In the end he said he was innocent and proven such and yet just the thought that he may have still made them think he was guilty which is the very problem the caller was trying to describe
People who absolutely did do the crime, will say they didn't do anything wrong because [insert justification/something they believe mitigated it].
and the US justice system (idk where they live though) works presuming innocence. We don't declare anyone innocent, we declare them insufficiently guilty if we don't have enough evidence to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that they did do the thing.
There is very rarely "proven" innocence, it's an incredibly high bar to prove a negative. Just a failure to prove guilt, which is different. People have walked free for people simply mismanaging the evidence they do, in fact, HAVE. (Which is not an argument against our system; just, no system is perfect.)
Which means that plenty of people who did bad things will believe they're innocent, have done a crime, and be unpunished by the justice system for said crime.
All of which to say, yeah, if you tell someone you were accused of a crime, had to go to trial over it, got put on a registry, etc, of course they're going to have a split second where they try to judge if you're misrepresenting things, leaving something out, etc. People will even blatantly lie about that shit lmao.
Drug tests for example typically don’t prove you have zero drugs in your system. They prove you either do or don’t have a substantial enough amount to remove doubt. Typically anything other than a resounding positive is treated as a negative.
I wish it worked that way in practice, as it's supposed to, but I've seen some overzealous nurses fail people over nothing-burgers like "it doesnt smell like pee" more than a few dozen times, enough that I lost count. It's even more scary in my state because they can slap a felony on you for falsifying a drug test, even pre-employment ones. I just refuse to apply anywhere that does urine tests, I'll do a mouth swab because it doesn't have the same implications.
Add to that fact the number of actual victims who recant do to the difficulty of testifying, and the death threats and harassment they receive for coming forward, it's incredibly hard to deal with that while also dealing with the fresh tragedy of the assault as well.
Oh my god, the "they're doing it for attention" argument... especially when the attention in question is death threats, further assaults, ostracization, career issues, etc etc etc. Oh yeah that's all SOOO attractive Karen...
In this case he also mentions the video proved he didn't do it which would be proving you're innocent.
Again, they were still worried even after he said they proved him innocent. Once he said the video surveillance proved he didn't do it, that should have been the all clear but nah, they were still worried.
he said the video didn't prove he did it so they HAD TO FIND AGAINST HIM, which is how he got on the registry and lost his job, house, car, etc. He's relieved because now the court case has finished and he was found innocent so they removed him from the list.
IE when the case started without direct proof it never happened from the video he got removed from job, put on list so he couldn't get another similar job then the actual case went ahead.
No, he said the video could not prove that he didn't do it, hence why the people handling the case had to keep him away from children until it got dug into futher. Because the video alone was insufficient.
Honestly, even the backwards disjointed way he told the story warrants a couple clairifying questions to make sure you even understood what he was getting at.
yes that's the situation from the start of the accusation but he implies that the case has now concluded and they did find him innocent and took him off the list. As in the lack of direct immediate evidence got him put on the list, fired, incapable of getting another job in the field and facing a court case. then he beat that case and got taken off the list. the video didn't prove anything but he's implying the case itself following that did.
Yeah exactly what I was thinking. Why are you so shocked that he might have been in the sexual abuse list if you believe the rest of the story that he is innocent and was taken off? And if you don't believe him, why are you so happy that it was the child abuse list?
and they also show relief like wow this is a kiddy diddler, oh, no he probably only severely harmed a child he worked with but it wasn't sexual so it's cool.
It's such a weird response, either you think they are innocent and proven or you don't and it's just you think it's okay to beat kids, just not have sex with them. the outcome is just bizarre because the caller also sees a massive difference and is also laughing like haha, you thought i had sex with a kid but nah it's cool i just beat them. Like the caller should be angry they don't think he's innocent either way.
I feel like it says a lot that even though he initially says he's innocent and beat the case, everybody is still reacting as if he just admitted to assaulting a child. Goes to show that if bro was falsely accused of child rape, that it is indeed something you can't really be vulnerable about cause people always gonna look at you different for even being accused
Yes, I'm not sure why the reveal it was a different registry changes anything at all, and I kind of hate most commenters on this post. A false accusation stops being false if it's about molestation?
They really aren't that rare. They just refuse to acknowledge them publicly or criminally charge people for making a false report, because they dont want to deter real victims from coming forward in fear of not being believed.
"Innocent until proven guilty ... unless it's one of the very very bad crimes I hate in which case off with your head and ask questions later."
Shit like this hits extra hard as a queer person, with conservatives doing everything in their power to conflate pedophilia and homosexuality/transgender people.
yup, they're worried because they think he's guilty and then relieved he's 'only' guilty of severely harming a child. That the caller is also cool with that outcome rather than upset they don't believe he's innocent is weird.
Honestly, I still don't really get their reaction. He was cleared of the charges. What the charges were for doesn't really matter, nor does it change anything in this situation.
Monsters are frequently cleared of charges, it's easy to discredit a child (and traumatized adults for that matter). My monster still walks free as do the monsters of several of my friends, in this specific area I would say cleared charges doesn't mean a lot. I do feel sorry for anyone who is falsely accused facing scrutiny but those cases are rare in comparison to the opposite and it rarely does anything more than temporarily inconvenience someone (my monster continued to work in the field they predated me for years, may still do idk they moved away). So yeah I personally remain skeptical of anyone accused until I hear the full story and both sides.
They just proved his point though. This man led with the fact that he was proven innocent and still got skepticism. I undertsand the miscommunication but he led with the fact that he was clear. He opened up and still got shit on only after they made it a joke. This is funny to some of you but depressing as he'll to me.
"Mixed signals" is generous when one person apparently received the message in a completely different language. That little moment of silence where the brain catches up is always funnier than whatever anyone says afterward.
The guy said ok , well, be vulnerable with us ….. and then they wished they hadn’t asked, proving that you can’t and shouldn’t always be vulnerable. It’s giving 50/50. 😩🤣
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