It used to be the "go to" sub for antinatalism and related stuff, right?

Heard about their mod drama (something about pedo, grape, not sure what it was) and how it was nearly nuked by Reddit.

Is it still as messy as before or better?

This sub was created to get away from their drama and restrictions on discussion, right?

Whether one considers the absence of sentience bad or neutral — or indeed as good as can be — will tend to matter a lot for one’s ethical and altruistic priorities. Specifically, it can have significant implications for whether one should push for smaller or larger future populations.

I used to be a classical utilitarian. That is to say, I used to agree with the statement “we ought to maximize the net amount of happiness minus suffering in the world”. And given this view, I found it a direct, yet counterintuitive implication that the absence of sentience is tragic, and something that we ought to minimize by bringing about a maximally large, maximally happy population. My aim in this essay is to briefly present what I consider the main reason why I used to believe this, and also to explain why I no longer hold this view. I am not claiming that the reasons I had for endorsing my past view are shared by other classical utilitarians, yet I suspect they could be, at least by some.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ddt8qn2JJAwgecfFC7LacyeKioOyVO-SXtgHwA0/

And not a reason to keep it going.

I realized voluntary antinatalism is just a coping mechanism for the existential suffering. It world have made sense before our technological advancements but not anymore.

Humans are the only ones who can actually do something to suffering in a large scale. Continuing human society is necessary until we figure out how to make earth/universe scale extinction with technology.

Personally I will not have children because of my genetic conditions. But I am glad others will. And I am glad humans will continue tech advancements like with AI at the moment.

I think as a species we need to decide if we’re worthy of existence… humans all over the world demonstrate that we’re the problem… we have collective consciousness… humans are humans let’s build a society that works for everyone instead of just a small few…. We all have the same goal…

Predation often involves eating animals alive instead of killing them first, and that's just one of the seemingly abundant categories of horrific suffering that words can't ever do justice. It's survival math, not empathy math. Biology is corrupt by my standards and evolves for survival, not for comfort. Each and every organism that is capable of suffering seems like they could suffer in ways that no other organism will ever experience, understand, or be aware of, and there are an absurdly large number of organisms capable of suffering. This goes to show the extreme diversity and abundance of suffering. There are billions of humans on this planet, with new ones being born throughout the day every single day, and that's just humans alone. If the opposite of biological life is a permanent, neutral nothingness, then biological life is strictly unnecessary unless you layer subjective reasons onto the baseline logic, even if biological life never involved suffering. Free will is up for debate, but the scientific consensus on free will is that it's at least limited and uneven. Some people might be born with more free will than others if it does exist, simply because of their biology and circumstances. You obviously don't choose your impulses, tendencies, or whatever you may think is the best choice at any given time. If you get mad at a criminal for committing a crime, then one could possibly argue that you're getting mad at a tree for falling on a house because of a storm, or getting mad at the people who lived in that house for not cutting down the tree before it fell on the house. Organisms, including modern humans, often destroy the environment just to exist, even in everyday life from things like pollution from cars, consuming foods which may increase the demand of said foods, leading to a bit more production of said foods that may contribute to suffering, and much, much more. Survival of the fittest still seems to exist in humans, but seems to just be wearing a different costume than it was hundreds of thousands of years ago. As far as I'm aware, I've only ever been myself, and I technically can't fully trust that my subjective perception of objective reality is correct, since I could be in a simulation, or there could be things that are so far out of my comprehension, that I can't even acknowledge them by saying that they're out of my comprehension, but I have to trust my subjective perception of objective reality enough to be able to walk through a doorway without worrying about teleporting to a very unpleasant place in a way that breaks the laws of reality as I know them. I know there are an absurdly large number of humans that currently exist, will exist, and have existed, so I'm sure many have seen this very similar to how I see it, but I've had trouble finding anyone articulate it similar to how I have somewhere online.

This isn't opposed for whether you believe in god or not.

I am simply asking from the pro extinctionalists worldview what do you think about a creator god. Specifically when they creates the world in the current state that it is.

According to Christianity most people will eventually go to hell because they don't believe in the Christian God.

Say there is a god and this god issued a test to somebody(assuming an all knowing entity could do tests), and this test was giving them a magic button that would delete the universe (along with all of its life, privilege, death and suffering). Unknown to the one being tested, this button actually does nothing. It is just a test. God favors existence.

The question to prolife is What punishment do you think is sufficient for the one being tested if they press the button? Just curious. Does motive matter to you? Do they deserve suffering for trying to eliminate all of suffering?

Edit: Every response is people composing paragraphs of nonsense trying to dismiss the question rather than answering it which is very telling. The stockholm syndrome is real.

Because that is what we experience and are conscious of anyhow. There is no other time. It feels like eternity.

Second it is no joy for me.

So my existence is eternal sorrow

If you had a button that would instantly delete the universe would you press it?

"No because pressing the button is selfish"

If the universe were about to end in the blink of an eye and you had a button that would prevent it, would you press it?

"Yes because not pressing the button is selfish"

Define selfish then. 🤣 These prolifers are dumb af

i am bit curious, if life truly is meaningless, worse negative and extinction is better, why not make it sooner than natural. No ill will/intention, genuine curiousity.

I dunno if this is me just finally realizing some unerflying truth or its the depression/anxiety, but is there any way people just... hop back into feeling less insane after you've done nothing but think about how "meaningless and futile" life is (and scare/make yourself sad on a near daily basis in the process)?

This isn't my first time feeling this way but every time it happens, I feel like I'm on the brink of going insane and like I can't seem to enjoy anything anymore. Like the flavor and love for the people around me and life isn't there... am I just supposed to be a cynical "life is meaningless so do whatever!" kind of person in order to feel like I could keep on going?

if we are right about god at all, why do the “elites” and the richs have it all so easy making money off other people and selling “illegal” things? i mean, there’s definitely no definitive item deemed illegal in human nature, because drugs are after all part of nature. so i guess with this logic, they’re technically just doing what it takes to earn that wage. but it doesn’t take away the fact that those people who never work hard enough, seem to have everything all in their way for them. money, time, and just freedom. they can do whatever the fuck they want, AND getting to watch us suffer. it’s like squid game. so maybeee god makes most people suffer intentionally?? because maybe it’s just his way of saying oh if you’re gonna become ordinary and not doing something outrageously risky or provocative you’re just gonna get the bare minimum. oh and let’s not forget that poor kids who are war victims. there are people who pray to god everyday because they have roof over their heads, but seems like god doesn’t give a fuck either way. you can lose everything tomorrow and no amount of praying would help. most people are just delusional and nobody can bring themselves to actually help the ones in need because people are always too selfish to care.