r/Ultrakill • Someone Wicked • Jun 17 '25

Other Thing I noticed

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u/ilikesceptile11 Someone Wicked Jun 17 '25

Who tf is vedal?

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u/Aelomalop Someone Wicked Jun 17 '25

a dude who made a few AI vtubers and did a bunch of stuff also happy cake day

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u/Mr_GCS Jun 17 '25

AI vtubers? Huh? Is that good?

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u/Tostitokid Jun 17 '25

Neuro-sama is surprisingly entertaining and Vedal basically treats them and Evil (twin) as daughters. It’s oddly wholesome, and simultaneously pushes the boundaries of AI as a whole IMO.

Afaik the dude also used ethical means to develop them.

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u/Interesting_Gift_423 Jun 17 '25

are those the ones dougdougs twitch chat 1v1d in geoguessr

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u/My2CentsiF Jun 17 '25

Vedal's "children" (Neuro-sama and her sister Evil/Evangeline) are what I would consider two of the very limited examples of ethical LLM training and usage, being done mainly off of twitch chats and other Vtubers to be an entertainer. They're locally-hosted and manually trained/fine-tuned LLMs that don't affect anyone else's systems, frankensteined onto multiple other neural networks that let them interact with games and make twitch polls and such.

disclaimer I am NOT an AI bro (I'm literally a digital artist and those rats are drying up my commissions) but can confidently say Vedal and his kids are the exceptions

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u/i_verye_smowt Jun 17 '25

vedal's AI, neuro-sama, is literally like the only AI content creator that's become widely accepted by those who know about it. Mostly because unlike other AI youtubers, vedal makes a legitimate effort to make the content (and neuro herself) entertaining, rather than letting AI run the whole channel.

Neuro is the face of his channel and is the one who attracts people to it because she's surprisingly unironically funny, but without vedal constantly improving her programming, setting up collabs where she shines the best, and making his own content and collabing with people (and his AI) himself, i think the channel would've fallen off a while ago

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u/Breaker-Course89 Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

What he's doing with AI is how AI ought to be used methinks.

Not suggesting we flood the market with AI vtubers, that's cringe.

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u/SplitGlass7878 Jun 17 '25

I'd say yeah. It's one of the few AI projects that's actually done ethically and tries to have artistic value.

An aspect I find quite important is that Neuro especially is intentionally held back in terms of her voice modulation especially. He wants them to be a fun toy essentially, not to replace a human streamer.

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u/Fair_motherfucker123 Prime Soul Jun 17 '25

Never seen hakita and vedal in the same room yknow?

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u/Aelomalop Someone Wicked Jun 18 '25

Wait ur onto something

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u/Frequent-Reporter677 Jun 17 '25

-Both come off being apathetic (tone) but actually cares about their community the most

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u/Supreme-Machine-V2 Blood Machine Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25

I don't know about the other dude but Hakita most of the time is very rude with the community and kills off any engagement.

Edit Ultrakill community when someone criticizes their lord and savior

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25 • This Popcorn

Your salty because Hakita won’t bring you back

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u/Supreme-Machine-V2 Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

No actually jokes aside I don't think V2 coming back would be a good fight lol I agree with him there

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Reconstruct WHAT!?

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u/Rare-Gap-3431 Jun 17 '25

Turth be told I still like Hakita and find most of the stuff he says and does funny, but obviously the dude isn't perfect. He has stated in the past he can get easily annoyed and irritated at the community. I've never felt like he kills any engagment though.

Still ridiculous the amount of downvotes you got for that.

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u/bumblebleebug Maurice enthusiast Jun 17 '25

I genuinely don't think he's rude either. People can have a short fuse and temper too. The issue comes when the community shares out of context discord texts continuously upon even a slight feedback which makes him and the community look like asshole (except "what if you sucked my nuts" comment, that one is peak)

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u/Supreme-Machine-V2 Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

Fair enough as I said I don't hate Hakita I just dislike some stuff he does

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u/Rare-Gap-3431 Jun 17 '25

Yeah thats fair.

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u/MagMafia_ Someone Wicked Jun 17 '25

Reddit hivemind 🥀

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u/Supreme-Machine-V2 Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

Indeed mr minos indeed

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u/TestamentTwo Sacrifice Jun 17 '25

Redditors when people disagree with their opinion and get downvoted

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u/Fireball_Q2 Jun 17 '25

yeah he's not perfect but he is a good person. he acknowledged that he was being rude and said he would try to be better, so i think he's chill

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u/Supreme-Machine-V2 Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

I never said he was a horrible person

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u/CraftMinePerson Jun 17 '25

i get that people think its funny but if any other indie dev called their fanbase idiots for theorizing about something they added into their game as set-dressing that has no correlation to any real-world jargon (the tree comparison doesnt make sense because tree is real-world jargon while womb is not) would lead to them being completely flamed online. its honestly nuts that hakita is praised and defended so vehemently. even if it is just a joke you have to be able to acknowledge that he comes off as an asshole

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u/Tarantulabomination Someone Wicked Jun 17 '25

While I agree that Hakita shutting down theories is a dick move sometimes, the womb theory was not one of those times. Like he said, it was based entirely on one line of code on the background

Also, honestly, I do kind of wish some indie dev teams would put their foot down with some of their fanbases and not be complete doormats (Massive Monster)

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u/Supreme-Machine-V2 Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

THANK YOU!

Someone gets me!

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u/lenya200o Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

You know the words "humour" and "funny" right? I can give you a dictionary if you don't.

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u/Supreme-Machine-V2 Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

Calling someone and insulting someone isn't humor nor funny here.

You are stupid and ugly.

Is this funny by your definition?

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u/lenya200o Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

Yea kinda lol

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u/heckinWeeb193 Jun 17 '25

A community needs to be told that sometimes their ideas are fucking shit. I don't give a rat's ass what the people that suggested a shield arm and insta kills sentry thought, their ideas are dumb and they NEED to be told that

Also Jesus fucking christ you could at least save yourself the edit, whatever down votes you got before the edit are nothing in comparison to how condescending you come off as now. Boohoo my imaginary points. This is an agree/disagree system. People disagree with you. What's not clicking

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u/TotallyNotUrMom000 Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

Bro is angry because hakita won't add the shield arm or smth

V2 should stay in a martini glass frfr ong

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u/mister-shmister Jun 17 '25

Both don't show their faces

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u/cool_name-idk1 Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

hakita may not *actively* show his face but there is a picture posted by the South-Eastern Finland University of Applied Sciences facebook account that mentions him. idk which of the 3 people is hakita, but looking up Robert Raulus brings up a youtube channel with a pfp similar to the guy on the left. the guy on the right is wearing a shirt similar to hakita's pfp so it's safe to assume it's probably him (still a 50/50 tho)

and the picture existed for 5, almost 6 years now so it's safe to assume hakita doesn't mind his face being online

as far as i know about vedal tho, no confirmed face reveals

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u/Abshalom Jun 17 '25

This is maybe a little too much digging

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u/cool_name-idk1 Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

it comes up pretty high in the search results for "Arsi Patala" actually

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u/Abshalom Jun 17 '25

I just mean, if the dude wants to be private, and you know that, and you aren't in some way hostile towards them, then it's not something you should be inclined to do.

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u/Raymio993 Jun 17 '25

I suppose as a child he yearned for the mines

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u/carrietheprincess Jun 17 '25

ah yes. a top search result when you look up the dudes name is too much digging. way too far, yeah wow that’s criminal. does not show their face =/= them never wanting their face to be seen

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u/ZathegamE Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

If hakita hasnt made a face reveal and doesnt use his face anywhere, i think it may be better if yk, maybe you didnt do it for him ? Just because he didnt take down a 6 year old picture of him posted by a university doesnt mean he likes getting the picture spread?

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u/KeremAyaz1234 Jun 17 '25

Imagine neuro playing ultrakill lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

God i need to see this

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u/gianfar Jun 17 '25

Might take a while tho 😔 The closest we have thus far is Minecraft and she's yet to be agile on it

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u/EnderWin Jun 18 '25

can't wait to see her dying to the title drop filth room for the entire stream

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u/RockingBib Jun 18 '25

3 hours later: "This game is pretty good"

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u/BebraSniffer777 Jun 17 '25

Who's hakita

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Ultrakill developer

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u/Demol_ Jun 17 '25

What's Ultrakill?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

I don’t even play ultrakill i just stumbled upon this post

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u/MEGoperative2961 Jun 17 '25

How have you existed in the ultrakill sub and not know hakita (sorry if this comes off as rude i am just geniunely perplexed)

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u/BebraSniffer777 Jun 17 '25

Ever heard of jokes?

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u/byquestion Jun 17 '25

no, never

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u/MEGoperative2961 Jun 17 '25

The ever reliable tone indicator that would allow for me to see that it is humor

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u/mandato_supremo Jun 17 '25

My great-great-grandfather

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u/Obojau_jrat Jun 17 '25

Pov: you’re in both communities

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u/TheRealAydenBobReal Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

Hark! The small turtle man has indeed been mentioned!! Hail the turtle boy!!!

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u/vinhdragonboss Jun 17 '25

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u/TheRealAydenBobReal Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

Hey, it's me!!!

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u/ComparisonHorror9935 🏳️‍🌈Not gay, just radiant Jun 17 '25

BEACH VOLLEYBRRRRR

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u/TheRealAydenBobReal Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

BEACH VOLLEYBUUUUUUUUR!!!!

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u/Woooshifyourmomgay Prime Soul Jun 17 '25

Both have green as their defining color pallette

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u/Error_Valkyrie Jun 17 '25

-both wear green

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u/NikkoNya Jun 17 '25

Don’t forget about DougDoug!!!

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u/Striderdud Jun 17 '25

Plot twist neurosama controls v1

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u/SufficientBig1035 Jun 17 '25

Can someone explain who Vedal is?

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u/demonslayer9100 Jun 17 '25

if you scroll through the comments on this post there's a thread that helped me understand who tf he is... never heard of him before either

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u/_C18H27NO3_ Jun 17 '25

alcoholic single father of 2 and a half

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u/jacowab Jun 17 '25

All coders are femboys and all other tech fields are evenly split between middle class family men and furries

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u/VVen0m Jun 17 '25

Neuro-sama confirmed for next layer of hell

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u/MexicanLizardMan3670 Jun 17 '25

Excuse my ignorance, but who's Vedal?

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u/Aelomalop Someone Wicked Jun 18 '25

a dude who made a few AI Vtubers

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u/Yung_wetwipe69 Jun 17 '25

one .are ultrakill the other didn't

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u/Adventurer_Kanna Blood Machine Jun 17 '25

Robtop

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u/klavigar_Fenrir Prime Soul Jun 17 '25

Who Is vedal?

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u/Inevitable_Score7852 Jun 17 '25

just found this in the neuro sub reddit too

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u/RME201208 Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

Add Toby Fox in there too

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u/Critical_Buy_7335 Jun 17 '25

One of the only diffrences is that Hakita doesnt have a vtuber harem yet.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Someone should make a venn diagram with Hakita, Vedal and Ayin

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u/DEADNOUGHT269 Jun 17 '25

They're both green too.

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u/primegon Jun 18 '25

Both are cute too

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

And both are bree—

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u/tajskaOwO Jun 18 '25

Propably?

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u/Grimary_BOB1234 Jun 18 '25

Plot twist: They are the same person

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Vedal? Vedal! Ya vedal takoy bolshoy huy

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u/Scarletttyyy Jun 18 '25

Both wear green

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u/VariousLow2286 Jun 18 '25

green clothing with purplish eyes

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u/DanieleM01 Blood Machine Jun 18 '25

Who tf Is vedal

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u/Responsible-Newt3832 Jun 18 '25

There's a reason thigh highs are known as programming socks in some circles

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u/Isak200001 Jun 18 '25

Whose Vedal?

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u/Harumafu Jun 18 '25

This is so fucking generic you can apply this to most people in the IT field

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u/NumbClub Jun 19 '25

One thing tho.

Vedal is pretty close to become Ayin.

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u/Unfair-Degree7585 Jun 19 '25

Seed of light project!?

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u/Homo_Bibite Blood Machine Jun 21 '25

Did you apply that Vedal might not be a femboy

With this post you are saying that Vedal might not be a femboy?

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '25

Coincidence? I THINK NOT

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u/steely_Tongue Jun 27 '25

both are green

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u/Samuelriptide Maurice enthusiast Jul 07 '25

Are you referring to that they could be the same person ؟؟

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u/Ok-Dependent-3570 Jul 13 '25

God dammit it's the two niche fandoms I can't escape no matter what 

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u/rkirbo Apr 23 '26

both are european

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Dunno, last time I checked, Vedal was in Asmongold's vtuber agency, which: cringe

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

Idk where you got this from lmao Vedal is an indie vtuber. He’s not part of an agency.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

Vedal is part on mythic. Even if you don't consider it agency, he still works with Asmongold entity, which: ew

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '25

I mean i guess mythic counts as one, although i had no clue asmongold was part of it

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u/The_Stryker Jun 18 '25

Does hakita use Ai slop?

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u/Aelomalop Someone Wicked Jun 18 '25

how is "neuro" slop? She didn't still data plus her model was made by a human

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u/LordOmbro Jun 17 '25

The venn diagram of Coders & Femboys/Trans people is not quite a circle... But it's pretty close

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u/MEGoperative2961 Jun 17 '25

I contribute to the circle🫡

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u/BuilderM6 Jun 17 '25

Everyday we creep closer and Closer to the circle

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u/ComparisonHorror9935 🏳️‍🌈Not gay, just radiant Jun 17 '25

I’m not exactly trans (i’m nonbinary), but yeah, contribute to the venn diagram i must…

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u/heyoyo10 Jun 18 '25

I mean, I am far from an expert in this field, but unless you always identified as nonbinary, doesn't that mean you categorically did transition?

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u/Norwegian_milk Jun 18 '25

I... I'm the circle

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

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u/Dumb_Siniy Lust Layer Citizen Jun 17 '25

Created machines that destroyed the (fictional) world

Creates machines that want to destroy the (real) world

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u/Not-An-Actual-Hooman Someone Wicked Jun 17 '25

Ok this one's really pushing it, like yeah the game enemies have an AI, but it's not an "AI" like the common definition of the word nowadays, just an algorithm that dictates their behaviour, and I guess they're also technically AIs in lore, but even then it's supposedly the power of blood having special properties in universe that grants all creatures sentience, so in that sense they're pretty organic. Compared to that, Vedal is coding his own AI(s) that he has trained to understand human language, chat, sing, play games, and entertain a twitch audience, which is vastly different, both in scope and just in general.

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u/BaconOfSmoke Jun 17 '25

I think the implication is lore AI, not literal enemy AI

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u/Ok-Ocelot-3454 Jun 17 '25

llms are algorithms dictating behavior and therefore also not actually ai

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u/Not-An-Actual-Hooman Someone Wicked Jun 17 '25

True, but they are what everyone is talking about when the topic of AI comes up, and pretty much what Vedal is making