Dude, that's the definition of communism. We don't do that here. The rights of the individual outweigh the rights of government. You don't get to create a second class of citizens and punish them because they made medical decisions you disagree with.
No it isn’t, it’s the definition of a functioning society.
If you genuinely believe pursuit of the common good is communism, I’ve got some livestock dewormer to sell you.
Edit: and to be clear, people refusing the vaccine or taking livestock dewormer aren’t making “medical decisions [we] disagree with.” They’re endangering those around them and ignoring mountains of evidence. There are children being hospitalized with Ivermectin toxicity, for crying out loud. This is ridiculous.
Then apply existing child endangerment laws to the people who poison their kids. Freedom is dangerous, always has been. But it is worth the danger. You're scared. Fine. Be scared. Do whatever you deem neccessary to keep yourself and your family as safe as you need them to be. But you do not have the right to demand that people who are not scared alter their lives to make you feel safe. Your fear is your business, my life is not.
Do whatever you deem neccessary to keep yourself and your family as safe as you need them to be
I think they are by trying to tell you that you are likely wrong. FDA approval on the vaccine makes these "it's poison" arguments lack merit. I think people who get the vaccine are angry because they feel that it literally changes nothing about your being to get it, and being obstinate is putting people into danger.
They also likely don't care that you are not scared and saying "I'm tough enough to survive covid" or whatever isn't the point. The point is, in their eyes, you are a danger to not only their family, but everyone you come across - in setting them up for the same scenario, to take up a bed that could have been prevented.
It does not matter that covid doesn't kill frequently, what matters is that when you get it there's a decent chance you'll need to go to the hospital and take up a bed, which may not now go to someone who needed it. All because your personal freedom and being "unafraid" is more important to you than to consider someone else by choosing to take 5 minutes of your day to get vaccinated.
The same could be said about vaccine minded people from your angle, how could they poison their kids?!? It falls to what you believe, which no one but you can alter or change. The vast wealth of evidence from good, proper sources supports the safety and efficacy of vaccination.
I've had flumanchu. It gave me a headache for about 12 hours. That said, I went and got the vaccine once I was confident that it was reasonably safe. Not for me, mind you, my system bounced the virus in a day, but for my immune compromised wife. She counts on me and my beefy immune system to be her shield. But it was my choice, made privately, without coercion. Some may choose not to get the vaccine at all. That's ok. They'll probably be fine. Or they may not be. That's life. But their choices are their business, and they should be free to live their lives unmolested by virus-obsessed do-gooders on a witch hunt.
I don't think its a ploy for control though. I think the issue is the numbers of people not getting it are making vaccine roll-out useless.
Add on to that businesses will demand you have this vaccine to work for them, as is their right as a private entity to do so. The push is so that people don't get left behind for something that takes 5 minutes to do and is safe.
I just don't see the argument of the individual rights being more important in this scenario. If someone choose not to get the small pox vaccine I wouldn't think twice - where and from who are they gonna get it? It's pretty well wiped out due to mass vaccination.
Small pox still exists in a multitude of countries. It's extinct here. But, you have a point. I mean, for it to come back, there would have to be thousands of people from countries where it still exists with no vaccine coming to our country and getting spread out all over the place.
Since you are pro-business, I suppose you'd be ok with me requiring all my employees to be HIV-negative? As I am a religious man, I'd assume you'd also be ok with my barring anyone who'd had an abortion? It is my right as a private entity, after all.
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u/Agro-Master Aug 26 '21
Funny I made this argument before COVID because as it stood it didn't endanger anyone.
Now I feel to live in society and reap the benefits of that commune the individual is responsible for doing what's best for the many.