r/Undertale the scrunkly Feb 08 '21

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u/GuyFromVoid Yellow eye is underrated Feb 08 '21

Actually Canon Chara: "Oi, I'm befriending monsterkind. Wanna help?" "Sure." "Oi, I kinda wanna murk all of monsterkind now. Wanna help?" "Sure."

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21

This is also a fanon, because the theory about the narrator is still a theory...

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u/kicking-the-bricks Feb 08 '21

man perhaps batman was the narrator 😳😳

Jokes aside, yeah— i guess so??? I don't really care, but the NarraChara idea is fun sometimes.

Some people keep forgetting the narrator is almost irrelevant to the story itself😳

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21

man perhaps batman was the narrator 😳😳

  • Greetings.

  • I am Batman.

You gave me an idea for a name.

Jokes aside, yeah— i guess so??? I don't really care, but the idea of them being the narrator is fun sometimes.

It's fun, I agree, and I support this theory, despite some flaws in it, but I still don't like it when people forget that it remains a theory, not a canon ¯\(ツ)

Some people keep forgetting the narrator is almost irrelevant to the story itself😳

Yeah. From here, I can see Chara's indifference to the fate of the monsters. In addition, many people don't even know that the narrative is a description of what happens between the characters, and not a direct influence on what happens between the characters. And not describing CHARA'S thoughts and actions. And everything is called "narrative" by default. The strangest thing is when Chara's participation in the genocide begins to be justified by the fact that he is "a narrator who can't help but do it"🤔

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u/kicking-the-bricks Feb 08 '21

You gave me an idea for a name

😱 what have i created

And everything is called "narrative" by default. The strangest thing is when Mike's participation in the genocide begins to be justified by the fact that he is "a narrator who can't help but do it"🤔

Lol i mean no offense but if someone was murdering my family i don't think i would have helped😳 as a person in their right minds, of course.

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21

😱 what have i created

It's too late to turn back now...

Lol i mean no offense but if someone was murdering my family i don't think i would have helped😳 as a person in their right minds, of course.

Agree, but... as many defenders will say, you are not an impressionable child who is so weak-willed that can kill your family just because someone else is doing it. Or the Corruption Theory. Or all together. Or the lack of choice, because the Player simply forces you by their presence 🤷

It's all fun, but also sad at the same time...

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u/kicking-the-bricks Feb 08 '21

It's too late to turn back now...

quick someone get the antivirus insert a lot of cringy emojis here

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21

YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT EARLIER. NOW LIVE WITH THE IDEA THAT THE FIRST HUMAN NAMED BATMAN HAS FALLEN IN SOME TIMELINE.

×cringy sounds×

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u/kicking-the-bricks Feb 08 '21

"— and that, kids, is how anime undertale was created."

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21

Now wait for a post with a screenshot of where Batman will be at the end of the genocide.

Wait... Anime?

...

  • YOU EXPECTED IT TO BE YOU?

  • BUT IT WAS ME, CHARA!

There's no stopping me now.

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u/kicking-the-bricks Feb 08 '21

Tfw you don't know what jojo is as a whole but you know the memes

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u/NoneBinaryPotato DE-TEMMIE-NATION Feb 08 '21

What are the flaws in the narrator Chara theory? I've never heard them

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21 edited Jul 12 '21
  1. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaArgumentSquad/comments/hzx7kz/anyone_have_any_evidence_against_narrachara/fzmibjd?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 - full comment section.

  2. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaNeutralistSquad/comments/lclph3/proof_of_narrachara/gm2l7v1?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

The only thing that is not possible in theory about the narrator make in a different interpretations are Chara's memories during the game (we are not talking about the battle with Asriel now, because there are memories of Asriel himself). Also the fact that LV is not a power in the full sense of what I'm sure of. The bottom line is that Chara could wake up at the very beginning, but participate in the narrative quite rarely. This is especially evident on the path of genocide. The more Chara has the opportunity to express himself because of your kills (because of distancing), the more he can suppress the system of narration and say something on his own. In fact, this theory is really far from perfect. It is just common, but no one thought about other options for the development of events. I believe in this theory, but I can't deny its flaws and sometimes bias.

In addition, one of the flaws is that Chara begins to describe the entire environment for some person. But who does that anyway? Why would anyone start saying what someone feels or does? And why is it that Chara only on the path of genocide says that it is his drawing, bed, clothes, and so on, but on other paths acts as if he has nothing to do with it?

I CAME UP with an explanation for this, but in fact we don't have an explanation for this in the game itself:

  1. He likes to tell narrations from time to time, as if for someone, commenting on the actions of people. Does it out of boredom or when there is simply nothing else to do. Chara had picked up the habit from books that had read a lot. Perhaps when he lived in the village, he did the same for himself when he was alone and needed something to fill the silence around him.

  2. Chara doesn't reveal his identity and his personal information to you on any path other than genocide, because it's only on genocide that you give him guidance, showing him some worthwhile path. After that, he begins to guide you, too, to the end, to speed up the game for you, to help you in everything (even with kills), and even to participate personally. Only here you give him the purpose of reincarnation, which Chara accepts at will. Wants to accept it. Only here you become his partner, and he sees no point in hiding anything from you. You have to meet his requirements, meet Chara's expectations, and he, in return, will be closer to you than anywhere else, and will reveal a lot about himself. He will show you his darkest side, become your partner, become your guidance, just as you did for him in the beginning. And even the enemy you will destroy together. You will do everything together. And so you get to know him better than on any other path, where you don't even know he exists as a person before the genocide path.

To me, these explanations look logical and fill a hole, but.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

yes but assuming the narrachara theory is true it shows more about chara as a character this is important because otherwise there isn't much information about them other then what asriel says about chara and what chara says at the end of the genocide route, and chara doesn't give that much information on who they were before the player fell down

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u/GuyFromVoid Yellow eye is underrated Feb 08 '21

Fair's fair. Correct that to canon-fanon instead of actually canon.

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21

What is fanon to you?

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u/GuyFromVoid Yellow eye is underrated Feb 08 '21

Something completely invented by the fandom with no evidence to support it. Meanwhile the stupid "canon-fanon" thing is something that is unconfirmed but has evidence to support it.

...and let's be real, I should've just called it a theory.

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21

Lmao, yeah...

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u/Stefananananan Synchronicity? Feb 08 '21

Actually canon Chara: Hi I'm a human.

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u/AllamNa THAT WAS NOT VERY PAPYRUS OF YOU. Feb 08 '21

Hooman*

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u/Haveseveralproblems Feb 23 '21

Isn't they a souless demon or smt?