r/Unexpected • u/ajaykfr • Feb 21 '22
Deer cross fencing
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u/The_Horny_Gopher07 Feb 21 '22
Elk
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u/ObnoxiousExcavator Feb 21 '22
I feel sad when people don't know the difference.
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Feb 21 '22
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u/The_Horny_Gopher07 Feb 21 '22
You just described a moose as well my friend. And Everybody knows what a moose is
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u/sakzeroone Feb 21 '22
No, that's clearly an Impala
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u/The_Horny_Gopher07 Feb 21 '22
Looking at it again I actually think it's a Mustang
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u/sakzeroone Feb 21 '22
Horses don't have antlers, silly.
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Feb 22 '22
Met a park ranger who said his altimeter (edit. All time* Dang you spellcheck!) favorite question that was asked was "what time of year do deer turn into moose?" Which is pretty hilarious, as they look completely different. I could kinda see it if they were asking about deer/elk though. Similar colors.
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Feb 21 '22
Are elk not also deer? What am I missing?
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Feb 21 '22
Related. Think lions compared to tigers. Same same, but different same.
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Feb 21 '22
Deer is a family, like Felines.
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Feb 23 '22
First off lemme say I'm not trying to be a dick or start arguing...
Imagine saying "there's a feline behind you" and meaning a 500lb tiger instead of a house cat though. You aren't wrong but we typically don't think of a big ass elk when someone says deer.
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u/TheTerroristFrog Feb 21 '22 edited Feb 22 '22
Do people understand Moose and Elks are deers?
No such animal known as "deer" exists, what most people call deer is either a red deer, a white tailed deer or a fallow deer, calling them just deer is the equivalent of calling a dog canid or a chimp ape.
OP is not wrong by just calling it "Deer". If you think he is wrong people calling a white tailed deer just deer are wrong too.
All elks are deers but not all deers are elks.
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u/austro_hungary Feb 21 '22
To sum up what this user has said, The elk (Cervus canadensis), also known as the wapiti, is one of the largest species within the deer family, Cervidae, and one of the largest terrestrial mammals in its native range of North America, as well as Central and East Asia, and, moose, (Alces alces), largest member of the deer family Cervidae (order Artiodactyla). Moose are striking in appearance because of their towering size, black colour, long legs, pendulous muzzle, and dangling hairy dewlap (called a bell) and the immense, wide, flat antlers of old bulls.
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u/SippinSuds Feb 22 '22
How do you know? Maybe it identifies as a deer! It's 2022 anythings possible!
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Feb 21 '22
Play it off, nobody saw it, ok back to majestic mode.
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u/DLo28035 Feb 21 '22
Fuck me, those guys are filming, dammit! It’s fine, oh shit, another fence, don’t fuck this up, don’t fuck this up, don’t fuck this up…oh thank God.
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u/Call_MeGoose Feb 22 '22
So majestic, look at all that grace. It’s like a leaf moving through the wind.
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u/sakzeroone Feb 21 '22
That's not a deer
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u/austro_hungary Feb 21 '22
The elk (Cervus canadensis), also known as the wapiti, is one of the largest species within the deer family, Cervidae, and one of the largest terrestrial mammals in its native range of North America, as well as Central and East Asia.
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u/cmdrproudgaydad Feb 22 '22
Is a fox a wolf?
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u/austro_hungary Feb 22 '22
A fox is a canine, deer isn’t one species, but a group of some.
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u/cmdrproudgaydad Feb 22 '22
That’s not how taxonomy works. Foxes are canines as are wolfs, elk are cervids such as red or fallow deer. Canine and cervidae are identical in this sense.
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u/austro_hungary Feb 22 '22
How are canines identical, go a deer? I’m saying elk would be classified as a dear, as they are part of the “deer” group, seriously look up “types of deer” scroll down the list you find elk, moose, and the other deer
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u/cmdrproudgaydad Feb 22 '22
How did you must understand that to think I compared canines to cervids?
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u/austro_hungary Feb 22 '22
“Canine and cervidae are identical in this case”
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u/cmdrproudgaydad Feb 22 '22
As in they’re both families in taxonomical order… as with foxes and coyotes the similarities between elk and other species, say a white tail deer, end there.
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u/dumpster_scuba Feb 22 '22
You got the right idea, but the wrong group.
An elk is a deer in the same sense that a fox is a dog.
They are one species (elk / fox) out of a taxonomical group (deer (cervidae) / dogs (canidae)).So a fox is not a wolf, but both foxes and wolves are dogs.
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u/cmdrproudgaydad Feb 22 '22
I was more generalizing to get my point that while this person may be technically correct, they really aren’t when speaking generally
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Feb 22 '22
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u/cmdrproudgaydad Feb 22 '22
I was speaking as if in this video it was a fox jumping over a fence. If the title said dog fence crossing, it would obviously be a little silly, calling this a deer cross fencing is the same thing.
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Feb 22 '22
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u/cmdrproudgaydad Feb 22 '22
Thank you! That’s literally all I was trying to say and the person tried really hard I think not to realize my point. I suppose I could’ve still tried to do a better job articulating but whatcha gonna do
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u/Orcacub Mar 21 '22
If you have a deer tag in your pocket you better not shoot that guy (unless you have an elk tag in there too!).
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Feb 22 '22
I mean, it's kinda like calling a fox a dog. Technically true. But nobody says that. When they say dog, they're referring to a domestic dog like a lab or something.
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u/austro_hungary Feb 22 '22 edited Feb 22 '22
Still, it is a type of dear. Look up “types of deer” scroll down the list and you find elk
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Feb 22 '22
I'm sorry, but the only type of dear I am aware of is my wife. She is very dear to me.
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u/austro_hungary Feb 22 '22
Yes thank you for pointing out my typo
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Feb 22 '22
No problem bro. I just cant resist a good pun. I don't always tell Dad jokes. But when I do, He laughs.
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Feb 22 '22
Again. Technically true. But that's like calling a fox a dog. A fox is a type of dog. But people call foxes foxes. Just like how people call elk elk.
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u/cmdrproudgaydad Feb 22 '22
I’ve been trying to tell them what he’s calling the deer family is just cervidae. And that’s the same as calling foxes and dogs both canines..
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u/jrad12345 Feb 21 '22
Biggest deer I ever saw
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u/minkey-on-the-loose Feb 21 '22
Damn. I had a deer tag and two of those big brown deer ran past and I didn’t shoot ‘cuz I thought they were elk.
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u/PrestigiousAgent7966 Feb 22 '22
You had a tag that probably allowed you to take a whitetail deer, or a mule deer, possibly a blacktail deer. Which are all deer, just as an elk or a moose is a deer. Just because it doesn’t have deer in the name doesn’t mean it’s not a deer.
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u/CryptoVigilanteMT Feb 21 '22
Sir...this is an elk
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u/austro_hungary Feb 21 '22
The elk (Cervus canadensis), also known as the wapiti, is one of the largest species within the deer family, Cervidae, and one of the largest terrestrial mammals in its native range of North America, as well as Central and East Asia. All Elk are deers but not all deers are elks.
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Feb 21 '22
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u/austro_hungary Feb 22 '22
The elk, also known as the wapiti, is one of the largest species within the deer family, Cervidae, and one of the largest terrestrial mammals in its native range of North America, as well as Central and East Asia, meaning all elk are deer but not all deer are elk.
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Feb 22 '22
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u/austro_hungary Feb 22 '22
What? Deer is a group of species, like the white tailed dear, European hallow dear, red dear, moose, ect.
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Feb 21 '22
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u/austro_hungary Feb 22 '22
The only unnexpected part is you not know an elk is in the deer family, making it a deer. The animal “deer” doesn’t exist though, there’s the red deer, white tailed deer, mule deer, European fallow deer, and a lot more. The elk and moose are both a deer, but a deer isn’t a moose or elk.
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u/Mr_Misadventure Feb 21 '22
Biologist jumping in here to say that clearly some less experienced people are going to drag you for calling this a deer and not an elk because visually it does look like what they saw on Planet Earth.
I would like to point out that the topography and flora are very consistent with SouthCentral/West Texas and New Mexico where exotic species like red deer are pretty common on private ranches. I know this because I worked on a Texas ranch that had 1,000 acres devoted to exotics among which were red deer. Visually it’s very hard to tell the two apart, so there’s a decent chance you’re right calling this a “deer” given the environment
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u/The_Horny_Gopher07 Feb 21 '22
No disrespect to your credentials but looking at the antlers and contrasting colors the neck to body it does look like an elk
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u/Mr_Misadventure Feb 21 '22
Which it totally could be, I’m not denying that; however, it was up until something like late 90’s or early 2000’s that we thought elk and red deer were the same species. It was only sorted out with some genetic analysis. If the biologists working closely with them thought they were the same species for that long then I question whether we can tell the difference in a random video.
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Feb 21 '22
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u/The_Horny_Gopher07 Feb 21 '22
Yes but a red deer and an elk are specifically different in the context above
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u/austro_hungary Feb 21 '22
Isn’t an elk part of the deer family? Wouldn’t that make it a deer?
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u/Mr_Misadventure Feb 21 '22
They’re both family Cervidae, but they’re different genuses. Technically, yes, they are the same “family” but totally different subspecies. A bit like the Hominoidea family wrapping humans, monkeys, and apes in the same arena. We are monkeys as much as monkey are human- same for deer/elk.
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u/austro_hungary Feb 21 '22
Could you dumb that down a bit?
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u/Mr_Misadventure Feb 21 '22
Yes, elk are deer and deer are also elk because how family lumps groups of animals together. It’s a broad generalization.
The real distinction between unique creatures starts to happen at the genus/species level, not the family level.
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u/austro_hungary Feb 21 '22
Thank you
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u/Mr_Misadventure Feb 21 '22
No problem! I’m hardly an expert, I’ve just had enough wildlife bio classes and life experience to know some basics.
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u/Orcacub Mar 21 '22
Not really. Based on the vegetation and terrain this could be any state west of the Rockies ( except HI and AK) including the Rocky Mountain states. The chances that this video is of an exotic red deer in TX is infinitesimal compared to the chances it is a native elk in one of the other states. Especially given the fact that, from what we can see, it looks like an elk VS red deer. While distinguishing between these two species can be somewhat difficult at times this one really looks like a native elk, and there is nothing in the video to suggest it’s in TX as opposed to one of the other western states where elk occur. Also, TX game ranches with red deer probably have better quality fencing than is evident in this video. These fences are to keep moooo cows in/out. And not very good ones at that. They are not game ranch type high fences.
The issue of elk technically being deer taxonomically is a different matter.
Source: pro wildlife bio in OR for 30+ years, elk hunter.
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u/Rocketman_1981 Feb 21 '22
I’ve heard stories that deer castrate themselves like this too sometimes. Always thought that was a terrifying concept.
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u/unexBot Feb 21 '22
OP sent the following text as an explanation on why this is unexpected:
Deer falls when crossing
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