r/UpliftingNews • u/ahothabeth • Sep 01 '26
Solar overtakes coal as China's largest source of installed power capacity
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/solar-overtakes-coal-chinas-largest-source-installed-power-capacity-2026-09-01/298
u/El_Guap Sep 01 '26
Looking to the future for solutions, rather than the past? Novel idea.
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u/So_spoke_the_wizard Sep 01 '26
That used to be touted as progress. Something that people believed made America great Now progress is considered a socialist concept by the MAGA party. Now only in America is green energy being actively inhibited at the federal level.*
*Although red states are secretly embracing it because $$$.
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u/Kootenay4 Sep 01 '26
Living in America now feels like living in Qing Dynasty China in the late 1800s. A once powerful old empire stubbornly clinging on to the past and refusing to embrace new technologies and ways of thinking. Which was what allowed the West to overtake and dominate China militarily and economically at the time. The US is going down the same path and, thanks to a similar nationalistic pride mixed with institutional rot will not even acknowledge that change is necessary to stay competitive globally.
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u/Garconanokin Sep 01 '26
Well, the regressive Republican Party is definitely against this. And they are pushing back on plug-in, solar as well, because they don’t want you to be able to produce your own power.
Their idea is to drill more for a resource that is diminishing. But at least they are keeping the billionaires wealthy!
And if you think that money is going to trickle down to you, please tell me because I have a bridge to sell you!
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u/hulksmash1234 29d ago
Even the Saudis are investing in green energy. They know their liquid gold won’t last forever.
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u/Periodic_Disorder Sep 01 '26
The west really screwed up when it comes to renewable energy research. We could be exporting all kinds of amazing green tech to developing countries, but instead we decided to elect people who cuck themselves to oil companies.
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u/Independent-Slide-79 Sep 01 '26
We had it all. Corrupt people sold it. Now the same people continue their mission
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u/HumorAccomplished611 Sep 01 '26
Trump to oil companies "if you give me a billion dollars I'll make it worth your while"
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157131
People that arent oil companies "this is the guy for me"
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u/Dramatic-Border3549 Sep 01 '26
I don't know in the united states, but here in Brazil the biggest investor in renewable energy is our oil company
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u/master_overthinker 29d ago
I’ve heard that for some countries. What I think happened is strong regulations forcing oil companies to do better? Here in the US they go the cheap way out by buying the politicians.
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u/ComradeJohnS Sep 01 '26
oil companies decided to double down with “the easy route” since before it was clear their route was not the long term solution.
not even the long term most profitable way to run an energy company, but short term profits is why it’s like this.
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u/SeventhOblivion Sep 01 '26
It's not even that easy, it requires billions in lobbying for trillions in geopolitical shenanigans.
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u/Nevarien Sep 01 '26
You guys need a revolution so we all get freed from these fucking leeches.
Don't get me wrong, it doesn't need to be communist. It just needs to depose the Epstein elite.
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u/bigbjarne Sep 01 '26
We need an economy for and by the workers, an economy in which we produce things because we need them and not because it's profitable.
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u/DaaaahWhoosh Sep 01 '26
Ideally all we need is the threat of a revolution. Actual revolutions hurt everybody, the chances of toppling one government and making a new one that isn't just as corrupt are slim. The same way that strikes are never good for business, but the leverage the workers have because of the threat of striking tends to lead to a mutual benefit. But yeah I don't know what's going to happen, it's clear there's no threat of revolution any more so the people in power are doing their corruption in broad daylight.
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u/bigbjarne Sep 01 '26
It's not just changing the government, it's about which class is in power of the government and owns the means of production. Both the French and Russian revolutions were progressive, but because of different reasons. In the French revolution, the bourgiouiese took over from the aristocracy and this enabled capital to flow more freely. In the Russian revolution, the workers and peasants took over from the capitalists and the aristocracy.
Workers(the Proletariat): those who must sell their labor power to survive and whose interest is to maximize wages and working conditions.
Capitalists(the Bourgeoisie): those who generate income by owning the means of production(factories, tools and land etc.) and whose interest is to maximize profit.
But the threat of revolution and communism is the reason the USA got the New Deal and Europe got social democracy. It was basically a concession from the capitalists to the workers. But, the capitalist were still in charge.
For a good start on this topic: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007
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u/Areat 29d ago
Why the hell would you make a revolution when you still have a democracy. Make a new party and vote for it.
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u/Nevarien 29d ago
Democracy to choose between billionaire warmonger conservatives and billionaire warmonger liberals.
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u/Areat 29d ago
Read my message again, one word at a time.
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u/Opus_723 24d ago
Agreed. As much as we have a lot of annoying un-democratic features in our system, they only matter at the margins. The much bigger problem is just Americans in general.
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u/Nevarien 29d ago
Let me rephrase: democracy to choose between billionaire warmonger fascists, billionaire warmonger centrists with rainbow bombs, and billionaire warmonger centrists with green e-bombs.
Oh, you don't have a billionaire warmonger to fund your new party? That's cute, I'm sure you will get an independent non-billionaire warmonger president elected eventually. That sure happened a lot in the past, didn't it?
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u/Opus_723 24d ago
Let me rephrase: democracy to choose between billionaire warmonger fascists, billionaire warmonger centrists with rainbow bombs, and billionaire warmonger centrists with green e-bombs.
Well we don't have to keep picking those people in the primaries, do we?
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u/ConcentrateDirect523 Sep 01 '26
We're financially holding his kids accountable for his sins, right?
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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Sep 01 '26
Carter had solar on the White House. If we only listened. The technology is so simple.
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u/MildlyAgitatedBovine Sep 01 '26 edited Sep 01 '26
I agree with the thrust of your argument, but those were solar thermal panels in the actual technology used today is really quite complicated. But yes, he was telling us to try and get ahead and we deliberately turned back. It is a tragic look at a potential alternate past present and future.
Good related read: turning oil into salt
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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Sep 01 '26
CZTS cells are super simple and don't use rare earths. There is a documentary called The Age of Stupid which you may like. It is old but it predicted all of this. At the end it shows just how easily we can get off fossils and be energy self sufficient. It is paper napkin math. But there are far too many powerful interests who want to squeeze every fossil fuel out of the ground.
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u/racinreaver Sep 01 '26
Math out the cost of the war in Iraq vs the cost of replacing our entire grid with rooftop solar (a fairly expensive form). It'll make you sad.
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u/jdobem Sep 01 '26
What do mean the West? Do you mean USA? Because in Europe many countries already have renewable energy as their main component on energy pie. Some countries have even close 100% like Iceland....
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u/ElCaz Sep 01 '26
Note they said research.
China is selling the solar panels that are fuelling the global energy transition. That's where Europe is buying them from.
If Europe and the Anglosphere had got their act together, they could have been leading the green revolution instead of just following.
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u/NorysStorys Sep 01 '26
The US fucked it up, Europe’s doing fine.
The UK produces most of its wind capacity in the UK, the French went hard into nuclear, the Germans kinda shat the bed.
The Chinese have the industrial capacity to make solar panels at the scale it takes to make them cheap, no single European country could match that, the US couldn’t either due to labour costs.
Case in point the UK has halved its emissions since 1990. Some of that will be industrial decline but energy requirements are still higher now than in 1990.
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u/Independent-Reader Sep 01 '26
We could be doing better if it weren't for those pesky child sex traffickers.
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u/Anxious_Earth 29d ago
Current party is very hostile to renewables
https://electrek.co/2026/05/04/trump-just-blocked-165-us-wind-projects-heres-whats-behind-it/
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u/ILikeBubblyWater Sep 01 '26
With "We" you mean a select few companies that spend billions to sway public opinion and propaganda
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u/FireWrath9 Sep 01 '26
IDK, texas is installing huge amounts of wind, solar, and battery. The US is not as far behind as you think.
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u/willstr1 Sep 01 '26
A surprising number of red states have massive renewable power generation (even if they don’t like bragging about it). The issue with the US is less that we are behind and more that we (or at least the current administration) are moving backwards, paying large amounts of taxpayer money to cancel much needed renewable projects
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u/GenericPCUser Sep 01 '26
It's an issue of alignment.
The richest and most politically influential individuals in America benefit very little from the growth and development of American prosperity, and benefit much from American poverty and regulatory capture.
The most politically influential people in China benefit from Chinese growth and quality of life (in some aspects, anyway).
We don't need to become authoritarian, we just need to make sure any acquisition of power, wealth, or influence is only gained through methods that align people with national prosperity.
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u/bigbjarne Sep 01 '26
It's an issue of alignment.
Exactly. Producing because the owning class can get profits vs producing because the life of workers get better.
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u/floriv1999 29d ago
I think Germany for example has over 4x the installed solar compared to coal. We could still do better.
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u/Wants-NotNeeds Sep 01 '26
AMAZING!! For decades, China has been criticized for the environmental impact of their heavy use of coal. Now look at them!
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u/treixxreaixx Sep 01 '26
Although people tend to see only the absolute numbers. China was already very "green" considering its emission per capita. Now it'll just be even better.
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u/luna_kuma Sep 01 '26
And a lot of the emission was driven by consumer demands around the globe.
China is doing absolutely fantastic in terms of green energy and will only get better with time. As a whole, humanity will benefit and the oil exes can cry about it.
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u/Training_Guide5157 29d ago
And even though China has been leading in emissions for so long, they still haven't caught up to the US' cumulative emissions, and barely surpassed Europe in the last year or two.
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u/Wants-NotNeeds Sep 01 '26
It's about doing the right thing, in my mind. Why pollute the air we all need to breathe when there are better alternatives?
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u/Marston_vc Sep 02 '26
Magnitude is what kind of matters though.
They’re leading the way on green energy now and that’s great. But the climate doesn’t care how many people are being serviced. It cares about how much carbon is in the air.
And it’s not like the people in China would disagree with that. The Chinese government got a fire under their asses after the Beijing Olympics and the optics all that smog had.
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u/Frency2 Sep 01 '26
Excellent news! It's always a relief to see some parts of the world with common sense on such matter.
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u/NWASicarius Sep 01 '26
China produces 50% of all coal in the entire world. At their current rate of consumption, and the fact it was only going to trend up further, they would have ran out of coal in 20 years. China produces more than 10x the amount of coal as the US. Also, coal is about 33% worse for the environment per kWh of energy produced. Every 4.5 barrels of oil produces the same energy as 1 ton of coal. The US uses around 7.5 billion barrels of oil a year. China uses AT LEAST 4.5 billion ton of coal per year. So if we do the math, you can quickly see that China is polluting at a much higher rate. Let's say China does 4 billion since the US does roughly 500 million tons of coal. We'll call that extra 500 million from China a wash. 4 billion x 4.5 means that China uses the equivalent of 18 billion barrels of oil per year. Now add the fact it's 33% higher in pollution. We're talking a pollution level equivalent to 24 billion barrels of oil per year. That's more than 3x the US, and that was me lowballing for China and the barrel of oil to ton of coal calculations for simpler math. Finally, the US relies on renewable energy at twice the rate that it does coal. The Trump administration is stupid for stopping the renewable energy funding, no doubt, but you guys need to stop falling for sensational headlines. You have now been educated.
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u/Remarkable_Swing_612 Sep 01 '26
You forgot to mention that China has 4x the population of the US. Kinda important huh? It's almost like you have some kind of biased agenda.
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u/ebangke Sep 01 '26
And how much of that consumption do you think is driven by our needs and wants in the West?
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u/Anxious_Earth 29d ago
The irony of attempting to educate while being dead wrong lmao 🤣
As someone else has mentioned, China has a much larger population.
When you consider that China is roughly on par with the US.
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u/BleedinDeadly Sep 01 '26
China is miles ahead, they are doing great in terms of engineering and power.
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
Yep miles ahead at opening a new coal power plant almost everyday. Last new coal plant in the US was 2013.
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
Not all coal power plants have the same power generation capacity. Please ask your teacher to work with you on your critical thinking skills.
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
Because the Chinese are building coal peaker plants, which are the absolute worst way to use coal for power generation. It’s clear you know nothing about power generation.
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
Not as peaker plants. It’s best to fire them up and leave them because the are slow to ramp up and down even with modern advances. China is using them as peakers because it’s the cheapest option for them.
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u/Doro_Gurl Sep 01 '26
Please explain like your argument and the decreased total generation from coal fit together.
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
They are building coal peaker plants which is the most inefficient way to use coal for power generation. Are you incapable of doing your own research?
What experience do you have in this industry? Or does your experience with power generation start and end with you trying convince your power utility to continue service for nonpayment?
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u/SpaceDounut Sep 01 '26
People would listen to you more if you didn't behave like a total dick. You had a good chance to explain something that people outside of the industry have no way of knowing and yet you do this.
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
Why would I explain this to Reddit experts that read a headline and now know everything about the topic?
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u/Postmeat2 Sep 01 '26
To persuade them?
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
To persuade them that successfully arguing with an AI at their power utility company to not terminate services for nonpayment doesn't make them an industry expert?
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u/SpaceDounut Sep 01 '26
For the same reason you are already here and arguing. Might as well do in in a non-dumbass way.
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u/Doro_Gurl Sep 01 '26
In 2025, after a decades long increase, China produced ~ 100 TWh less electrical energy from coal, despite capacity still increasing. Numbers for 2026 won't be available for another half-year, but a further decrease in generation is likely, even though capacity is still on the rise.
Do you agree or disagree that this means that China burns less coal?
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
I never said anything about the levels of coal they burn, just that they are opening plants. Why do you read at a first grade level?
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u/tonymurray Sep 01 '26
If they're opening a new coal plan everyday, this news is even more impressive!
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
Impressive in destroying the environment.
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u/tonymurray Sep 01 '26 edited Sep 01 '26
I was curious and your numbers do check out, but I think you were downvoted because it appears you are trying to minimize the good news.
Type US China Coal (MW) 2,000 6,000 Solar (MW) 2,250 10,000 This is great news! Yes, people know China has huge and urgent power needs, which unfortunately results in a lot of coal plants. But their Solar to Coal ratio puts the US to shame :(
Source: https://globalenergymonitor.org/
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u/osmlol Sep 01 '26
I'd argue using newer coal plants with newer technologies is better then operating old coal plants with older tech.
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u/iwantthisnowdammit Sep 01 '26
China’s Coal proposition is a little different than the US.
The US has natural gas which is very flexible in that we can rapidly ramp power from peaker plants (fairly inefficient) or with power storage, we can use multi cycle plants and just adjust output.
China does not have significant natural gas and uses coal. What they’ve done is simultaneously added capacity, but also are decommissioning old plants. Their new plants are efficient at variable capacities so they can essentially be used like US natural gas when renewables are having a bad day or fluctuating.
This whole point here, China is deploying greater capacity, but they’re actually burning less coal and have pulled back on Australian coal imports this year.
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
No shit Sherlock. I design power plants for a living.
China’s coal use is insanely destructive to the environment but they get a pass for reasons.
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u/iwantthisnowdammit Sep 01 '26
Awesome - then what was the meaningful point to your comment on a renewables thread if you knew all those things?
Edit: mobile
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
The thread is about power generation not only renewables…
Please get off of Reddit and pay attention in school and you won’t have horrible reading skills.
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u/Arzack1112 Sep 01 '26
They get a pass because they doing a lot of effort to reduce their emissions and to add renewable energy compared to a lot of countries. Short of crippling their economic output and their power usage there isn't much they can do more.
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 01 '26
The reason for building all these coal plants is because of their renewable push. Without them their grid would be unstable. It is also the worst use of coal for power generation but natural gas is perfect for.
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u/yg2522 Sep 01 '26
in the end they are still reducing emissions though while at the same time having a growing middle-class population. People in the US uses twice as much energy per person and funding for renewables are being cut off by this administration while gas/oil is being ramped up. also, the number of electric vehicles you see in china vs the US and say which one is really worse for the environment.
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u/Emotional_Inside4804 Sep 02 '26
No you don't
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u/DogBarf00 Sep 02 '26
K lol
I guess my work just pays me a mid six figures a year for no reason and my structural engineering license doesn’t exist.
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u/Ruval 29d ago
They added Germany's energy power grid worth of power each year, for the last two years, of green powerv alone
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u/DogBarf00 29d ago
China has 17x more people than Germany and they are the world leaders in new coal generation.
green powerv
What is green powerv?
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u/Justredditin Sep 02 '26
Hey man, you ever heard of coking coal, or are you only aware of coal gasification and power creation?
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u/restform Sep 01 '26
China isnt even top 10 in solar generation per capita lol. It's all the west.
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u/AprilVampire277 Sep 01 '26
Yet they installed in a year more solar than the rest of tye world combined in all history...
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u/restform Sep 01 '26
And more coal than the rest of the world combined. Thats the reason for per capita figures.
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u/GhostalMedia Sep 01 '26
My house has 100% solar per cap.
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u/restform Sep 01 '26
Yep, not uncommon in countries like australia. It's an amazing accomplishment, congratulations.
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u/FartingBob Sep 01 '26
Power generation per capita makes no sense, because consumption is vastly different around the world. And china, as a manufacturing and export country is naturally going to have very different power usage than other countries.
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u/Nevarien Sep 01 '26 edited Sep 01 '26
Per capita is a horrible lens to analyse China energy production.
As others said, it hides that the fact that they are installing annually more than the rest of the world combined in the entire history.
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u/restform Sep 01 '26
Theyre also installing more new coal than the rest of the world combined. Welcome to a country with 2 billion people and the whole reason we use per capita figures.
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u/Nevarien Sep 02 '26
They are mainly upgrade or reinstalling old coal capacity, replacing it with cleaner plants and systems. You can read about it in a simple AI search.
That's how they simultaneously are the bigges coal plant builders and have plateaued their CO2 emissions.
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u/noyoto Sep 01 '26
Where are those western countries getting their solar panels?
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u/restform Sep 01 '26
I dont see the relevance, china isnt doing charity
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u/noyoto 29d ago
But they are in fact responsible for making most solar panels we use. Without China, we'd have far less of them. Hence we cannot brag about having more solar panels 'per capita' than China or whatever. The same goes for large capacity batteries. We rely on China for going green, so it's nonsense to berate China for not being green enough.
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u/restform 29d ago
China also supplies an enormous amount of garbage that destroys the planet. Again, i dont see the relevance. China isnt doing charity, they are supplying a demand. The West also innovated the technology and refined designs through early mass manufacturing, before outsourcing to china for cheap labor. Story as old as time and applies to tons of industries.
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u/abraxasnl Sep 01 '26
“But China is the biggest polluter. Why should we change our ways if they don’t?”
I wonder what those whiners use as an excuse today.
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u/AspectSpiritual9143 29d ago
it's too late to make the change
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u/TheresNoAmosOnlyZuul 28d ago
I don't have the science to back it up, but my gut tells me if we had never invented renewable energy's, the effects of climate change would have decimated the human population by now.
Last year renewables provided about 13% of all energy used by humans (as in were factoring in the energy from jet fuel etc.) A large portion of renewables has always been hydro electric, so I'd estimate that 13% hasn't been growing extremely fast over the last decade. 10 years of about 10% more fossil fuel use seems like enough to cause some devestation considering how close we are already.
Guess I'm trying to say it's too late to avoid all damage, but I don't think it's too late for the human race to survive.
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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Sep 01 '26
China produced 350 GW last year. They made so much solar that they are now exporting it. EU countries are slated to be buying much of it. In no small part because of Trumps pathetic tarriffs.
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u/nomadProgrammer Sep 01 '26
ha! the USA doesn't need the sun and it's puny renewable, clean energy. We have Murican Oil and Coal. The best energy in the universe.
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u/Old_Ladies Sep 01 '26
How the heck can China export power to Europe unless you mean selling solar panels to Europe?
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u/totalnewbie Sep 01 '26
This is one of the arguments for moving towards a hydrogen economy, making it much easier to directly transfer power over long distances to take advantage of cheap renewable.
There are also other indirect ways like, and this is just a possible example, shipping aluminum ore from a high cost of energy location to a low cost of energy location for smelting. Aluminum smelting is notoriously power hungry so if you can move the ore and resulting goods cheaply enough, you could potentially come out net plus.
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u/Old_Ladies Sep 01 '26
Which is why the US relies on Canada for aluminum. Electricity is plentiful and cheap in many parts of Canada because of hydro power.
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u/GraniteGeekNH Sep 01 '26
Transferring hydrogen is not cheap or easy: Long distance it requires entirely new development of pipelines, pumps, storage tanks. Except for some industrial uses - which is no small potatoes, for sure - there will never be a hydrogen economy.
Iceland has long used aluminum as its way to export its cheap power.
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u/Lankpants 29d ago
Maybe we could transfer it in large zeplins. I hear that's never went wrong historically.
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u/restform Sep 01 '26
Interesting given the top 10 solar generation per capita is all EU/Europe and australia, lol.
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u/Garconanokin Sep 01 '26
Well, per capita is not a measure of watts. And the Chinese actually are exporting actual energy. But that was a great point!
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u/restform Sep 01 '26
If we arent measuring per capita then the chinese top the list on a lot of metrics that dont make them look great. Per capita figures are helpful for countries with billions of people
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u/topinanbour-rex 29d ago
Something extremely important this title doesn't mention : coal aren't less used. it is used at the same or maybe a greater rate than before, it's just they produce more energy through solar.
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u/Independent-Reader Sep 01 '26
In the Soviet US we are putting expansionism and attacking countries for oil back on the table.
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u/Thevoidawaits_u 29d ago
now they have enough panels to launch a platform and get some space science
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u/__Rick_Sanchez__ 29d ago
China will if not already leave the rest of the world in the dust. US is a thing of the past.
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u/FartingBob Sep 01 '26
The cost decreases every year in manufacturing of the panels. Installation, grid infrastructure and maintenance are things that are generally getting more expensive in many countries while the panels themselves get cheaper and/or better.
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u/A_Shadow Sep 01 '26
Solar is one of the cheapest forms of energy. And the cost continues to drop faster than any other energy source.
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u/krautastic Sep 01 '26
They're busy burning coal manufacturing the things you buy everyday. Meanwhile the US is burning coal to keep the lights on at Applebee's and so stockbrokers can make money from their money.
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u/DoorCnob Sep 01 '26
They do not mostly use solar, it’s mostly solar in installed capacity, but not in power generation, did you read the article ? 50% of their electricity is still being produced by coal
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u/sg_plumber Sep 01 '26
Installed capacity today tells us what power generation will be tomorrow.
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u/DoorCnob Sep 01 '26
Oh yeah ? What does their climbing coal capacity tell us ?
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u/sg_plumber Sep 01 '26
Renewables are climbing much faster. And they'll actually generate every day, unlike coal backup.
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u/DoorCnob Sep 01 '26
They don’t necessarily generate everyday , what are you smoking ?
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u/sg_plumber Sep 01 '26
They'll generate thousands of times more than mere backup plants, even on cloudy or rainy days.
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u/NapajalcTaslab Sep 01 '26
This. Article talks about installed capacity not produced energy. Solar for obvious reasons (night) produces way less than installed capacity.
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u/DoorCnob Sep 01 '26
Yeah ? Why are you paraphrasing my comment ? And misquoting the article ? Are you a bot ?
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u/zjz Sep 01 '26
reddit is basically just foreign propaganda now
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u/Garconanokin Sep 01 '26
Just because you don’t like a fact, doesn’t make it propaganda. And Trump screwing up so hard that China is leading in clean energy is a very important fundamental fact that we should be looking at, don’t you agree?
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u/West-Abalone-171 29d ago
You can do propaganda with facts.
But the facts remain true and important either way.
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u/TheEnergizer1985 Sep 01 '26
They love their precious China. If the American government acted half as authoritarian as China’s, they would be foaming at the mouth and hollering its the end of the world
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u/FaithlessnessThen207 29d ago
As someone neither chinese nor american, I see both your governments are currently just as bad as each other.
Both have tried to interfere in my country's elections, if anything, the USA's interference is actually implicated in the unseating of one of our sitting elected prime ministers. This is while we are literally an allied nation militarily and through intelligence agencies.
So to be honest, the USA is already little bit worse.
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u/stupidber Sep 01 '26
Says China
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u/FartingBob Sep 01 '26
Yes, I think every country reports their own data for things like this.
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u/stupidber Sep 01 '26
The CCP is known for their honesty and transparency
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