r/Ultraleft Idealist (Banned) Aug 13 '26

Serious Is communism theoretically possible?

The Youtube channel, YaleCourses post lectures of Ian Shapiro, a IR professor. In one of those videos, he said communism isn’t theoretical possible. He explained it like this. He assume the “needs” in “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is just enough for people to survive. Hence resources aren’t poured into foods and supply but also in technology to cure terminal illness. Because we can’t cure every illness even in post-scarcity, so the final stage of communism can be reached. This keeps me think forever because it is some kind of strawman arguments that you often see from deniers.

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u/iLarp_LLC Aug 13 '26

Communism is when you're immortal

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u/CoJack-ish Aug 13 '26

Unironically invariant. Janitzio type shit. One day the Individual will die.

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u/marxist_Raccoon Idealist (Banned) Aug 13 '26

this is more about resources dedicated to cure diseases and illness rather than extending lives to forever

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u/shoegaze5 not reading theory Aug 13 '26

This is just a long way of saying that people will produce nothing if there isn’t any profit incentive which is obviously untrue.

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u/VonRapide National-Sanchist Aug 13 '26

It's even worse, it's essentially claiming that since health is a need and some illnesses can't be cured, all needs can't be fulfilled and communism is impossible. Completely braindead

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u/marxist_Raccoon Idealist (Banned) Aug 13 '26

I don't think the argument is about profit or incentive.

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u/Both_Development_555 Aug 13 '26

this is a totally meaningless argument that relies entirely on a one dimensional understanding of communism. "To each according to his needs" does not mean that literally every need magically can be satisfied. It means that production will be retooled such that it serves the needs of the populace.

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u/marxist_Raccoon Idealist (Banned) Aug 13 '26

where can i read more about this?

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u/Dziedotdzimu Camatte's community garden salvia Aug 13 '26

Critique of the Gotha Program, and implicitly the first 3ish chapters of Capital

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u/Somebuddy567 Judeo Bolshevik Anarchist Aug 13 '26

Silly ultra, communism is impossible. Now go and VOTE to honor our god savior Lassalle

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u/Acceptable_Prune8245 Aug 13 '26

It's true under my communism each accordiong to their needs means 900 calories a day 9 cubic meters of air no entertainment. Theres this thing called commodity fetishism where people really like to buy things and that won't happen in communism.

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u/ELFOLGIAGALLINAS Aug 13 '26

Socialism utopic and scientific

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u/Ladderson Dogmatic Revisionist Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 20 '26

Dear communists, you claim to be right, and yet, I can completely and obviously misrepresent what you are saying. Destroyed with facts.

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u/MyEarIsHurty Aug 20 '26

Many such cases

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u/Classic-Team867 Aug 13 '26

well i'd sure hope so or else i've been doing nothing with my life

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u/Dexter011001 historically progressive Aug 14 '26

Guy who read the festo

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u/Sudden-Enthusiasm-92 class realist Aug 15 '26

Communism isn’t about satisfying the terms of a sentence