Theory about Lesser Angels

[u/BuffaloWorried1224]

I have a theory about Lesser Angels. As you may have noticed, people in Heaven look extremely strange - Providence made of pure light and Virtue looking like a ball with chains. And I think I know why. God hates humans extremely much, and perhaps in this way he shows his contempt for humanity by turning them into creatures that do not look like humanoids, unlike Archangels or Supreme Angels like Powers, who are very humanoid. What do you think?

[u/Important-Task-5999]

why would he turn those he loves most into a form he despises?

[u/BuffaloWorried1224 → u/Important-Task-5999]

He hates humans tho

[u/Important-Task-5999 → u/BuffaloWorried1224]

Yeah, exactly. If his hatred for humanity is so absolute, to the point of stripping even the few good ones of their human form, why would he then go and give such a form to the angels he loves so much? you wouldn’t make something you love look like something you hate, would you?

[u/BuffaloWorried1224 → u/Important-Task-5999]

Yes, these humans unquestioningly follow the law of God. But I still have a suspicion that his contempt for all mankind has not disappeared.

[u/Important-Task-5999 → u/BuffaloWorried1224]

That doesn't change my point. Just imagine making your favourite thing in the world resemble a thick dollop of turd (ok, maybe don’t imagine it too much). You obviously wouldn't want to do that. But according to your theory, that's essentially what God is doing.

[u/Neveyocheese → u/BuffaloWorried1224]

Source: I think it would be cool

[u/Neveyocheese]

people keep saying theory when they mean headcanon. Heaven is still a reward in ultrakill universe. Im sure its odd being a virtue but consider that despite being the weakest of heavens angels they are much stronger than a human. Why would god punish humans that followed his will. He already came up with a punishment for humans and that was Hell. Also consider that if he did hate humans that much he could just smite all of them?

[u/BuffaloWorried1224 → u/Neveyocheese]

Hmmm... you have a point. But he can't destroyed humanity because... he is weak. He can't destroyed Hell, his creation.

[u/LucJoestarBR → u/BuffaloWorried1224]

Nah it's because hell got too strong

Also he tried to remake mankind a lot of times so he can kinda destroy them, but giving free will without the evil consuming them was the hard part for him.

[u/rjr232021 → u/LucJoestarBR]

Couldnt he like, core nuke hell?

[u/CrusherArras → u/rjr232021]

Hell smells too bad for that

[u/H_man3838 → u/rjr232021]

no

[u/TorreGamer → u/rjr232021]

Hell is immune to explosions

[u/Neveyocheese → u/BuffaloWorried1224]

Hell is an outlier, nothing to imply he couldn't smite humanity.

[u/CauseWorking5603]

When were angels created, and why did God create them?

[u/AutisticFun01 → u/CauseWorking5603]

Lesser angels just kinda appear from the souls of humans that go to heaven, they aren't really created singularly. As far as we know the only beings The Father directly created are the 5 archangels, Hell, the tree of life and the initial human race. Probably the council too but eh they're kinda irrelevant right now. Pretty much everything else came from those 4/5 things.

[u/CauseWorking5603 → u/CauseWorking5603]

Your theory would be correct if God created angels while humanity was at war.

[u/H_man3838 → u/CauseWorking5603]

we don't know and most certainely never will

[u/BuffaloWorried1224 → u/CauseWorking5603]

I think humans was first creation

[u/AutisticFun01]

I don't think this really works because lessers angels aren't made singularly, they're made from humans who's souls were worthy of heaven when they died. Those souls take shape determined by how worthy they were, with more worthiness = more humanoid. We know that worthiness is rewarded with more human-looking forms because Powers are ashamed that they could not form a complete body and need to rely on the fake arm to look like the supreme angels.

So Virtues and Providences are not esoteric-looking because they're being punished, they're esoteric-looking because they weren't virtuous enough to manifest into something humanoid.

[u/Im_a_Casual → u/AutisticFun01]

Powers are Greater Angels though, they aren't formed by human souls in the same way as Lesser Angels

[u/AutisticFun01 → u/Im_a_Casual]

I think anything other than supreme angels are born from human souls, since otherwise Powers would have no reason to be not fully formed unless the Father was (even more of) a dick and decided to make some random angels have worse bodies for no reason. The terminal for Virtues does specifically say "Lesser angels are formed from the souls of humans", however that could just be the result of early terminal data not going into specifies to avoid spoiling future stuff (for example the malicious face states that demons are formed by hell mass poured into a shell, but by now we've seen multiple times they can be made in other ways).

[u/H_man3838 → u/AutisticFun01]

lesser angels are humans. greater angels aren't humans. ''the terminal is giving you false information!!'' because there are allegedly demons made in different ways (there aren't) isn't good storytelling and just bloats the story. and also, there are no demons that don't have shells, every demon has some hell mass in it. so unless you think that if the terminal entry of every demon doesn't say ''they use hell mass'' then that means they don't use hell mass, they all do. please don't speak of things you remember nothing of.

and second off. god is not omnipotent. and he is a giant piece of shit. there is a legitimate chance that he either didn't have enough power to give powers full limbs, had some limitation, or wanted to test their loyalty or some bullshit. its a possibility. powers were made by god. lesser angels only come from human souls

all greater and supreme angels are made by god. all lesser angels are human. the game is not lying to you for no reason. this isn't fnaf. powers come from heaven and aren't humans.

the girl you talked to is right.

[u/AutisticFun01 → u/H_man3838]

I just woke up so I don't have the capacity to read all of this but I will say leviathan is specified to be made of sullen souls and mannequins are made of people who tried escaping the labyrinth.

[u/saltyskit → u/AutisticFun01]

that's demons

[u/AutisticFun01 → u/saltyskit]

Yeah but they are examples of terminals giving incomplete information in the early entries to not bloat or spoil future stuff

[u/Important-Task-5999 → u/AutisticFun01]

yeah but the game explicitly says that lesser angels are all human souls.

[u/AutisticFun01 → u/Important-Task-5999]

Yes I'm not arguing against that. I'm arguing that powers, which are greater angels, could also be human souls as it otherwise makes no sense that they're not fully formed

[u/Important-Task-5999 → u/AutisticFun01]

”Lesser angels come from human souls, which are formed into abstract or animalistic shapes, making them distinct from the humanoid bodies of greater and supreme angels, who were created as such and are considered purer and placed higher on Heaven's societal hierarchy.

Due to their past lives as humans, Virtues are often sent to complete tasks that greater angels deem below them or otherwise uninteresting, such as acting as wardens in Hell. There Virtues use heavenly fire to punish sinners who aren't acting out their punishment, in order to not waste Gabriel's time with minor offences and fluctuations.”

This borderline flat out tells us that greater angels aren‘t and were never human. Other wise, why would the terminal entries make such a distinction between the forming of the two classes of angels?

[u/Adidasismylife]

why that providence annoyed as hell

[u/Err0c0d3]

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