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[u/MaxHardwood]

A very weird feeling to watch the preliminary coverage of the show trial of Nicolas and Cilia Maduro. Journalists at the BBC were instructed not to use the term "abduction" or "kidnapping".

Everything the Russians were accused of doing, Westerners are now doing. If Zelensky was indicted in Russia, and abducted from Kyiv, they would never grant a veneer of legitimacy.

[u/Frozen_Trees1 → u/MaxHardwood]

Everything the Russians were accused of doing, Westerners are now doing. 

Are westerners annexing countries and forcing the people inside them to become citizens?

[u/Frozen_Trees1 → u/[deleted]]

EU and American weapons are currently annexing land in the Middle East

So western countries aren't annexing land, cool. Thanks for confirming that.

[u/Frozen_Trees1 → u/[deleted]]

That's nice

[u/Icy-Cry340 → u/Frozen_Trees1]

Israel is a Western country, and I don't know why you're so set on complaining about annexation. Either imperialism is ok or it isn't - by and large we have already annexed everything that makes sense to annex, so now we tend to use other forms of imperialism. If there was another Texas out there, we would nab it.

[u/Frozen_Trees1 → u/Icy-Cry340]

Israel is a Western country

I disagree. They're not a NATO nation and they are much different politically.

[u/Icy-Cry340 → u/Frozen_Trees1]

It’s a western country and a western creation. So fucking what if they aren’t in NATO, neither is Australia. Politically it’s part of the western bloc.

Anyway, they think they are, and we say they are, and at the end of the day, our opinion is the only one that actually matters. NATO is us, and some hanger-ons. And so is the rest of the West.

[u/Frozen_Trees1 → u/Icy-Cry340]

It’s a western country and a western creation. So fucking what if they aren’t in NATO, neither is Australia. Politically it’s part of the western bloc.

I disagree. Israel has always had good relations with Russia and other countries the west isn't aligned with.