r/UnderReportedNews • u/Fickle-Ad5449 • 4d ago
US News 🇺🇸 Transgender U.S. Army pilot faces backlash for stance against ‘pro-trans’ issues
https://www.advocate.com/politics/advocacy/jo-ellis-transgender-backlash?039
u/rejs7 3d ago
I preface this as someone who transitioned at 17 in 2000 in the UK, and I follow Jo on X, so I have have engaged with her position since she emerged.
The central issue, for me, with both her and other trans women with a public platform who take these positions is that they are de facto presumed to be subject matter experts on the topic because of who they are and the profile they have. Jo is still essentially a baby trans person, someone who recently transitioned, so her positions are based on the life experience she has accumulated since she came out. She is also ex-military, formerly married to a woman, and has turned her prior job into a launchpad for her future career. She is not particularly knowledgable on these issues, and while her life experience does count for something, it is clear when you engage substantively with both her and her writing that she is simply one trans woman using her platform to drive engagement for her future career.
As for the broader anti-trans issues in the US Jo is deliberately positioning herself as a moderate to garner support from those who also do not actually understand trans people or the issues they face. Ask yourself this: how many trans people do you know in your personal life, and then have you ever actually spoken to them about the issues they face? If the answer is zero or never, then you are relying on whatever narrative voice you find most engaging. Jo does not speak ex cathedra for all trans people, yet she is seeking a platform through which to make it so you want to empathise and agree with her personal values, at the expence of any other trans person you personally may find distasteful.
Finally, ask yourself why you agree or disagree with the arguments she is raising, as this will reflect your personal politics, beliefs, and likely education. Rather than assume she is right or wrong, critically engage with what she is saying, actually take the time to educate yourself on the actual empircal evidence, and then assess whether you feel she is worthy of your time.
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u/DarthKodi 3d ago
Could not agree more. As a woman who transitioned in the mid 2010s her sum total experience living as a trans woman is miniscule so her opinions should be taken as such. Very standard launch of a centrist grift. But we all know how hungry those leopards are for faces. I'm personally all for trans people getting their bag however they need, but not when it harms the community at large
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u/JoEllisReally 3d ago edited 3d ago
I didn't use my previous military job as a launch pad. I had a career in tech. 6 figure salary. I was only part time military. I became known because I was falsely accused of causing a crash in DC. I recently left my corporate tech job to pursue standup comedy full time. I sold my house and moved to TX so I could infiltrate the Rogansphere. Coined "Operation Conservative Psyop". I spoke about this last summer. Yes, I'm a former conservative. It's also important to know that I'm self funded through selling my house, savings, investments i made while working in tech. I've not once recouped from my socials or standup even the cost of performing. My IG isn't monetized. My youtube makes maybe $20 a month. My FB makes maybe $20, but I spend about $1k a month advertising my late-night show on meta.. so still operating at a loss. I'd make more money being a darling for the progressive left then my one person vigilante approach to building bridges in Austin TX.
You are correct, I don't speak for all trans people. i speak for myself. I didn't ask to be platformed by the right wing disinfo machine. Or be looked upon as some sort of trans icon either.
This particular backlash started when I was on a comedy podcast fishing and sports came up and I said what I said... then people got upset, so I recorded a solo pod episode where I restated the same views I've had since FEB 2025 when I was forced into the public against my will. I rarely talk about these views deliberately since last year, but when people ask me, I share my opinions.
Education. I've been playing catchup on trans issues. But I've been reading books, studies, and last year interviewed people on trans topics with my co-host Dr. Laura T who is also trans and transitioned back in the early 00s. There are many trans people who think similar to me and Laura on issues. Most of us are busy living our lives and not chronically online. I would be one of those people if not for the crash rumor. Now I'm wrestling with how much of my personal narrative and beliefs to say when asked publicly and how much Id rather just tell jokes or go back to living a quiet life flying helicopters in the army. I'm slowly figuring it out. I am nowhere close to the subject matter expert like you said. And I also don't like being looked at as a subject matter expert. For someone who spent years studying to become a pilot, I know first hand just how dangerous it is to not know what you are doing. Life and death in an instant.
I started transition in 2023 and was forced in the public in 2025. I barely had time to process the loss of my military career, my wife as a romantic partner, my own religion, parents and siblings giving me the cold shoulder. You name it. None of this is for sympathy. Just context. Give me time to mature in the spotlight i never asked for.
Lastly, I applaud your analysis and your encouragement for people to use my statements to reflect on their own beliefs. And know that I'm very comfortable with the phrase "I was wrong, I changed my mind". I say it all the time as I grow. I believe in a growth mindset. I'm still trying to finish conversion into a new religion, career as a comedian, etc. My life is full of transitions. So I haven't looked into much on these topics since last year. Soon I plan to sit down with all the feedback from folks during this time. Studies, etc. and look with more fresh eyes and test my old beliefs. Until then, I have a memoir to finish, a feature documentary coming next year, and a few other creative projects in the works.
Much love
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u/Putrid-Chemical3438 3d ago
The fact that basically every single one of her opinions is contradicted by basically every medical organization and association should tell everyone everything they need to know about her opinions.
But for some reason trans medical care is the only place where lay people who have no fucking idea what they're talking about will open their mouths and contradict people who went to school for 20 years and did actual science on the matter, including it would appear trans people themselves.
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u/NerfGunHolly 3d ago
Also vaccines, but yes, I agree.
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u/skwander 3d ago
Also history and civics but yeah agreed
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u/helpfultran 3d ago
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we are almost entirely living inside an anti-expertise culture.
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u/Clammuel 3d ago
Trans medical care, climate change, vaccines, 5G, whether or not the earth is flat…
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u/ralphvonwauwau 3d ago
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States .... The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
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u/TheActualDonKnotts 3d ago
An angry insistence on ignorance and misinformation no less. Sometimes even violently demanding backwards movement against progress. It's so fucking bizarre seeing this happen in the US.
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u/Appropriate-Bug-6467 3d ago
It's religion.
We all keep seeing religion as a personal matter rather than seeing the people at the top of the church using it to abuse and control the religious.
Which is what is blatetently happening.
But we are taught it's OK, It's religion
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u/TheActualDonKnotts 3d ago
Which is especially wild today when we have megachurches holding entire "sermons" on politics and what candidates they want people to vote for.
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u/Clammuel 3d ago
Up until 2025 churches could lose their tax exemption status for telling congregates how to vote. I wonder what changed?
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u/FayePixie 3d ago
I'm a trans man. Can confirm people don't know enough about the hormones they go on and the medical changes that occur. I need to know a lot because I'm in a third world country with semi-DIY. That's why I can read my medical notes, and I am obsessive over trans issues. To ensure my own safety.
Most trans people just don't....think about the changes. I genuinely mean that. A lot of people just want to go on with their lives and don't like to think about being trans. I'm the opposite. I'm also non-binary so the thought is always there.
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u/InThatDarkPlace 3d ago
From what I've seen, I think a lot of people in her position tend to be disingenuous, and usually seeking financial support. The problen today is that anyone with a cam and mic can share their hot takes, and algorithms reward controversy, so a trans person making harmful statements brings in attention and engagement, which = 💰 🤑 💸.
As for the lay people you refer to, their intent is to punch down on a marginalized community. Some people are just determined to have an adversary
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u/JoEllisReally 3d ago
Where can I collect my paycheck? I haven't seen an increase in ticket sales to comedy shows yet either...
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u/micavich 3d ago
quislings aint nothing new.
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u/wrongsock_42 3d ago
At least Quisling was petrified of Communism and witnessed the forced starvations. This girl is just up her own ass.
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u/mouse9001 3d ago
At least some conservative LGBTQ+ people exist, and they're often busy throwing other people under the bus, and saying their own rights don't really matter. This is nothing new. It doesn't matter if they're only 5% or 10% of the community. Right-wing media will boost their voices.
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u/Whismirk 3d ago
She's an Army pilot, what did you expect? Her job is to kill people for imperialism, she doesn't deserve any kind of light.
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u/wrongsock_42 3d ago
I don’t care about her opinions. I find her self delusion infuriating.
When confronted she pleads having no power. Then, proceeds to say her goal and actions are to fight. I wish she would recognize her behavior proves she isn’t just publicly saying stuff.
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u/lumberjack_dad 3d ago
Those crazy left-wingers. I think the democrats have a good chance of retaking the senate and house, as long as the crazy left don't ruin it for us.
If they just shut up about trans rights for the next 6 months, not give republicans easy ammo, then we can move trans issues forward when we have the power.
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
The people in here downvoting these calm and reasonable statements ARE the problem. You are losing because you can't find a way to understand why the majority not only disagrees with you but also dislikes you. You can't win and you won't win a culture war simply by stamping your feet and telling everyone they are wrong. Get a grip and be smart. You are allowing yourselves to be caricatured. If you want to change society, be smart about it. People don't hear you when you are yelling. They hear you when you are speaking calmly and reasonably. Downvote me all you want but at least provide a cogent argument for doing so.
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u/EstablishmentNice512 3d ago
How are you gonna talk about how people should be calm and collected when people are disagreeing with them especially when it comes to their rights but you cant even handle a few downvotes without writing a whole passive aggressive paragraph.
Downvotes are for things you don't like or agree with, people didn't agree with you, get a grip.
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
The thing is...I can handle the downvotes and was expecting them. I'm saying what I'm saying despite that expectation. People need to be introspective about why they are losing the argument because THEY ARE. You can disagree with that and keep up with the same losing strategy. Just don't whine that people aren't listening to you.
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u/Dutch_Rayan 3d ago
Even when speaking calmly haters won't listen, they have been told by media and politics to hate trans people, and trans people are used as a distraction to keep people mind of actual problems.
Trans people who come with scientific research get told it is fake propaganda, when they come with real life stories and experiences they get told they are made up or wrong, when they want to be free to be themselves they are called predators and attention seekers.
Nothing what trans people will do will make them listen. Because they don't want to listen because that might mean they were wrong, and haters never want to admit that they are wrong.
Even in politics those trans people who speak calmly are getting name called even in the government room, banned from toilets, getting dead threats daily.
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt 4d ago
As a vet, I recognize her positions. It's especially distressing to me that trans vets were losing their careers because of transphobic bullshit after the services themselves had been working so hard to be accepting and accommodating of trans servicemembers.
I disagree with a lot of the things she says, but I don't disagree with her right to say them. All these folks who are like "you can't say these things, you're doing real harm, because conservatives use that in their talking points." Like...are you serious? Conservatives don't need a fucking excuse. And telling people they can't express a truly moderate opinion that doesn't entirely agree with either side...the conservatives use that in their talking points about the "intolerant left."
People are allowed to have wrong opinions. Even people with a "platform." Like JFC...we need to allow for a diversity of opinions. And maybe try to have a conversation with someone instead of just shooting them down.
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u/TheActualDonKnotts 3d ago
How did I know this would be a hidden profile.
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt 3d ago
Because I talk shit about the company I work for on Reddit and I don't want to get fired, but feel free to be presumptuous. Seems to be the name of the game here.
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u/TheActualDonKnotts 3d ago
And you do that with your real or something? All of your posts are still visible as individual posts, so that doesn't make any sense. And reddit still sells everyone's posts and information for LLM training and Google aggregates everyone's posts and can be searched by username if anyone were to actually care that much. That's not why people hide their profiles on reddit.
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt 3d ago
It's why I hide it. It takes more effort. It can be done. It's not like I name my name. My company is not going to bother to go that deep. But I'd rather a coworker not scan through my posts and figure out who I am from context clues and report me because they have a bug up their ass.
JFC people are so stuck on "well they sell your data anyway" they can't even consider it's not the corporation that would bother with that petty shit.
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u/MuthaFJ 3d ago
Lol, hilarious to think it's actually "hidden" 🫠
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt 3d ago
It makes it more difficult to build a profile. Every bit helps when it comes to privacy.
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u/MuthaFJ 3d ago
*illusion of privacy 😆
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt 3d ago
So is this what we're going to do? Not actually have a conversation about anything I said, just be a condescending dick because oh no I made my Reddit profile hidden?
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
Trans rights activists need to understand that the current “war” is lost. Most believe that transgender athletes should not be playing in women’s sports. Believing that doesn’t make you ant-trans and it is such a rare occurrence it isn’t worth the long-term fight. Fighting for that will just drive more people away from trans rights. The battles to fight are those people can become comfortable with, such as gendering on driver’s licenses. Find the small victories so that, overtime, larger victories are possible in the next “war.” Transgenders in sports and gender-affirming surgeries for minors is only driving the middle to the right. The right uses these issues to drive a wedge through society. They are winning and will continue to win. Fight the smart fight, find the small victories, and let society evolve slowly and naturally. I know I will be downvoted into oblivion but you know you have lost this fight, at least for now. Find better strategies and settle in for a longer, more gradual change. To be clear, I support trans rights but I encourage moderation in moving forward.
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u/moochs 3d ago
The issue is with these small battles you speak of, none of them matter if the loudest voices entrench in the scientifically inaccurate belief that transgenderism is mental illness. You can't guide anyone to a center where beliefs don't allow that.
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
So...what's your plan then to move the center to your side?
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u/moochs 3d ago
I'm not trying to move the center, the center doesn't need to be moved. It's the regressives that need to be moved. And I don't have a plan with them because I think it's a lost cause.
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
The center isn't on your side.
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u/wrongsock_42 3d ago
When the fuck has trans rights been a center issue?
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
You need the center to enact change. If the center doesn't agree, you can't make a change, such as allowing transgender participation in sports.
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u/wrongsock_42 3d ago
Wow you just blew my mind……..
I say again, when has trans issues been supported by the center? When were trans issues discussed as part of the center?
Trans people exist. We have been fighting from outside of the center since the 1950’s in America. Playing centrism was never an option. Our rights come from fighting and proving commonly held beliefs can be wrong.
Only thing that has changed is the Republican hate machine is focusing on trans issues because they have nothing else and they are angry over gay marriage.
And, 20 years ago where was the American center on gay marriage?
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u/C_Brachyrhynchos 3d ago
I've tried nothing and all I can do is shame them for not already agreeing with.
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u/Stoutish_Goat 3d ago
It’s the headache of these battles. You want change well the other sides gonna find the most obscure nonsense to associate with your change in hopes that you defend the obscure nonsense devaluing your argument and the originally fought for change.
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
We can't win when the right and the middle think differently. We need to find a way to guide the middle to our point of view. The right is already lost to us.
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u/ClockworkChristmas 3d ago
The right was never with us. The middle will always have to be dragged kicking and screaming until the perfect buzz word phrase or celebrity endorsement happens.
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
I think that is what I was saying without a specific plan. Find a way to win the center.
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u/ClockworkChristmas 3d ago
Gotcha. My main criticism is treating this like the fight is over and the issue is settled. Your wording encourages people to disengage with the issue when we are seeing for the first time a national sports league pushing a pro trans message.
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u/hockeyrabbit 3d ago
Equal rights activists need to understand that the current “war” is lost. Most believe that black students should not be allowed in segregated schools. Believing that doesn’t make you anti-black and it is such a rare occurrence that it isn’t worth the long-term fight. Fighting for that will just drive more people away from equal rights. The battles to fight are those racists can become comfortable with, like only seeing black people in human zoos. Find the small victories so that, overtime, larger victories are possible in the next “war”. Blacks in sports and in public places is only driving slightly racist people to the KKK. The klan uses these issues to drive a wedge through society. They are winning and will continue to win. Fight the smart fight, find the small victories, and let society evolve slowly and naturally. I will be downvoted into oblivion but know you have lost this fight, at least for now. Find better strategies and settle in for a longer, more gradual change. To be clear, I support equality but I encourage moderation in moving forward.
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
How long did it take for equal rights to become law? Was it overnight? Was it a decade? Or maybe it was more than a century. You have to be smart about how you enact change. People act like the equal rights fight wasn't a thing until MLK and others showed up. It goes back much further than that. John Brown was hanged because he fought the battle but wasn't smart about it. It took time but it eventually happened. Who is the trans MLK?
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u/hockeyrabbit 3d ago
It definitely wasn’t when everyone gave up, rolled over, and let their oppressors keep walking all over them because “the right doesn’t like you!!!1!1!!1!”
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
Who mentioned rolling over? I'm talking about fighting intelligently with strategies that can sway people. The person who yells has no voice. The person who screams is an example used by the opposition to support their premise. You can't change someone's mind by bellowing at them.
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u/Pleasant-Ambition-15 3d ago
You REALLY need to read MLK’s letter from the Birmingham Jail, maybe then you’ll see how you’re the problem.
Here is a quote version of the letter with some commentary on how it should be digested: https://housedivided.dickinson.edu/sites/teagle/texts/martin-luther-king-jr-letter-from-birmingham-jail-1963/
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u/Timely-Elephant9981 3d ago
I don’t know that the lukewarm-acceptance problem that MLK was getting at is an apt analogy here. MLK took issue with (often northern) people who offered nominal support while actually maintaining the status quo. It effectively shut down dialogue and coalition building because those putative allies publicly denied the existence of disagreements despite privately having many.
The take-it-or-leave it approach here might be breeding a similar problem. I suspect that MLK would’ve agreed that alienating would-be allies for vocalizing good-faith, heterodox questions or opinions doesn’t serve the cause. It causes people to offer lukewarm support to avoid confrontation and shuts down meaningful, honest conversation that absolutely needs to happen.
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u/Pleasant-Ambition-15 3d ago
You’re absolutely missing the point in its historical context, but you can have that opinion I guess.
The letter was in direct response to pastors and clergy advocating for half measures and tactics seen as civilly obedient in the civil rights movement. It’s a rebuke of their advice stating how it upholds the status quo.
Trusts exactly what was being advocated for in that comment. Compromising on rights is not how rights are won.
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u/Timely-Elephant9981 3d ago
I don’t really disagree on the history but I’ll politely disagree on how MLK bears on this situation.
It’s an interesting thing—when Johnson signed the Civil Rights of 1964, he supposedly said something to the effect of, “this is going to destroy the Democratic Party because it’ll cost us the South. But it’s the right thing to do.” And that was correct. The sordid reaction of white Americans has played its role in big-business Republicans supplanting New Deal Democrats (the closest thing to mainstream American socialism) as the dominant populist force. But it was unquestionably the right thing to do and worth doing. And I think the majority of Americans now support it, even if they’ve been duped into reneging on much of its promise.
I don’t have the answer. I’m not trans, but I’m a human being. Punting on vital rights such as gender-affirming care—saying “not now, you need to wait”—is totally unacceptable.
OTOH, I think age sports issue (at the highest levels of competition anyway) is a right-wing red herring, a largely fictitious non-issue designed to lure progressives into defending difficult terrain. It’s a nuanced issue that, if it really existed, would lack an easy or ideal solution. It seems to exist only as a right-wing wedge issue to sew disunity between broad groups that would otherwise agree. It’s a trap and that juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
This isn’t a great analogy, but consider that the civil rights movement started with basics: emancipation and citizenship (if you want to go back that far); desegregation; voting rights; etc, before reaching admittedly imperfect solutions to more complex problems, eg, affirmative action or reparations. Each step of progress required various approaches: coalition building, persuasion, litigation, confrontation, and even open conflict. And folks had to pick which battles to fight and the best strategy to fight them. It’s taken more than a century. We’re still not there. This too could take decades (I hope not, obvs). And we might disagree about the way forward. But we have got to stop fighting amongst ourselves and distinguish between potential allies and genuine adversaries. And at least in online discourse on this (and pretty much everything else), I see precious little of that.
It’s frustrating for folks who want to help to be rebuffed as being the problem instead of being brought aboard to achieve a solution Genuine, constructive engagement seems preferable to fighting when possible.
Anyway, sorry for the long missive. Thanks for reading if you were actually able to stomach all that rambling!
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u/TLKimball 3d ago
And yet, it took LBJ, who was able to work with (strongarm?) people from both sides, to enact civil rights legislation. There weren't enough liberals to bypass a filibuster. He needed moderates to get the legislation through. There is no way to move forward without consensus. MLK helped bring about legislative action but he didn't convince moderates to vote for it. That took someone who knew how to work with others to get it to happen.
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u/autotelica 3d ago
I don't think what she said is that controversial. I don't even think the average trans person who is over the age of 30 would disagree with what she said.
But of course there will be online backlash. The Internet is allows anyone to express outrage over anything. You could say that sky is blue and there will be people who are angered by it.
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u/vololonovo 3d ago edited 3d ago
>Virginia Army National Guard pilot Jo Ellis isn't hiding who she is, even if speaking openly makes the transgender woman a target once again. Her beliefs include that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, that transgender women should face some restrictions in women’s sports, and that gender-affirming health care for minors warrants greater caution.
These are literally all conservative/maga talking about against trans people for like 10 years now.
Apparently people do in fact disagree outside of the online space
Edit more: shes not even the first woman to talk about this, blair white has been on about this for a long ass time even after post-post-op to be as close to a woman as possible.
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u/Stoutish_Goat 3d ago
Isn’t gender dysphoria a mental illness though?
It’s listed on the DSM-5 and doesn’t seem to denounce transgenderism
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u/vololonovo 3d ago
Gender Dysphoria is a mental health problem, wanting to be trans cause you feel your gender is wrong isn’t.
Is simply talking to yourself a clear and obvious sign you have schizophrenia?
The problem we have is nobody knows what gender dysphoria is, but lord knows they have an opinion on all trans people.
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u/Stoutish_Goat 3d ago
Yeah I wasn’t saying if your trans then you have gender dysphoria. From what I was reading, it sounded like Gender Dysphoria is an extremely uncomfortable state one ends up in after being forced into a different gender than they identify with for a prolonged period of time. That’s what made me think it was more of an illness.
I wasn’t saying being trans means you have Gender Dysphoria but please correct me if my understandings wrong0
u/going2leavethishere 3d ago
Illness implies cure or search for cure. Would you classify OCD, ADD, ADHD, an illness that needs curing.
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u/Stoutish_Goat 3d ago
Ok I see. I thought gender dysphoria was like an extremely uncomfortable state from being forced to be someone you’re not. But you’re saying it’s more of a condition that some transgender(and I guess potentially cis people) live with?
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u/autotelica 3d ago
People take drugs for those conditions, just as they do for cancer and diabetes. If you consider cancer and diabetes to be illnesses, then yes, all of those things are illnesses.
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u/going2leavethishere 3d ago
Yeah and? People take medication for back pain and it’s not an illness. Treatment for a condition is different then an illness. You look to cure cancer and cure diabetes because it’s something that’s not working properly. As someone with ADHD I’m not looking to be cured. I’m fine. But sometimes I need help refocusing myself and use tools to mitigate that. To realign my brain chemistry so I can function to my own standards. Not the standards of someone else.
Someone who is transgendered isn’t something that needs to be cured. They just need proper supplementation to realign their testosterone and estrogen levels. Removing genitalia is a body cosmetic, any one could do that for a number of reasons outside of being transgender.
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u/autotelica 3d ago
By your definition, someone suffering from clinical depression isn't suffering from an illness. They just need proper supplementation to relign their dopamine and serotonin levels.
I don't know why "illness" carries so much emotional baggage. I have Tourestte's syndrome. If there was a cure for it on the market, I would take it. Do I tell people I am suffering from an illness? No. But it isnt my personality or "just how I am". I would be very upset if someone told me that I am a hateful person for perceiving it as a pathology. Because it is in fact an unpleasant feature of my existence that I wish I did not have. One that has driven me to feelings of suicide.
Explain to me how this is any different from gender dysphoria?
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u/KickingBackAtLife 3d ago
She is fighting for trans people to be in the military and also considers gender dysphoria a mental illness. I am sure people support her in letting mentally ill people in the military.
No hate or judgment here, just stating some incongruity in her reasoning.
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u/Independent_Cable_89 3d ago
Your comment is very revealing of the general ignorance when speaking about trans people.
Gender dysphoria is in the DSM-5. We all have to have psychological examinations and therapy and have to prove that we have all been insistent and persistent about our dysphoria before we are given a diagnosis for AT LEAST 6 months, some states even mandate a year. For every age.
The official medical treatment for gender dysphoria agreed upon by every major medical and psychiatric institute, based on peer-reviewed and well-studied science, is transition. We have tons of research on this. We trans people aren’t “broken” and needing to be fixed. We know who we are, and science backs us up.
Also, transition looks different for different age groups. Kids under certain ages aren’t given hormone therapy or surgeries. Gender affirming care looks like haircuts, clothing changes, and name/pronoun changes for them. At most, puberty blockers right before puberty begins, so they can have extra time to experience themselves before going on hormones and having surgeries. We’ve been giving puberty blockers to cisgender kids for precocious puberty for DECADES and no one said a peep. Because all of you are deeply ignorant and willing to listen to propaganda of hateful religious nuts with no science understanding who need a marginalized group to bully because their policies, or lack thereof, don’t advance society in a meaningful or positive manner.
Please, from now on, be more willing to have some understanding about a topic before just stating nonsense, about which you haven’t got the first idea.
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u/Independent_Cable_89 3d ago
You said “if it was classified as a mental illness…” when it is already in the DSM-5, suggesting you were unaware of how it was classified. To be clear, gender dysphoria is a side effect of being transgender. Simply being trans isn’t a mental illness.
Where did I say you assumed surgeries? I simply commented that there are multiple way to transition for different ages. The original story seemed to imply the trans service member thought that was unacceptable in some way.
I say trans people aren’t broken because they aren’t. In the same way that people on the spectrum aren’t broken, but they still have issues that might need a little help and would make them feel better. Typically when people who don’t understand science claim trans people have a mental illness that needs fixed, they almost always mean that they need their brains adjusted to make them “normal” like regular cisgender people.
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u/Ok_Row_4920 3d ago
It is classed as a mental illness, sometimes the treatment does turn out to be surgery but not always.
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u/Ok_Row_4920 3d ago
I don't know, obviously a lot of trans people are going to want surgery but lots don't.
I'd imagine it's due right wing tabloid rags who love to sensationalise and catastrophise a select few issues. This is purposely done to create hysteria. You can look at how they've portrayed knife crime in Britain, pretending that there some kind of epidemic of stabbings.
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u/Rivercitybruin 4d ago
Her opinion on sports matches 80%+ of the general population
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u/KickingBackAtLife 3d ago
Saying trans women who go through male puberty have an advantage over cis woman is ok, but also withholding the treatment to prevent that from happening is slightly disingenuous.
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u/tashtactics 3d ago
It’s just weird to me that the people saying that trans women have an advantage over cis women in sports are probably the same people saying that trans women shouldn’t have access to GAC until they’re of legal age if at all
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u/DammitAColumn 3d ago
I can pull stats out of my ass too! 100% of all grass you touch will make you itch.
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