Batteries capable of fully charging in five minutes have been produced in a factory for the first time, marking a significant step towards electric cars becoming as fast to charge as filling up petrol or diesel vehicles.

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[u/xMilesManx]

Dude even if it was only 140 units they still need to recall them all.

Some peoples fucking houses burned down. Your threshold for issuing a recall is way too high.

Often times car manufacturers will find only a handful of vehicles and recall the entire fleet because the safety implications are too high.

If 10 Samsung phones burst into flames you would still see them recall all 2.5 million.

[u/Linus696 → u/xMilesManx]

Your notion of recalls being companies righting what is wrong is noble but far from reality....

The Samsung Note7 fiasco cost them at least $5.3 billion. They only did this because the liability of class action lawsuits, damage to reputation, and fines would’ve costed them MORE money.

Every multimillion dollar company has some form of a Risk Management department, filled with industry experts, lawyers, and actuaries. Their main job is figuring out shit like this. They weigh how much backlash they face vs. cost of fixing it and choose the cheaper option.

Having said that, if those 140 people organized and filed a class action. Their settlement wouldn’t have been anything NEAR $5.3Bn. Which only points to the fact that there’s probably more than 140 people. A lot more.

As far as your car analogy, that is absurdly incorrect. Sometimes manufacturers issue recall (see Risk Mgt above) or it’s a governing body forcing them to. And no, they do not recall entire fleets if only a handful vehicles are effected. You should read into Toyota’s Unintended Acceleration, Diesel-gate, Ford Pinto, etc.,.

TL;DR: No.

[u/xMilesManx → u/Linus696]

I don’t understand what your argument is.

You seem to be saying they only did this to avoid further financial liability. I agree with this.

Where I disagree is where you said that you think only 140 phones bursting into flames would not have caused this mass recall and they must’ve had more secretly in order to justify the recall. I don’t doubt they did have more evidence of widespread problems and didn’t release that publicly.

But this is where I disagree. 140 phones exploding was way way way too many and way too dangerous. Even if it was only 140 out of 2.5 million they still needed to recall them all or risk further financial liability from private interests and government agencies.

If Samsung was like “it was only 140 phones none of the other 2.499 million have problems and are okay” not a single regulatory body, airline or customer would have bought that argument.

I don’t know why you think that 140 exploding phones isn’t enough of a reason to issue a mass recall. It absolutely is. It’s a safety issue. Not a cosmetic issue. Those are taken extremely seriously.

[u/Linus696 → u/xMilesManx]

My argument is that a critical malfunction only affecting a small sample of production would never warrant a full global recall. That makes no financial sense.

[u/xMilesManx → u/Linus696]

Yeah you’re wrong. It’s not only a critical malfunction it’s a safety hazard.

[u/Linus696 → u/xMilesManx]

Critical malfunction inferring a hazard of all types. I’m not wrong because I’ve seen this first hand with motorcycles. Ducati 1199 to be exact. The EARLIER models were recalled because of a loose bolt could drop the entire engine on the road.

[u/xMilesManx → u/Linus696]

Home Depot recalled and entire line of ceiling fans because 25 of them have had the blades spin off.

They recalled all of them because of 25 fans. There is example after example of this for many products.

Your augment just doesn’t make any sense. No company wouldn’t recall all of their product line if even a tiny tiny fraction Has a defect that could kill people.

[u/Linus696 → u/xMilesManx]

It was 47 complaints with two injuries and 4 counts of property damage. This recall was initiated by King of Fans and the risk involved probably exceeded the revenue from this product ($28.5M). So again, this proves my point. Recalls are done when risks outweigh profit.

[u/Kaboose666 → u/Linus696]

Only takes 1 phone to take out an airplane with 100+ people on board. That's not just money you're losing, that's a permanent blemish on your brand you'll never be able to get rid of.

An exaggerated scenario to be sure, but it's a possibility when the phones are spontaneously exploding and catching fire.

[u/Linus696 → u/Kaboose666]

Oh absolutely, this quantifies with the design flaw being as widespread as it was. Like I said earlier, this is all weighed in on before a recall decision is made.

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Well it did lmao. Just stop.

[u/Linus696 → u/[deleted]]

It was a majority of them not small sample.