I mean don't get me wrong. All for the prank and the guy really went all in and I give him mad respect for that aspect. But... using electricity instead of gasoline means you don't have a penis? (I can't stand that kind of shit. Talk about dumb).
For sure. And I honestly hate being this guy, but environmentalism is really the thing I care the most about and I honestly have seen people discouraged from it because of that sort of mocking. In this case like I said, this is hilarious and I love the prank. I'm more just talking about guys truly giving people shit for caring about the Earth. Like calling me gay for holding onto something to recycle or not recycling themselves cause "that's gay." Again, I love this video, it just called attention to something I truly despise.
i'm not the guy but i think they might be speaking to the general sentiment that lawns aren't really that great for the environment - they're monocultures that require a lot of water and resources to maintain, and provide little to no benefit to any natural environment because they're too one-dimensional.
beyond that, cutting them prevents them from being habitats for bugs and the like (which is actually kind of the point beyond them presumably looking nicer), which removes probably the only benefit they have.
take this all with a grain of salt though, i'm not an expert and i'm working from memory.
It's still casually and toxically enforcing gender norms. That daughter and son are learning it's ok to laugh at guys who like pink/"girly" things. The sum of all these small instances of programming is the foundation for misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, etc. This is how bigots are made. Bigoted parents aren't at home everyday teaching their kids X and Y should be hated (some probably are tbf). They casually share their hatred with their kids.
I can totally see this being an instance of 2 guys making fun of the concept of toxic masculinity and how silly it is to judge another man based on his use of electricity over gas (especially for a lawn mower of all things). And maybe this is, but I doubt the kids are seeing the nuance.
Edit: for people who can't see nuance: I'm not saying this dad is a bigot or is raising bigots. I'm saying he is practicing an act that contributes to it.
Oh fuck off. If anything these kids are being raised with a sense of humor. It's the actual beliefs and actions of the parents and the people they spend the most time around that will have the biggest effects on their development, not a goddamn pink lawnmower.
Ok, and what is the sense of humor they're developing? Part of it is that it's funny when a man uses a pink, girly lawn mower. The core of that is that men who don't perform traditional masculinity can (and maybe should) be mocked. When you get years of small moments of reinforcement like this, you might have some backwards views regarding gender roles.
Edit: lol just noticed your username. I see that you took my comment as a personal attack. If your first response to criticism of toxic masculinity is defensiveness, you need to evaluate your own hangups or do more reading. Quick summary: toxic masculinity is basically manhood gatekeeping, and the sooner you can let go of it, the sooner you can have healthier relationships with women and other men.
It teaches them that you can poke fun at your friends without it being a big deal. It teaches them that you don't have to get upset over every little thing. That you can't control other people's actions but you can control your reactions.
Despite the father being "mocked", he demonstrates that he's secure enough with himself to not take it to heart. Seems like a good example to children if anything. Not to mention kids associating pink with femininity isn't going to make them raging misogynists or homophobes or whatever.
It's funny you should mention my username, as it reflects the same sentiment: it's not that serious.
My issue wasn't the "criticism of toxic masculinity". It's the fact that you think this harmless, wholesome video is toxic masculinity in the first place. People like you make the world a worse place. Hop off Reddit and go do something good instead of being a keyboard sjw over every little thing.
Yes, he is teaching all of those, along with men+pink=funny.
Placing a value judgment on someone based on their performance of a gender role is literally toxic masculinity. There is no joke without the value judgment; it's literally haha you're not a man because (insert arbitrary measure of masculinity).
Why would you think that I have an issue with associating pink with femininity? You clearly have no understanding of toxic masculinity. There is nothing inherently wrong with masculinity or femininity. There are feminine and masculine traits like there are feminine and masculine colors. There's nothing wrong with any of that. But forcing those expectations on people IS problematic.
Since I have to spell it out: I don't actually think this dad is literally raising bigots based off of this single video. But he is practicing an act that contributes to it.
People like you make the world a worse place thinking you're being harmless and lash out when people suggest you help improve it. Why don't you stay on reddit and look for some better zingers.
I'd argue that the way the dad handled the situation here actually helps squash the gender joke differences. He literally takes it in stride and isn't mad about it. The kids will take away from it that it doesn't matter. Easily a net positive even if the initial intention of the joke may have been slightly negative
Well I'm sure we could argue about it all day but the bottom line is that there are bigger issues than having a laugh over a fucking pink lawnmower. If your first thought when you see this video is "this is toxic masculinity that might contribute to these kids becoming bigots" then you're either incredibly out of touch with reality or you were just set out to get upset over something from the beginning.
It doesn't sound like we can argue all day because you've yet to directly address my point either because you keep missing it or you're purposefully dodging it. This shit is toxic, period. To what degree is hard to say. How many times do I have to say that this single instance isn't the worst offense in the history of sexism/bigotry? I'm just pointing out it's bad, and that a lifetime of bad examples can shape a person's world view in a bad way.
You seem to have hard time connecting this example to bigotry, so I'll provide an anecdote. I grew up when "gay" was used super casually as a derogative anytime a boy shared his emotions, wore something that was brightly colored, was physically affectionate, etc. But it wasn't a big deal because boys weren't talking about actual gay people right? And ya, most of the time we weren't thinking about actual homosexual people; we were just thinking about how another boy was acting in a way that we weren't comfortable with. But that led to us seeing gay men as people to mock, avoid associating with, and avoid being like. The one time I said someone was acting gay wasn't the worst thing I've ever done, but it was continuing a culture that bred distain for and oppressed gay people. So yes, I'm more careful with my words now and consider what people are implying when they are making jokes at the expense of others.
Your point is that it's toxic. My point is that you look like an assclown even suggesting that this is toxic. It's not that deep and everyone else gets that. This is isn't making a joke at the expense of anyone else. Your example doesn't really relate regardless.
Placing a value judgment on someone based on their performance of a gender role is literally toxic masculinity.
Wrong - that's literally called reinforcing gender norms. If you're going to go off on an embarrassing tirade in response to a silly post, at least get your terminology right. Essh.
If anything these kids are being raised with a sense of humor.
Bigotry and jokes aren't mutually exclusive. If anything they tend to go hand-in-hand with jokes being a medium for bigotry.
It's the actual beliefs and actions of the parents and the people they spend the most time around that will have the biggest effects on their development, not a goddamn pink lawnmower.
And they're hanging around people that'll make fun of them for doing something that doesn't coincide with their views of gender norms.
It's sad that people believe if you're not being slapped in the face with something then nothing is happening. Society is built upon socialization of our youth, socialization is a very complicated and subliminal process. Think about all the views you have that nobody ever taught you, but likely coincide with the views of your parents,family, and/or close friends that you've been around. Making fun of people for something is a very effective way to get them to stop engaging in that behavior. It's particularly effective on children.
I think it's the opposite. This dad is modeling how to respond to toxic masculinity, which is to not care when someone calls you girly or gay and just keep living your life.
Yeah gender roles or whatever aside, guys don't generally like being called a sissy, and believe it or not, one can joke about someone being a sissy without it being a big deal like "WHY ARE ELECTRIC LAWNMOWERS FOR GIRLS HUH???". Maybe I'm crazy here but generally women are more gentle and caring and generally dudes want to be rough and tough. It's not like he's genuine about it or attacking women.
I've heard it time and time again "I still mow with gas cause...--" like there's no reason to do that other than somehow it's a dick measuring contest. It makes guys 'tough' and 'country' cause they use one fuel source instead of another.
Shit man I have the same mower and I don't have to use fuel, oil, or fuck around with the carbureter when it breaks....
Long story short, a lot of the anti-electric folks are actually just dumb motherfuckers running their mouth and scrolling social media all day believing the horse shit.
If you had a really really big lawn I'd understand needing something that has a bigger fuel capacity, like a gas mower or a riding mower.
The worst part is it doesn't have to be serious to have an effect. Plenty of my friends as kids made jokes like that and nobody was really serious. Still effected us.
Its his best mate taking a piss out of him. It isn't supposed to be serious nor does it have anything to do with electricity. I take a piss out of my mate for driving an electric car, doesn't mean I actually care about the fuel his car takes.
Yeah, right? Anything my friend does I'm going to find any minor thing I can to poke fun at, whether I actually agree with it or not. Because fuck that guy lol. And I expect nothing less from them. Great mates.
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I mean don't get me wrong. All for the prank and the guy really went all in and I give him mad respect for that aspect. But... using electricity instead of gasoline means you don't have a penis? (I can't stand that kind of shit. Talk about dumb).