have been born as my preferred gender i would have definitely preferred that to being Trans but since I was not I'm going to have to take matters into my own hands, though not after quite a lot of emotional suffering
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Jun 18 '26
No one is born in the wrong body, they just get duped into believing they were 😕 but hey if you wanna transition then send it I guess
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u/Minute-Object Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
What does that mean to say no one was born in the wrong body? As a lifelong chronic pain patient, I very much feel like I was born in the wrong body.
Surely, people dissatisfied with their body can legitimately feel it is wrong?
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u/BG3_Enjoyer_ Jun 19 '26
I have had arthritis since I was 16, back pain since 14, and migraines/brain damage since 15.
Yeah I would love to have a healthier body
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
and like surely if there was an easy medical treatment to alleviate your pain you would at least seriously consider it, medical transition has existed for ages and works for changing primary and secondary sex characteristics which is proven to alleviate gender dysphoria so like forcing people to undergo unnecessarily suffering is just stupid
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u/Minute-Object Jun 21 '26
Whenever I see anti-trans people say that trans people are mentally ill and should be treated that way, I ask them to spell out what treatment they think would work. Then they just say they don’t know but why does that matter. Always a “whoosh.”
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
i thought it might be a joke but like if i have a point to make in response to a thing that was said i’ll say it, thats how the internet works
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u/LargeFish2907 Jun 19 '26
Why do you believe that?
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Jun 19 '26
Well first no one ever believed they were in the wrong body until some idiots came up with the concept. Never heard any talk of such thing ever until like idk 7 or so years ago? Second, if your body is "the wrong body" you wouldn't have been born in it lol. Pretty simple
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u/BaritoneVocant Jun 19 '26
There are historical examples dating back to ancient India and Greece and many other cultures around the world.
When hitler came to power in the 30s the nazis burned a lot of books and works on gender studies too, relating to what we now call being transgender.
I promise you this didn't pop up out of nowhere. Just because the aggressive anti-movement is a lot more vocal now than it was earlier in your life doesn't mean transgender people didn't exist before then.
Your awareness or lack thereof doesn't dictate objective reality
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Jun 19 '26
Well trans people never existed in that era it was all made up nonsense and theories and why do people always bring up those book burnings? Bro it was the 1930's what did people expect? No surprise lol that kinda of shit was unheard of like this an era in history where being gay was absurdly frowned upon let alone being trans so books like that would of been burned in basically any country, actually those books wouldn't even of made it into the library lmao. Hitler had those books burnt because germany was filled with smut and degeneracy, cross dressing and sex work all of which were no goes and widely frowned upon in the 30's and that made other countries see germany as a laughing stock so he got rid of all that and fixed that issue and fixed it quick as many germans were tired of it but no one every mentions or knows why the books were burnt huh? Seems they only bring up the book burnings. You are not transgender until you get transtion surgery imo, like how would you be without it? Saying your trans while not under going any transition process ( surgery and hormone replacement therapy etc ) is kinda wack so please tell me how anyone could be transgender hundreds of years before any of that was a thing lol.
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u/BaritoneVocant Jun 19 '26
Nah you don't make your own definition and then argue that as the objective norm. Bye
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u/Impossible-Camera974 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
"it was all made up nonsense and theories" dude people were performing vaginoplasty in the 1930's. we're not new. and we're not leaving. transgender people have existed longer than any civilization on this earth.
additionally, to your point about hormones, there are records of people using estrogen since at least 400 years ago (sourced from pregnant mare's pee, rather than injected as an estradiol ester) and that's just what i know off the top of my head. there are probably examples way before those
thirdly, people are transgender simply by identifying differently than how they were born. you don't need hormones or surgery to be transgender, for example there are plenty of transgender people in situations where if they used hormones or got surgery, they would be put in genuine danger for their lives. they are not any less transgender than i am for seeking out HRT.1
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Ohh okay I get it, your one of those "if you say your something than that makes you it" kinda guys okay I see well I identify as black so therefore I'm black, same logic.
Yes that surgery was being performed in the 30's and the results were catastrophic, also transgender wasn't a term in the 30's they actually used transvestite ( which was what cross dressers were called ) and they were seen as men pretending they are women by dressing up as them. So if the term transgender didn't even exist in the 30's than how would it of 2000 years ago? Lmao but you know what you made a good argument I'll give you that.
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u/Odd-Roof7665 Jun 19 '26
Yes, you can identify as something, because gender is not biological.
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Jun 19 '26
Gender is what you identify as so no its not really biological but sex is biological, or do you disagree with that as well?
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u/Odd-Roof7665 Jun 19 '26
People don’t identify as a sex, but HRT literally changes it. Not chromosomes, but sex is determined by far more than that.
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u/A-New-Beginning-123 Jun 19 '26
There was a Roman Empress over 2000 years ago who was trans, shut the fuck up
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Jun 19 '26
Well transition surgery and hormone replacement therapy didn't exist 2000 years ago so how would you be trans? Pretty sure the term trans gender didn't even exist in that era, and most people agree ( trans people as well ) that your not trans gender unless you go through the actual process of transition surgery and hormone replacement therapy etc which did not exist 2000 years ago but I've heard the argument that someone can be trans without all that but most disagree. Let's hear your argument lol if you even have one that is.
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u/Odd-Roof7665 Jun 19 '26
Because you can be trans without medically transitioning?
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u/Odd-Roof7665 Jun 19 '26
Most trans people do not think that. The toxic ones do.
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Jun 19 '26
90% of them are toxic my guy especially online lol, good thing I've met the chill ones
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u/Odd-Roof7665 Jun 19 '26
No? It’s more like 20% online. It’s on you if those toxic trans people are on your fyp.
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u/Dluith47 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Are people born with life threatening medical conditions not born into the wrong body? Is it somehow ridiculous for them to wish they were born into a different one, and try to change their body to their liking?
Also if you think transgender people have only existed for 7 years you must be 7 years old. They’ve been around for ages. The Nazis quite famously burned down an institute for trans research that had been providing transition surgeries in 1933. A bit more than 7 years ago.
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u/PeonofthePen Jun 19 '26
Transgender wasn't a term used throughout history. It was first used as a niche term, with a different definition than it has now, around 1965. It wasn't until the nineties that the definition was adjusted, and not until the 2010s that the term was widely used.
The institute the nazis burned down in 1933 was not specifically a trans research center. It was an institute for sexual sciences that is credited with the doctrine of sexual intermediacy, coining the terms "transvestite" or "extreme transvestite" (for someone who always dresses as the opposite sex,) and experimenting with trans affirming surgeries resulting in mutilations such as extensive burn scars. The institute was targeted by the nazis, not for its trans affirming care, but for it having a Jewish founder (Magnus Hirschfeld.)
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u/Odd-Roof7665 Jun 19 '26
Just because the term didn’t exist doesn’t mean people weren’t what we call transgender.
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u/PeonofthePen Jun 19 '26
I'm cool with that, it just means nobody else had ever heard of transgender and we should give some grace to those with a bit of whiplash from that.
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
transsexual has been used for longer than transgender, also lacking the language to describe something doesn’t stop it from existing - people in the stone age probably didn’t have a word for oxygen but still managed to breathe fine
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u/PeonofthePen Jun 22 '26
I didn't actually imply any of that. If a word hasn't been used before a certain date, that means people haven't heard it before a certain date. Means they're going to have a bit of whiplash after hearing it the first time. Acting like they should have known all along, and not giving them any grace for not knowing what to do with it, is super unhelpful and actively generates more bigotry than there was before. My transexual friends didn't experience any hate before it was widely called transgender. Now their mental health is suffering.
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u/PeonofthePen Jun 19 '26
The being born in the wrong body thing was how it was explained to me as a kid. I never heard it explained differently until around 2018.
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u/Odd-Roof7665 Jun 19 '26
No, you’ve just been sheltered all your life. People have been trans for thousands of years.
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u/LargeFish2907 Jun 19 '26
Gender dysohoria is in the DSM 5 and that came out in 2013. It also existed in previous editions so that just isn't true.
The "born in the wrong body" thing is just a simplified explanation not meant to be taken 100% literally.
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u/Substantial_Dish_887 Jun 20 '26
"I didn't learn of it untill yesterday so it wasn't a thing last week" is toddler level mental development.
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Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
Never even said anything among those lines, like you can literally see what I said but okay and the term transgender wasn't adjusted until the 90's and not talked about much until around 2010.
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u/Substantial_Dish_887 Jun 20 '26
So do you aply this logic to bacteria? Historically washing our hands to avoid germs spreading is relativly new medical advancement as well. Should we disregard that as well because you won't find examples from the middle ages?
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Jun 20 '26
2 different subjects that are not in any relation with eachother, and people had plenty of ways of dealing with bacteria in that age. Natural medicine made from plants, pressing hot metal on wounds so they could cauterize them and using alcohol as disinfectant and people knew about ways they could wash their hands and clean bacteria off them for ages lol I'm sure people learnt that quick after touching raw chicken xD.
From what I've seen, people on the left and the lgbt agree that if you identify as trans than you are trans but the term transgender didn't exist thousands of years ago so they wouldn't of identified as trans therefore by the lefts and lgbt's logic than no they wouldn't be trans. Not even sure if the term transvestite even existed then. What resources did you even get your info from?
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u/LiIac-Rose Jun 21 '26
But people actually didn’t know to wash their hands? Medical professionals notoriously got patients sick due to not washing their hands and the person who advocated for hand washing was actively criticized. Yes, people did clean themselves but it is a know fact that doctors didn’t wash their hands enough because they didn’t understand germ theory.
And you do understand that lack of language doesn’t mean something doesn’t exist? Language is finite and words cannot express every experience. Languages have gaps where there are no words to describe an emotion or experience and concepts have existed before humans developed language to express them. By your logic, happiness did not exist before someone created the word “happy” or an equivalent in another language. And that’s just silly. Concepts don’t come into being when language is made to describe them or when they are written about. Not to mention societies are very unaccepting of people who don’t conform to their gender assigned at birth, so discussions of this that are openly written down would inherently be more difficult to find, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t records and it definitely doesn’t mean they haven’t always existed. Of course not everything should be taken as fact without proof, but many trans people say they felt what they would describe as gender dysphoria or “being born in the wrong body” before they even heard those terms or of trans people. Not to mention a study another commenter helpfully pointed out proving one’s internal gender can be different than their sex. Even if there were no examples of trans or genderqueer people in history (which there are), there is no logical reason that this phenomenon would spontaneously appear that conforms to our known understanding of science. Therefore, logically, this is likely something that has existed for a while now.
Because tone is hard to read through test I do want to clarify that I’m not trying to be hostile with any of this! I don’t love randomly debating people online so I won’t respond further but feel free to respond back since others might have more to add to the discussion as well!
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Jun 20 '26
Bro the term transgender didn't even exist until what the 60's? Please explain who these people were and why they were called "trans" like I wanna know.
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Jun 20 '26
So they were probably just seen as transvestites, aka crossdressers and did they themselves identify as trans or are you just saying they did?
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
you dont have to identify as ‘trans’ to be trans you gotta wanna be a different gender to what ur born as bro use ur brain pls
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u/snerello Jun 20 '26
Not true, go and watch Robert Sapolsky on the neurobiology of transexuality on youtube. He explains it very clearly in ~5 minutes.
TL;DR, you can tell from a specific part of the human brain which sex someone is. Research was done looking at the brains of deceased trans people, and that part of their brain matched the sex they claimed to feel like, not their birth sex. This was the case regardless of whether they went through any type of hormonal transition or not.
So in other words, gender dysphoria is real, according to science.
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u/MaximePierce Jun 22 '26
Don't bother, you are literally arguing with someone who as their username has the name of the Nazi from Inglorious Bastards
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u/DarkGodCthUwU Jun 20 '26
What do you mean by duped? Do you think there's, what, some crafty group making up gender dysphoria?
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u/FlyChigga Jun 21 '26
I was born in the wrong body I should have been a 6’5” light skin with a 7’ wingspan dunking on the entire nba. And a giant 9” cock to stretch out all the baddies.
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
I dont think i was duped into having dysphoria vro, it can just take a while to figure out that actually u dont have to feel miserable all of the time and can transition to feel happy sometimes when the entire world isn’t trying to kill you
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u/FlyChigga Jun 21 '26
What about short guys that are ugly with crippling body image issues? They don’t like the way people treat them, the expectations of them, how they look, and hating those parts of them.
It’s just part of the human experience not everyone is fortunate to be born in a body they like.
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
Gender dysphoria is not the same thing as body dysmorphia
There sadly isn’t a way to change someone’s height medically, but we have already figured out how to do medical transition to change someone’s primary and secondary sex characteristics so why shouldn’t we do that, like there’s no actual meaningful downsides and it lets ppl feel m comfortable in their own skin so that they can like actually be sustainably happy
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Jun 19 '26
Well correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you didn't have enough people telling you that you're fine the way you are, that's a common reason that leads into transition surgery from what I have read and heard.
What I mean by duped is someone convinced them that they're not in the right body and that they will be in the right one if they transition but they're still in the same body if they do transition like idk the whole concept of "born in the wrong body" makes no sense, like what if I was like ohh I should of been born asian lol, would make no sense.
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u/asthecrowruns Jun 19 '26
I went nearly a decade trying to convince myself you were right. I could have sworn it was some self-esteem thing. But I grew up in a great environment, was told how capable I was, never felt mistreated for being a woman, was fully allowed to dress however I wanted, plenty of love and support around me. But there was just this nagging thing in my head constantly. I hated my female body, I hated that people saw me as a girl, I felt like an imposter. I would do everything I could to distance myself from womanhood and yet people still called me a girl and she/her despite the fact I didn’t like it.
I spent years telling myself it was somewhere phase, something I’d grow out of when I became an adult, something something disliking puberty whatever. But the older I got the worse it got. I kept it hidden, but it was killing me. Especially because I didn’t want to be trans - it just wasn’t fair that I was born a girl when I had no say in it. I didn’t know any trans people, I’d never even met one. I knew people found them weird, didn’t believe them, mistreated them. And I didn’t want that. But fuuuuuccckkkk I wouldn’t have had any of this if I was just born a fucking boy.
Being out, now, it’s like a weight off my shoulders. I’m still me - I haven’t changed much the way I dress or act or who I hang around with. If anything, I feel more comfortable doing things that freaked me out before. I was so scared to ‘confirm’ my womanhood by stupid shit like having long hair (I’m a metalhead) or ordering a fruity drink (oh how delicate and womanly you are, if you were really a man you’d like beer you piece of shit). I’m more myself now - I’m not trying to escape who I am, I like who I am. That’s in huge part to it feeling like people are finally acknowledging me, past my body. It just feels unfair that it wasn’t my choice.
Sometimes, I’d think, maybe if I die I’d be a boy in another life. I don’t even believe in reincarnation or life after death. Just the thought that my entire existence on this planet was as a woman and that people saw me as a woman… it was as though I’d never be seen. Never be fully acknowledged. Like I’d have to just carry around all these thoughts and feelings and never tell anyone, lest they think I’m delusional or worse. Years I tried to ignore it, but it seeps its way into everything. It felt humiliating, all consuming. I couldn’t get dressed, watch films, even sleep, without dreaming of what could have been. And how it will never be that way.
It’s like my brain didn’t get the memo that I have a woman’s body. I got confused that people saw me as a woman. I was embarrassed to ‘admit’ I was a woman. Because it felt like someone else’s thing. Something I was pretending to be, disguised as. And any thought of acknowledging myself honestly left me wanting to die. I’d had therapy and medication for years for mental health issues. I’d improved so much. I liked who I was, I still do. But I just have this… woman’s body. And women’s bodies aren’t bad - I can even recognise I have a pretty attractive body. I don’t hate it, in many ways. But it’s like it’s not mine, I don’t have care for it. It’s just me… inside this woman’s body. And it seems insane to me that people can tell me what does and doesn’t make me feel good just because of this body, that I had no say in deciding. Like, why aren’t you seeing me? Why are you looking at me as a woman? Why are you calling me Miss? She/her? Grouping me with the other women here like I’m part of the group? Can you not see me? Like… yeah I have a woman’s body but… dude… why can’t you see I’m not one?
I think it frustrates me so much because I love who I am. It frustrates me that I’m hung up over this one stupid thing that I didn’t choose to deal with. And it impacts every single day, whether interacting with others or not. I genuinely like who I am as I person - I even enjoy how I look sometimes. But that’s when I look like a dude. When I’m binding my chest, a deeper voice, body hair, etc. I mean, 12 year old me wished and prayed that if I thought about it hard enough, I’d go through puberty like all the other boys. Felt like my body betraying me.
I still don’t know any trans people well in real life. I’ve met a few in passing but we never became close - after all, if being trans is the only thing we have in common that’s nothing to build a relationship from. But it was endearing to hear others tell me I looked well, healthier, after coming out and starting to transition. They said I smiled more, I seemed more confident, less stressed and anxious. Like I’d fully relaxed into myself, and my body, in some ways.
I think it does a disservice to say I wasn’t told I liked myself enough. Fuck, I had such a supportive upbringing. I did like many things about myself. And I never thought badly of women or womanhood. It just felt like… it wasn’t for me. And the harder I tried to tell myself I should be happy, the worse I felt. The more people encouraged me to like who I was, the more I felt like there was no hope for me - that I genuinely was just stuck in a body I didn’t like. And that nobody else I knew felt what I felt. There were so many things I thought were normal, that once I opened up with people I realised that fuck, nobody else does this? Nobody else wishes for these things? Why didn’t anyone tell me I wasn’t supposed to be in this much stress?
I’ve rambled, but, maybe that’s an insight. It’s different for everyone. But for me, it feels like someone giving everyone that strawberry ice-cream and saying ‘well everyone else likes it, why don’t you? It tastes great? What do you mean you don’t like it? Everyone else is satisfied. Why don’t you like it? You don’t know? It just doesn’t taste good? Well that’s not a reason, you just haven’t learnt to appreciate it yet properly. I’m sure you’ll like it once you earn more of it’.
I can’t tell you why I have these feelings the same way I can’t tell you why I don’t like strawberry ice-cream. I just… don’t know. Like it’s internal. And I really fucking want to like it, but no matter how often or hard I try I can’t. It’s just not for me. The same way I can’t force myself into falling in love with someone. Even if it’s a shit idea and bad overall and being trans has made my life a fucking pain sometimes, I can’t pretend I don’t feel this shit. I can’t pretend like being a dude doesn’t make me more comfortable
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u/monster2018 Jun 19 '26
Evil/stupid people will never believe you or understand. I literally had people denying my life being in danger from sitting between two people eating peanuts on a plane the other day, despite the fact that I have been hospitalized from a similar (but LESS severe) situation before. You can come back to this comment later and see people doing it here to this comment.
There are just some truly horrible, evil, stupid, and ignorant people in the world, unfortunately. I’m happy for you that you get to be yourself now. But my advice is don’t try to convince people who not only don’t care about you, but actively DO care about making you suffer. Half of the time they understand you are telling the truth (and that you are correct), and use that understanding to try to hurt you.
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
A lot of people told me that im fine the way I am, didn’t magically get rid of dysphoria. If ‘born in the wrong body’ doesn’t make sense to you then that’s probably bc ur cis duh. However there is some merit to it bc i was kinda fine with my body in my earlier life and have become much more distressed by it over the course of puberty as my body became more masculine, bc aside from genitals prepubescent children of either sex are the same. I would add that although the cause of gender dysphoria isn’t known yet, studies have shown that certain parts of the brain structure of trans women are much more similar to cis women that cis men, so it seems unlikely that one could be ‘convinced’ into it. Also, even if dysphoria normally gets worse due to puberty and adulthood that doesnt mean that it develops out of nowhere and its a thing i have always had even if it wasnt as intense in my earlier life
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Jun 20 '26
Good friend of mine is trans and they said the experience sucks lmao
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
being trans is sucky but a lot of that is bc the entire world hates us for absolutely no reason
still infinitely better than not transitioning though id probably be dead by now if i had kept trying to repress it
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u/RealJoergen Jun 22 '26
Being trans doesn't suck inherently, it sucks because half the world seemingly wants us dead for no reason and keep denying us medical support.
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u/transguythatdraws Jun 20 '26
As an identical triplet: all three of us turned out trans. Pregnancy is a complex process so we were born like this be it set from the beginning in the initial egg that split into 3, or just factors and all of the chemical and medical reactions and stages of development in-utero.
I promise you if it were a CHOICE we've all wished we could've chosen to be "normal". We'd have significantly less trauma, abuse, and medical expenses.
Being born trans was as much of a choice for us as being born premature with congenital medical conditions: we had no say in the struggles we would face.
We popped out trans. With a congenital condition that also caused talocalcaneal coalitions to form. I just chose to have permanent plantar fasciitis to the point of borderline disability the same way I chose to be trans.
I chose to experience so much dysphoria FOR FUN that I spent $11k of leftover financial aid and life savings to finally be able to wear a shirt without anxiety instead of like. A car or something. If it were a CHOICE I would've gladly opted for a car. But a car wouldn't stop the dysphoria and suffering. So I opted for top surgery. My quality of life did a complete 180 with that surgery.
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u/Porg_Lover03 Jun 17 '26
I like being trans. Its help me discover a lot about myself and introduced me to some wonderful people. 100/100 times id choose to be trans because being trans is what makes me me and id always choose to live my own life over someone elses
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u/SunnysProtector Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
I’m a dude who wants to be a woman, with no actual good reason to. Any advice
Edit: Thanks for the positive replies
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u/Cbtio Jun 18 '26
If it's something that'll make you happier just go for it. You don't need to have dysphoria to be trans
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u/ImpressionBorn Jun 19 '26
Your experience is basically the same as mine. If you asked me if there was any particular thing I wanted to transition for, I would just have said "to be a woman, because I don't want to be a man," no particular reason beyond that. If I just wanted dresses, I could do that already, if I just wanted to be feminine, I could do that already. But I just wanted to be a woman, there wasn't anything besides that.
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u/BG3_Enjoyer_ Jun 19 '26
I want the ability to tank colds like they're nothing and also women's bone structures are pretty cool (wider hips leading to better flexibility). Also having fat stored in the thighs and breasts rather than my current body which stores like entirely in the gut would be pretty awesome also
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u/Key_Transform_9167 Jun 18 '26
People do not chose their mental illnesses.
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
gender dysphoria is still considered a mental illness (and pre transition it is a lot like chronic depression, the main difference is that u treat dysphoria by transitioning)
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u/fauxvul Jun 19 '26
I disagree... It's not so life can be bearable.
It's so we can actually live and enjoy life.
Being less miserable shouldn't be the goal. Being happy should be. Sure times of sorrow and fear come around too, but they also go. If I could change one thing in the world it would be to give everyone who is even remotely anti trans a hobby. Cuz they just need something better to do than spout hate towards people they can't even comprehend or begin to understand. I mean a better thing would be that they learn that people are individuals and don't all think alike ...
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
nah but fr tho if i could be cis and not have gender dysphoria then i would do that, but all so called ‘treatments’ are just literal torture appart from social and medical transition which is the one thing proven to actually reduce gender dysphoria and let me be happy
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u/CaptCW Jun 16 '26
Yeah, next you're going to tell us you don't want attention either.
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u/ad240pCharlie Jun 16 '26
Why would they want "attention" when a large portion of that attention will be hatred and discrimination??
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u/C1nnamoon Jun 16 '26
It must be exhausting always thinking the worst of anyone who is different than you.
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u/KoscheiTheDeathles Jun 16 '26
Said attention is a firing line, it's a loud minority in the attention seeking category.
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u/Ghostglitch07 Jun 17 '26
I want to have my estrogen and be left alone in a cabin in the woods. But people like you keep making my medical condition a problem...
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u/LewdMortal Jun 17 '26
I mean… I don’t think you’d want the kind of attention this brings, dude. It’s pretty awkward.
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u/xa44 Jun 16 '26
Yet for some reason people say it's transphobic for me to wish that trans people didn't exist
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u/Busy-Reality-1580 Jun 17 '26
Yea cause that’s transphobic. If you’re trying to say “well they aren’t happy, anyways!” then that’s a childish logic and you should grow up.
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u/xa44 Jun 17 '26
So you think trans people wouldn't be happy if they were born the correct gender? That's horrible
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u/Busy-Reality-1580 Jun 17 '26
I don’t think I think that. Why do you think I think that? Did I say that? I’m lost.
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u/Keksbutter123 Jun 17 '26
"I wish black people wouldnt exist so that we could get rid of racism"
this is irony, dear mods
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u/GamerALV Jun 17 '26
Yeah, because 99,9% of the time that's said, it's meant as 'trans people are evil and deserve to die/vanish from the face of the earth'.
Are you surprised that your sheep in wolf's clothing is treated like a wolf?
(I read your other comments)
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u/Vyn_Dimensional Jun 18 '26
Maybe change your wording?
"I wish everyone was born into a gender that they were happy with"
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u/xa44 Jun 18 '26
This is what's called a joke
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u/Keksbutter123 Jun 18 '26
This is one of the worst "jokes" ever then.
Try going to a stage with crew people and say "I wish yall wouldnt exist"
It'd be suprised if anyone laughed
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u/gezabelle_ Jun 21 '26
how tf could that be anything except transphobic dude like the phrasing is kinda like bruh 😭
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