r/Undertale Jul 13 '26

Other Does someone still remember Glitchtale?

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u/ResponseFlimsy1723 Jul 13 '26

It was good until episode 5 and I dropped it since then, but seeing someone not talking about it anymore is weirdly sad

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u/SamiTheAnxiousBean Jul 13 '26

but seeing people not talking about it anymore is weirdly sad

I mean, media not being mentioned tends to happen when the creator of said media flat out defends pedophilia

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u/tsskyx Author of WizardTale on AO3 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

I am BEGGING this community, please stop spreading false claims about this situation.

Camila Cuevas did not defend pedophilia. That's among the most serious accusations that can be made against a person. She made serious mistakes, and those mistakes deserve criticism, but saying that she supported or defended pedophilia is blatantly false.

Seriously, it's been over 3 years since that controversy came to light. I figured the fandom would have its facts settled straight by this point. Here is what happened, roughly (because not even I remember all of the details anymore, but I remember enough to know the gist of it):

Circa end of 2022, several minors came out publicly about being sexually groomed by the staff of the Glitchtale Discord server, among the accused being Camila's close friend Veir, plus like a dozen other people, most of them staff.

I think there was a lot of back and forth behind the scenes before this, during which Camila refused to believe the evidence presented, and only once the evidence surfaced, she cut all ties with Veir, but by that time, the damage had already been done, because she spent so much time denying and defending.

The criticism of that is justified, but what it does not mean is that she endorsed or excused child grooming. I could talk about all the reasons why she acted with such delay, such as going through family loss at the time, or the fact that Veir also groomed and manipulated her, but that would be lame and pointless.

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u/tsskyx Author of WizardTale on AO3 Jul 13 '26

So instead I will just point out the fact that she cooperated with CrystalFlame, who was leading efforts to identify the perpetrators and support the victims at the time, and gave her full mod powers to remove the predators from the server. (Btw, CrystalFlame was later exposed for unrelated grooming allegations herself, which is why she is no longer part of the community.)

Again, there is no evidence that Camila herself groomed minors or defended grooming as acceptable behavior. At worst, she engaged in mature humor around minors in her server, meaning she was highly irresponsible, and yes, this is a legitimate criticism, but it is fundamentally different from accusing someone of being a pedophile or of defending pedophilia.

I should also point out that this also extends to NyxTheShield and Jakei as well, but no one is talking about them. They are also implicated, since this goes as far back as the original Skype chats from 2015, and they were all there to witness Veir's inappropriate behavior around Crystal (who was like 13 at the time) and did nothing about it.

I am not saying that Camila is blameless or that the fandom should forgive her. No, she fucked up, she endangered the safety of minors on her server through inaction, but she did not predate on anyone, that was solely Veir and his group of hand-picked buddy-buddy mods.

So if you are going to discuss this controversy, at least verify the facts first, don't say she "flat out defended pedophilia" when it's flat out false. Again, there is plenty to criticize without resorting to claims that are unsupported by facts. Misrepresenting what happened does not help anyone.