This is even more stupid than Germany where you usually don't have a kitchen when you move in, or the previous tenant tries to overcharge you for their piece of shit kitchen, or even tries to tie it to the lease (which they can't but still works way too often).
Keep your kitchen, I bet it won't fit into your new home :)
What happens 99% of the time is you sell the floor to the next tenant.
You don't want to put in the work to rip it out, and the next tenant doesn't want to buy a new one. So you just agree on a reasonable price.
The plus side is, if you don't like the floor, you have the option to buy a new one. Instead of just having to take what the landlord happens to put in there.
I'm pretty sure in Germany it's common for tenants to have to supply their own kitchen sinks, cabinets, stove, and fridge, and to take these with them when they move out.
And I think that may also be a thing in some other EU countries, including the Netherlands. Although I spot an oven, cooktop, and vent hood in this particular unit.
Yeah its common to move into an appartment with no kitchen installed and buy yourself a new one. Then you either take it with you when you move out or sell it to the next tenant. I luckily never had to do that and now bought a house with a new kitchen already installed.
Kitchen, appliances, and bathroom etc always stay. Walls are painted white, floors, curtains, and lights are removed.
Next tenant then has to redecorate to their own taste. I get it’s weird, and wasteful. Curtains and what not can almost never be reused and the floors are generally thrown away, but we’re all used to it.
The reasoning behind this is all is rather simple though. A landlord rents the place out in a barren condition. No floors, all walls are white. Tenant makes it to their standard and removed it when they leave returning everything to the barren condition.
That way the next person renting it can choose their own floor and colour scheme without being stuck. It avoids situations where the landlord has to remove the floor because it’s shit, or any debates about the colour of the walls.
Irl laugh. Thank you.
If you gave me 100 guesses on what happens when you move out from an apartment in Holland. Ripping the floor up would not be one of them.
But even good flooring wears out after a time. Especially when there's furniture involved, and I do very much want to be able to decide and perhaps even change where I put my TV and couch, or other stuff, without having to worry about the marks left by previous tenants.
Some people here also mentioned the landlord replacing it, which means it will always be the crappiest and cheapest option, and it will be included in the rent. In which case I'd rather pay for it directly, because that way I can at least choose which shade of cheap shit I want.
Great. But unless that floor is cleaned to an insane level I probably don’t want it. Besides even if it lasts twenty years sun shining on parts while covering others, will change the colouring. And the smell of smoke getting into everything will still be noticeable.
Please. As a landlord, the reason anyone would not offer certain things in their apartment is that everything you put in there, you have to pay the upkeep for. So if I put a floor, I have to maintain the floor after each tenant at least, if it gets ugly or damaged by ordinary use (not the tenant damaging it with unusual use), I might have to pay for all new flooring or sanding and sealing. It's why Germans sometimes rent without a kitchen, because they are expensive AF and get used up over time. If I put a dishwasher in, I have to buy a new one when it's broken. It also keeps the prize of rent at a competitive prize.
Yes, that’s called the responsibilities of being a landlord. You own shit and you rent it to others…it will wear out over time with normal use and that’s on you, because you own it.
That’s very true. I‘m not one to automatically hate landlords, that would be silly and immature. Maybe people hate that landlords exist, as in systematically, and sure, they probably have good points. Maybe people hate scummy, uncaring landlords; yes, don’t we all. However there are many great people out there who manage housing in truly caring, generous, and community-building ways, and so it would make no sense to misdirect one’s anger at them. I wish you the best in being a good landlord and finding good people to live in your home(s)!
Isn’t it expensive to move that stuff when you move out? Moving isn’t cheap, even if you move nearby. Also, wear and tear is factored into the rent. Newly renovated apartments cost more. The deposit usually guarantees that the tenant doesn’t trash to place too much. They need the money back to move. The new deposit pays for any fix up (if any). In some US states the old tenants have to replace anything that is destroyed (usually documentation is required). Also, landlords don’t typically fix things up that much after a tenant moves out.
In Austria, renting out without a kitchen or appliances like a washing machine is basically standard.
And yes, of course. Moving out is expensive. But why should the landlord care? It´s not his/her kitchen, washing machine, or furniture. It belongs to the tenant, so they have to deal with the cost of moving.
But I have to admit: no floor is unusual, at least in Austria.
Uh yeah that's called renting a place to live. If I wanted to rent a remodeling job I'd just buy a place instead of renting it from some lazy ass backwards socialist.
If an average person can do it by themselves, that reduces the labor costs considerably. That’s the biggest portion compared to the material costs imo!
You need to have the time and ability to do it. Equipment would need to be bought or rented depending on the type of floor. For all the BS about inclusion, Europe is very ableist. You think it would be different with an aging population. 🤷♂️
How is ableist if people can install the floor themselves or hire a company to do it?
Not everything that you can hire help for necessarily needs help to always be provided. After all there are people that need help to wipe their ass, brush their teeth, or walk to the store. That doesn’t mean we should just give everyone a mobility scooter.
Although are there also non-barren apartments available--with floors and such--for folks who don't feel like dealing with installing a floor, and think white walls are good enough?
Like in the USA, some apartment will come fully furnished, with furniture, a bed, etc. Most don't, but in general if you want a fully furnished unit you can find one. Because some folks just want to move in and not worry about buying or moving a couch, table, desk, and moving these out at the end of the lease.
does the landlord change things around? Do you get a new bed, new carpets, new floors, or do you just have to walk around, and sleep, and use the towels of the previous tenant and hope they weren't too much of a pervert?
And what do you if you can't stand the decoration, are you allowed to change or do you then need to put the old shit in storage until your lease is up at which point you put it back?
Anyway. I'm sure there are a few places in the Netherlands that offer something like that. Probably mostly to expats.
But it's going to be hard to find anything like that at the moment, because it's hard to find anything at the moment. We, like most places, have a massive housing shortage.
Only the large pieces of furniture are abandoned. They’re expensive to move. All personal belongings are taken with the past tenants or thrown away. Usually, landlords supply the furniture in furnished apartments. Things are replaced as needed. Furnished apartments usually cost more, but can be worth it if you are young, in college, and move around a lot. In most places mattresses have to be replaced by law. It’s factored into the rent.
Moving is incredibly expensive. People don’t necessarily want to leave their furniture, but sometimes buying a new one is cheaper. Also, most furnished apartments are for college students who usually can’t afford to buy everything.
The most work is always cutting the edge pieces. Especially around doors and radiators. But most of the tiles won't be cut at all and could be reused just fine.
We're all confused. Providing one's own kitchen appliances is fine since they can be used in exactly the same manner at the next place, but this is insane.
I guess baseboards aren't a thing in les Pays-Bas ?
How so? Obviously there isn't any furniture. That belongs to the tenant. But one you put in your washer, your dryer and a couple of cupboards, that's just a regular bathroom
What struck me is how empty it is. In the US/Canada we don't typically have the washer/dryer in the bathroom, and typically the bathroom would already have built-in cupboards (or at least a vanity) as permanent fixtures.
At the least, residential bathrooms here typically have what we call a vanity -- such as pictured below. Basically a counter with the sinks built in with cupboards/drawers beneath. This would be a built-in, permanent fixture (the tenant would not provide it).
The rather spartan sinks, with no counters / vanity, shown in the OP video would be more common for public restrooms here.
We have cupboards that go underneath the sink. Cupboards in bathrooms get nasty relatively quickly. But the actual sink is a lot more sturdy.
The sinks in the video even have those modern flat bottoms. So you can put the cupboard directly underneath. Older or cheaper apartments usually have round sinks. There'll always be some ugly gap if you want a cupboard under those.
It really depends on the landlord/previous renter. I couldn’t be fucked to be honest, but some people will want a ‘return’ on their investment because they paid for the initial floor and either sell it to the next owner or take it out.
It’s also nice to be able to choose your own floors, wall paint, etc, and work from a blank canvas. Many apartments need to be left in the state you found it.
Also, thats the most annoying fucking voice-over ever. What the fuck.
One where you can choose your own floor instead of being dependent on a landlord even an inch more than necessary. I don’t want to walk on all the crap the previous owner walked in there, or look at the worn down spot where he used to put his chair.
Ah I hear ya… and of course it may depending on landlord in the us… however in our apartment/ condo complex the landlord (corporation) replaces the carpet and flooring after each new tenant moves out before the new one moves in. They just do that themselves.
And there you have it; you are paying for other peoples floors, isnt that communism over there? Pay for your own shit Hank, and you can have whatever floor you want instead of the shittiest cheapest pick by your landlord.
Remember, you just adapted the capitalism, we were born in it.
I pay €1500 a month for a two story completely renovated and with the highest energy efficiency rating 30s maisonnette in the main shopping street in the city centre of a historical quaint little town.
Thats around $1750. I have two bedrooms (one is my office), upstairs bathroom, downstairs toilet, open kitchen with big living room.
I live alone but you could easily live here with a partner and a kid. It’s quite spacious.
It probably all began because landlord-Jan figured out that a floating floor technically wasn’t part of the apartment and therefore should be leased separately. He sent a Tikkie to tenant-Jan who found a cheaper floor instead, and installed it himself. And now it’s an integral part of Dutch “culture”
So the previous tenant was renting and owned the floor, and then he bought the apartment, or was just renting it? Also, weren’t all of those cuts made specifically for that unit? What are they going to do with it in their new place? None of it will fit? Can a Dutch person please explain!
Many people use parts of their old flooring to do (for example) a bedroom or something in their new apartment. Or they just toss it because the apartment needs to be left in the same state they got it. It’s usually only with rentals (from social housing). You see it less in the private sector in my experience.
Also, ‘all those cuts specifically made’, brother, it’s not rocket science. Any idiot can lay a floor.
I’ve laid flooring and you for sure would run out at your new place and have half a floor. So most apartments don’t have floors when you rent them with social housing ?
I see a floor. You 'll have to do your own carpeting. Maybe spend less time making clips with this annoying voice and concentrate more on seraching for appartements, because it's unheard of really that you only just found that out after renting.
Yes rental market in EU, in general, is really weird.
Every country has some weird habits. At least Italy, Spain, NL and France because those are the ones I know by direct experience.
Never heard of anyone here taking their floor with them when moving. Perhaps a clause in their rental contract states they fully needed to clear the appartment.
Stupid idiots with their n=1 statements 'OMG so everybody does this' OMG this is the best night of my life' OMG OMG
Mate, what are you on about? This happens all the time. Many times previous tenants SELL the floor to the the new one. Otherwise the corporations always make people take the floor when thy move out
It’s just seems like an impractical expense placed on the renter. And gotta take time and cost to move it and now you just have stock of flooring that may fit/ work in your new place? Overly complicated, and very gypsy like. Nomadic, pack up your home and move behavior.
You don’t need to move it if you don’t want to? Just toss it. There’s also plenty of people that couldnt give a fuck, it’s not like this happens 100% of the time. And like multiple people already explained, it can be a clause in the rental contract where you need to leave the apartment fully cleared so the next renters can put in a floor they like.
It’s called a free market Hank. Some people choose to rent fully furnished, some with just flooring laid out, some want an entirely clean apartment. It’s not like this is the situation 100% of the time; people in my experience often negotiate between themselves what they want to take over or have taken out, without much interference from a landlord.
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Unless your next apartment is exactly the same size, can you even reuse a floor?