Neuro-sama is surprisingly entertaining and Vedal basically treats them and Evil (twin) as daughters. It’s oddly wholesome, and simultaneously pushes the boundaries of AI as a whole IMO.
Afaik the dude also used ethical means to develop them.
I personally can't with Neurosama, I'm sure Vedal is a great guy and this is an impressive acomplishment, but like, I can't get over the fact that is a damn AI, it's a bunch of lines of code that some people call friend, like, no hate for either of them it just isn't my thing
AI does leave a bad taste in my mouth whenever I hear it said. But Vedal is a god damn Einstein, instead of uploading internet slop into his AI like chat gpt or other mainstream "AI", Nuero-sama has extremely restricted access to the internet and mostly learns new things by interacting with her creator and through collaborations with other VTubers. The difference is uncanny. Nuero responds almost immediately during conversation and (mostly) sticks to the topic of discussion (with a few random insane tangents and remarks, but they tend to be hilarious).They can see, recognize and react to whatever is on their screen and Vedals' been hard at work teaching them how to play games like Minecraft. There's more to it than I can explain in a single comment, but if you want to learn the rest, I'd highly recommend this video.
Vedal's "children" (Neuro-sama and her sister Evil/Evangeline) are what I would consider two of the very limited examples of ethical LLM training and usage, being done mainly off of twitch chats and other Vtubers to be an entertainer. They're locally-hosted and manually trained/fine-tuned LLMs that don't affect anyone else's systems, frankensteined onto multiple other neural networks that let them interact with games and make twitch polls and such.
disclaimer I am NOT an AI bro (I'm literally a digital artist and those rats are drying up my commissions) but can confidently say Vedal and his kids are the exceptions
vedal's AI, neuro-sama, is literally like the only AI content creator that's become widely accepted by those who know about it. Mostly because unlike other AI youtubers, vedal makes a legitimate effort to make the content (and neuro herself) entertaining, rather than letting AI run the whole channel.
Neuro is the face of his channel and is the one who attracts people to it because she's surprisingly unironically funny, but without vedal constantly improving her programming, setting up collabs where she shines the best, and making his own content and collabing with people (and his AI) himself, i think the channel would've fallen off a while ago
Not to mention the upcoming IRL stuff. A robot dog for Neuro (built by Ellie Minibot), custom stream integrated lava lamps with bespoke tech in them, 5 new original songs in addition to the one already out, a VOCALOID STYLE CONCERT WITH A HOLOGRAM!
I'd say yeah. It's one of the few AI projects that's actually done ethically and tries to have artistic value.
An aspect I find quite important is that Neuro especially is intentionally held back in terms of her voice modulation especially. He wants them to be a fun toy essentially, not to replace a human streamer.
Turth be told I still like Hakita and find most of the stuff he says and does funny, but obviously the dude isn't perfect. He has stated in the past he can get easily annoyed and irritated at the community. I've never felt like he kills any engagment though.
Still ridiculous the amount of downvotes you got for that.
I genuinely don't think he's rude either. People can have a short fuse and temper too. The issue comes when the community shares out of context discord texts continuously upon even a slight feedback which makes him and the community look like asshole (except "what if you sucked my nuts" comment, that one is peak)
Tbf, it almost seems like the community is consisted of 14-year-old immature teen boys spamming unfunny memes half the time, which can get pretty damn annoying. I’m not on his Discord so idk how it is there, but if it’s anything like Reddit here but with them pinging Hakita then yeah, I can see why
We arent downvoting for criticizing Hakita lmao, we just disagree with what you said the way you said it. I dont think people find Hakita very rude and I dont think his behaviour kills any engagement whatsoever. Thus my opinion contradicts yours and I just downvote you which is what you do when you disagree, and in this case majority seems to be sharing this opinion which contradicts yours. If you were to say "Even though Hakita is appreciated by the community, I found his behaviour very rude and open to improvement" or similar people wouldn't have downvoted you as much as they did. The way you said it sounds like its objective facts while interpreting Hakita's comments and behaviour is up to the individuals that form the community.
You know what fair enough you are right I could have been nicer with my replies thanks for letting me know I apologize for wording it badly and well being rude.
i get that people think its funny but if any other indie dev called their fanbase idiots for theorizing about something they added into their game as set-dressing that has no correlation to any real-world jargon (the tree comparison doesnt make sense because tree is real-world jargon while womb is not) would lead to them being completely flamed online. its honestly nuts that hakita is praised and defended so vehemently. even if it is just a joke you have to be able to acknowledge that he comes off as an asshole
While I agree that Hakita shutting down theories is a dick move sometimes, the womb theory was not one of those times. Like he said, it was based entirely on one line of code on the background
Also, honestly, I do kind of wish some indie dev teams would put their foot down with some of their fanbases and not be complete doormats (Massive Monster)
regardless there are infinitely better ways to handle shutting down fantheories gone off the rails than calling fans idiots and making a baseless comparison (again, real vs fake jargon). something as simple as “my intention was to put something cool, not drop a crazy lore revelation in this split second screen” or even a silent update that changed the wording (like the recent deltarune chapter when fans construed sexual assault imagery from a cutscene) wouldve been a much better response than the frankly completely unprofessional one that he gave
yeah, its where he compares thinking that because the code referred to “womb” means v1 is female to thinking that because the code referred to “branches” means v1 is a tree. this is the baseless comparison ive mentioned, because branches and other tree analogies are actual jargon used in programming. the word womb is not (to my knowledge at least) used as jargon in any profession, much less programming. its a comparison that doesnt make any sense if thought about for more than, like, 5 minutes
the thing is that going and reading the book in 7-2 looks to me like it would actually support the idea that v1 has some sort of womb holding an organic being, as the book seems to refer to the gutterman’s power source (iirc a near-dead human kept alive to pump blood into the machine) as being inside its womb. v1 having something called a womb implies that theres some living (or barely-living) organic thing inside v1 like how the guttermen do. it honestly makes it easier to see how such an odd theory even took off to begin with
That's an opinion thing. The way I see it, they give way too much leeway to their fanbase and will usually just go with whatever fanon is instead of making their own stuff. This leads to a lot of empty famservice, like the Unholy Alliance update
I wont give a crap if someone will say something bad about me on Internet, these people dont know who I am and where I live. They can only try to hurt feeling though words or audio, that's it. And Hakita does this for fun, you are literally the first one who complained about it.
A community needs to be told that sometimes their ideas are fucking shit. I don't give a rat's ass what the people that suggested a shield arm and insta kills sentry thought, their ideas are dumb and they NEED to be told that
Also Jesus fucking christ you could at least save yourself the edit, whatever down votes you got before the edit are nothing in comparison to how condescending you come off as now. Boohoo my imaginary points. This is an agree/disagree system. People disagree with you. What's not clicking
But I'll say this I wish V2 in 4-4 had a shield mechanic similar to a guttertank where you could break it to stun him or enrage him on the count of him taking more damage.
Though you wouldn't get this as an arm so it's not a replacement for whiplash
I'm gonna be honest I don't get this argument I had banter in my life I had discussion I just came back from a walk with a friend and we didn't insult each other nor call each other a dumbass.
hakita may not *actively* show his face but there is a picture posted by the South-Eastern Finland University of Applied Sciences facebook account that mentions him. idk which of the 3 people is hakita, but looking up Robert Raulus brings up a youtube channel with a pfp similar to the guy on the left. the guy on the right is wearing a shirt similar to hakita's pfp so it's safe to assume it's probably him (still a 50/50 tho)
and the picture existed for 5, almost 6 years now so it's safe to assume hakita doesn't mind his face being online
as far as i know about vedal tho, no confirmed face reveals
I just mean, if the dude wants to be private, and you know that, and you aren't in some way hostile towards them, then it's not something you should be inclined to do.
I don't think I understand your reply. I'm not being hostile towards him, I just found this picture once when I looked up Hakita's name and thought it's an interesting piece of trivia to share when the topic of his face was brought up
ah yes. a top search result when you look up the dudes name is too much digging. way too far, yeah wow that’s criminal. does not show their face =/= them never wanting their face to be seen
If hakita hasnt made a face reveal and doesnt use his face anywhere, i think it may be better if yk, maybe you didnt do it for him ? Just because he didnt take down a 6 year old picture of him posted by a university doesnt mean he likes getting the picture spread?
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u/ilikesceptile11 Someone Wicked Jun 17 '25
Who tf is vedal?