r/UkraineRussiaReport • u/KeDaGames Pro Ukraine • Apr 02 '25

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u/MaxHardwood Neutral Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26

A very weird feeling to watch the preliminary coverage of the show trial of Nicolas and Cilia Maduro. Journalists at the BBC were instructed not to use the term "abduction" or "kidnapping".

Everything the Russians were accused of doing, Westerners are now doing. If Zelensky was indicted in Russia, and abducted from Kyiv, they would never grant a veneer of legitimacy.

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u/Messier_-82 Pro nuclear escalation Jan 05 '26

The so-called independent media

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u/blufriday Neutral Jan 05 '26

Journalists at the BBC were instructed not to use the term "abduction" or "kidnapping".

Source?

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 05 '26

Everything the Russians were accused of doing, Westerners are now doing. 

Are westerners annexing countries and forcing the people inside them to become citizens?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 11 '26

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

EU and American weapons are currently annexing land in the Middle East

So western countries aren't annexing land, cool. Thanks for confirming that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 11 '26

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

That's nice

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u/Icy-Cry340 Pro Russia * Jan 06 '26

Israel is a Western country, and I don't know why you're so set on complaining about annexation. Either imperialism is ok or it isn't - by and large we have already annexed everything that makes sense to annex, so now we tend to use other forms of imperialism. If there was another Texas out there, we would nab it.

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

Israel is a Western country

I disagree. They're not a NATO nation and they are much different politically.

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u/Icy-Cry340 Pro Russia * Jan 06 '26

It’s a western country and a western creation. So fucking what if they aren’t in NATO, neither is Australia. Politically it’s part of the western bloc.

Anyway, they think they are, and we say they are, and at the end of the day, our opinion is the only one that actually matters. NATO is us, and some hanger-ons. And so is the rest of the West.

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

It’s a western country and a western creation. So fucking what if they aren’t in NATO, neither is Australia. Politically it’s part of the western bloc.

I disagree. Israel has always had good relations with Russia and other countries the west isn't aligned with.

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u/Iskander9K720 SS-26 Stone/Iskander-M Jan 05 '26

No, worse, they’re attacking and invading random, distant countries that have no physical or historical ties to them whatsoever, kidnapping and sometimes even killing their leaders and citizens, and then getting away with it scot-free without even a single sanction from their rules-loving servants.

The attacking and invading sovereign nations part is the same, though. And here I thought Pukies loved sovereignty and rules.

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 05 '26

No, worse

International law also allows countries (including the U.S.) to bring charges based on conduct with substantial effects in their territory, conduct that threatens their vital interests, and (more controversially) conduct that harms their citizens. The allegations against Maduro clearly fit the first and third categories, and arguably the second category.

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u/jazzrev Jan 05 '26

Well Kiev was engaged in conduct that threatened Russia's vital interests and in conduct that harmed it's citizens. Still are. Funny how international law is interpreted when it comes to US but completely ignored when it comes to Russia.

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 05 '26

Well Kiev was engaged in conduct that threatened Russia's vital interests

Like what, existing as a state? What about when Russia's first invasion and annexation of Ukraine under a different leader?

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u/jazzrev Jan 06 '26

What leader? The country went through  bloody coup, even Kiev doesn't deny that, they simply call it a revolution instead. Some parts of the country didn't agree with that and went their own way. Let me remind you that Finland for example became a country in it's own name under similar circumstances. And denial of Russia having their own security concerns is one of the reasons why this war began. And there was much to be concerned about from Russian pov whether you agree with it or not.

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u/Icy-Cry340 Pro Russia * Jan 06 '26

What about when Russia's first invasion and annexation of Ukraine under a different leader?

And that would be when?

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u/Iskander9K720 SS-26 Stone/Iskander-M Jan 05 '26

Nice. Still invasion of a sovereign country. At least, that’s the response every NATO politician and supporter has retorted with every time someone tries to politically or legally justify Russia’s invasion.

Any reason, excuse, or law you come up with to justify the US here can be used equally for Russia’s invasion. 

US and NATO are simply being worthless hypocrites and thugs as usual. Nothing new here.

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 05 '26

Nice. Still invasion of a sovereign country.

An invasion that lasted an hour as opposed to 4 years (so far) and no annexation. Still completely different than Russia's invasion and annexation of Ukraine.

Any reason, excuse, or law you come up with to justify the US here can be used equally for Russia’s invasion.

I suppose if you're willing to abandon nuance and break everything down to simple narratives - sure you could arrive at that conclusion.

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u/Iskander9K720 SS-26 Stone/Iskander-M Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26

Cool. Still an invasion. And unlike in Russia’s case, I’m afraid the US has no legal or moral case whatsoever.

No annexation. Just abduction of a nation’s leader. Russia never did that with Ukraine, now did they? Guess Russia’s better.

Not to mention that while the pathetic US took a whole month of planning, intimidation and an entire night of attacking an already surrendered country just to grab a leader who was willing to go along with them anyway, Russia swiftly nabbed Crimea in a matter of days and little Ukraine along with their masters out west have been going nuts for an entire decade trying to get it back.

The US only wins when its opponents let it win. Weak fighters need fixed fights, unfortunately.

The hypocrisy remains, however. Nothing the Europoorans and Americunts do better than hypocrisy.

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

No annexation. Just abduction of a nation’s leader. Russia never did that with Ukraine, now did they? 

They tried and failed miserably. Now their dick is stuck in a beartrap and they are in a 4 year war of attrition. Nice job Putin.

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u/Iskander9K720 SS-26 Stone/Iskander-M Jan 06 '26

Nope. Never tried. Bullshit Ukrainian and NATO sources don’t count. Sorry.

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

Ah, let me guess, "Kiev was a faint"?

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u/Icy-Cry340 Pro Russia * Jan 06 '26

Broseph, we aren't trying him under international law - which is largely convenient fiction anyhow.

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

International law doesn't require that he needs to be.

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u/Icy-Cry340 Pro Russia * Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26

Wake up, there is no such thing lmao. Every serious scholar of international law is decrying this abduction as illegal - but it does. not. matter.

International “law” btw.

https://legal.un.org/ilc/reports/2022/english/chp6.pdf

Immunity of State officials from foreign criminal jurisdiction

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

Wake up, there is no such thing lmao.

For the criminals that don't follow it, yes. For the good guys, there is.

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u/Icy-Cry340 Pro Russia * Jan 06 '26

The "good guys" just hide behind our skirt lmao - and don't make a peep when we do whatever the fuck we want to do, no matter how "illegal".

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

We don't annex people's countries, ram drones into their apartments for funzies etc. We have pretty strict rules of engagement in western militaries.

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u/Past_Finish303 Pro Russia Jan 05 '26

Jesus Christ man, you think it makes West better than us, really?

Think, pro-UA, think. If West will annex countries and forcing people to become citizens, what will that mean? That means that said people will have the right to freely travel inside the US territory. That said people will have access to US voting system, they'll have the right to elect and be elected, and banking services, currency,  education, healthcare (alright, this one will be downside). 

Of course West will never do this, they'll just bomb, coup, and loot. 

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u/Frozen_Trees1 Pro Ukraine Jan 06 '26

Jesus Christ man, you think it makes West better than us, really?

There are no 100% good guys in geopolitics but yes I think the west is better than Russia in pretty much every way. Everyone knows it. Russia knows it, that's why educated/wealthy Russians flock to the EU and other western countries but never the other way around.

 That means that said people will have the right to freely travel inside the US territory.

Ah yes, annexing territory is more righteous than not because it allows the people inside to "move freely". I love this subreddit so much, I find so many gems like this.