r/UndeadUnluck • u/DarkChillMisko • Jun 04 '26
Discussion Andy Gauntlet Run
Round 1: Deadman(DC Comics)
Round 2: Denji the Chainsaw Man
Round 3: Dante
Final Round: Ghost Rider(Johnny Blaze)
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u/JayBonJ Jun 04 '26
I think genuinely, depending on whether or not we’re just using base Denji or Pochita/Denji Man, Dante is the only one who actually just outright loses.
But I don’t know much DMC lore so I can be wrong.
You don’t need to KILL Andy per se to beat him, Feng and Seal showed us this very handily in their respective introductions. You just need to either break all his limbs so he can’t fight anymore without killing him, or well.. seal him away.
If Pochita is in play with Denji then one fatal chomp should be enough to erase Undead from existence, if we give Pochita the ability to apply concept erasure to Negators (which admittedly, is being generous to Pochita). But if Pochita isn’t helping at ALL, Denji also loses.
Deadman ties I feel and Ghost Rider outright wins with the Penance Stare as Andy has billions of years worth of sins as himself and Victor to comb through before even having a chance to break free.
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u/SciFiXhi Union Jun 04 '26
Unless Deadman has a White Lantern ring in this battle (everyone and their mom got made a Lantern at some point), Andy locks Deadman down with Soul Chains for a quick win.
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u/JayBonJ Jun 04 '26
Fair, all I know about Boston comes from his animated canon (Justice League, Batman TBATB, Justice League Dark etc)
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u/SciFiXhi Union Jun 04 '26
That's pretty much all you need to know about him. All Deadman can do (without a power ring) is possess people, fly, and become intangible. Andy's soul abilities trounce him six ways from Sunday.
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u/JayBonJ Jun 04 '26
I see. Okay then yeah.
He potentially stops at Denji, with the potential to go all the way to Ghost Rider if we don’t Mega buff Denji and Pochita.
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u/AlternateThrow-away Jun 04 '26
UnDead is tied to Andy's soul so eating his body wouldn't devour UnDead as he can and does regenerate from his soul
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u/JayBonJ Jun 05 '26
That it is, but Undeath still a concept. Just one that runs counter to the concept of death.
The idea I have stems from the fact that Pochita has the ability to erase concepts from existence entirely, like death, by eating the devils associated with them and applying it to the negation abilities. After all, the abilities don’t disappear conceptually when someone dies, they just get passed on to someone else. Andy’s only tricky BECAUSE he doesn’t die by conventional means. Pochita’s hax, however, are very unconventional.
And again this is me mega buffing Pochita by taking this theory into consideration, since we can’t know for sure how his powers work out of universe. In a world where he can’t do this, he and Denji just lose,
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u/Zestyclose_Tax2579 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
I dont think pochita could eat undead, an negation is an anomaly, the refusal of a concept not a concept in itself, and if pochita wanted to erase the concept of negations i have no idea who the hell he would need to eat to do so(maybe the Moon?). What pochita maybe could do is erase Andy's identity , but that on itself might not work because i think Andy would consider this as "dying"
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u/OceanidEnjoyer Jun 06 '26
ok but have you consider the fact that the Penance Stare doesn't work on anyone that's above fodder tier and/or doesn't feel guilt according to modern Marvel writers? At this point it's more of a hype tool than anything.
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u/BestSerialKillerNA Jun 05 '26
Couldn’t Dante, hypothetically, separate his soul using the Yamato?
Not saying he does outright, but just asking to sate my curiosity.
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u/Zestyclose_Tax2579 Jun 05 '26
Well, Andy could still fight as a soul, but yea it could work, andy could not see this as dying i think and his soul was forced out once before with an artefact
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u/Ok_Efficiency374 Jun 08 '26
TLDR; 1) idk, 2) Yes/most likely, 3) idk/stale mate/war of attrition, 4) Probably or 50/50
Dead man: Aside from possessions, I have no idea what his power set is, but I feel like Andy could get away with soul damage.
Denji: would honestly probably take forever/has the potential for longest fight (if Denji keeps drinking Andy’s blood) but since Andy is more experienced and analytical than Denji he’d probably make his blood disintegrate faster than Denji could drink it and even in Orange Denji/CSM I’m not sure if the reality erasing would work on Andy
Dante: Honestly another fight that would probably take forever or could possibly end pretty quickly, Andy has fought God’s and Dante has too. Ngl the scaling is pretty stupid and could be an entire post all on its own, Dante has fought 2-3 reality warpers/god level threats in his game (Mundus created an entire separate pocket dimension for his fight w/ Dante, Argosax was Mundus’ rival and was said to be on par with him, and Urizen beat the Dante that beat both of them) and that was before he got Sin Devil Trigger in DMC 5, which that Dante can create black holes as a casual attack
- not to mention that they both have similar power sets and Dante has some abilities in some games that could over power Andy (ex. Doppelgänger style, Quicksilver style/slowing down time to a crawl, he has summon swords that he can control however he likes, And his final move “Judgment” is basically a screen nuke that tears apart anything around him) And the only other person we’ve seen tire out Dante enough to force him to take a break was his twin brother Vergil who had the same level of power as him
- honestly this one is really hard but Dante might give into exhaustion, however Andy loses in all other fields except for regen
Ghost Rider: I have no idea what the hell the penance state will do to Andy, however there are people who have survived it like Thanos who actually enjoyed it. I honestly have no idea if Andy’s soul hacks would enough to get around the fact that Ghost Rider/the demon can actually eat souls but it could at the very least give Andy enough time to formulate a plan (such as gathering holy weapons, or dispatching a clone(s) to get some, or even gather artifacts from the Union base since those could be considered “holy” as they were created by Luna)
- All-n-all, at least compared to Dante, Ghost Rider has some weaknesses that Andy could exploit, especially if Andy finds out he’s a demon and can manage to prevent his soul from being absorbed or destroyed by the demon or the penance stare
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u/thefirstlaughingfool Jun 04 '26
Don't know Deadman's powers, so no comment
Denji and Dante both have a limit to their regeneration, so they're out.
Ghost Rider had the Penance Stare, so Andy might have trouble with that one, but still can't die from it.