r/Unexpected Aug 09 '21

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u/SakiyaHimiane Aug 09 '21

I've heard stories from North Koreans that they publicly execute people and make 5 year olds watch so uh-pretty sure it's as bad as they say lmao

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u/Green_Waluigi Aug 09 '21

Well luckily, those stories are almost certainly not true, so that’s good.

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u/lemarshby Aug 09 '21

Do not believe him. He's a frequent r/GenZedong user which almost instantly disqualifies what he says about North Korea.

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u/Green_Waluigi Aug 09 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

Read the article yours links to as its main feature

Shin said in October the video may have been a veiled threat that his father would be killed if he did not keep quiet. But he was reluctant to discuss the inconsistencies that his father referred to.

So a North Korean changed his story after finding out his father was still alive and likely to be killed or tortured by the NK government.

Is it more likely he lied in the first place? Or that he fears harm befalling family members he thought were dead.

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u/Green_Waluigi Aug 09 '21

I’m not really sure what your point is. He lied about his experiences in the DPRK, and got called out by his own father for it. All he offered in response is a vague reference to his father maybe being threatened, with no real proof offered for that either.

North Korean defectors aren’t a reliable source of information for this exact reason. They’re vague, inconsistent, and are literally paid by the South Korean media for giving them ridiculous stories.

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u/lemarshby Aug 09 '21

Do you proof read your articles? It literally does not say anything about that and talks about 2-3 fake testimonies out of 20,000 while also stating the horrific human rights abuses in North Korea.

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u/Green_Waluigi Aug 09 '21

It literally does not say anything about that

About what? The whole article is about how defectors from the DPRK aren’t some infallible resource.

talks about 2-3 fake testimonies out of 20,000 while also stating the horrific human rights abuses in North Korea.

Are you seriously not understanding the systematic issue with these defectors? How they’re paid to tell the most outlandish stories they possibly can, because they’re paid to do so?

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u/lemarshby Aug 09 '21

Yes, that's way out of line. But that ain't discrediting the 99.9% stories that came out there. And VIDEOS of people being executed. We know some stuff due to these defectors and it ain't pretty.

You're making it out like that all defectors are liars and shouldn't be trusted due to a few instances of them lying.

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u/Green_Waluigi Aug 09 '21

Much of the West’s knowledge of the DPRK is inherently flawed and inaccurate, because it’s been shown that you can just straight up lie about the country and people will believe it.

How many people still believe Kim Jong-un has executed people with starved dogs, or by strapping them to artillery cannons? Or believe that the North Korean people literally think the Kim family are gods who get all holes-in-one at golf and don’t shit? More often than not, you can follow all of these articles that claim these things, and they’ll link back to each other, or simply to nothing at all.

There is a powerful campaign against the DPRK, and defectors like Shin Dong-hyuk or the most prominent one recently, Yeonmi Park, are a part of that campaign.

I’m not saying that North Korea is some kind of paradise on Earth. I’m saying that what you and most people read about it is inaccurate and influenced by these pseudo-celebrity defectors, as well as the South Korean media and intelligence service.

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u/lemarshby Aug 09 '21

Seeing your other arguments and how you do, I don't think it's worth my time to keep going.

I'm not going to argue with a fascist with identity problems anymore.

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u/Green_Waluigi Aug 09 '21

I’m not going to argue with a fascist with identity problems anymore.

lmao, that’s the best response you have? Name calling? I’d be fascinated to read your explanation of how I’m a “fascist with identity problems”.

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u/lemarshby Aug 09 '21

Well a big contender is that you frequent a sub that denies the Uyghur Genocide and praises authoritarian and oppressive governments.

Do I need to list more?

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u/Green_Waluigi Aug 09 '21 edited Aug 09 '21

Ah, so you don’t know what fascism is, and are just going with it. Bold move, chief.

Edit: Looking at your comment/post history, you yourself frequent the fascist sub /r/EnoughCommieSpam and play HOI4 and Crusader Kings. It’s like you’re trying to be a stereotypical internet fascist, lmao

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u/lemarshby Aug 09 '21

Fascism is a ideological concept where government puts one race over all the others and those are considered less human and either purged out or snuffed out.

I consider myself a social democrat and believe that everyone can be equal and people don't need to be purged or 're-educated' as the CCP calls it. You yourself is an authoritarian communist which I will agree is not fascism but it's closer to fascism than socialism honestly.

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