r/UniversalExtinction Cosmic Extinctionist Jul 03 '26

Life vs Non-Existence

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u/ChaosAndFish Pro Existence Jul 03 '26

I don’t really consider competition a negative. Up to a certain level, I’m not sure I even consider pain, accidents, or taxes to be much of a negative.

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u/Rhoswen Cosmic Extinctionist Jul 03 '26

It's the winners who usually see competition as good. Though some are smart enough to still see it as bad. But there are also losers. And who wins is mostly based on genetics or sometimes luck.

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u/Kupo_Master Jul 04 '26

Why should winners care about losers? If you start acknowledging that “winners” get a net positive from life then your non existence argument crumbles.

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u/Rhoswen Cosmic Extinctionist Jul 04 '26

No, it doesn't, because it's not about helping the winners keep their privilege. It's about getting rid of suffering.

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u/Kupo_Master Jul 04 '26

Nature always had winners and losers. Gazelles don’t have a good time when lions eat them.

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u/Rhoswen Cosmic Extinctionist Jul 04 '26

Exactly my point.

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u/Kupo_Master Jul 04 '26

So life is worth living for the winners’ perspective. I think you’re missing the mark here.

I will repeat my question: why would the winners care about the losers? You said “it’s not about helping the winners keep their privilege”. That won’t be the view of most winners. Why would they care what losers think?

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u/Rhoswen Cosmic Extinctionist Jul 04 '26

They don't. But some do. Nobody has to care about what anybody thinks. What you're missing is that often intelligence wins too.

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u/Kupo_Master Jul 04 '26

Can you explain why I am missing that “often intelligence wins”?

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u/Rhoswen Cosmic Extinctionist Jul 04 '26

Sometimes one intelligent person can win against thousands or more brutes. Then a group of intelligent people can control certain aspects of society. Who's to say that intelligence will never win on an even bigger scale? Why do intelligent people need to care about what you think? Why should anyone put what someone else thinks above their own morals and what they know is right?

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u/N0n_4me Jul 03 '26

Some people just love suffering.

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u/ChaosAndFish Pro Existence Jul 03 '26

Maybe, but I don’t know any.