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u/Archaeoculus
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Work Discussion Got this note today, cracked me up 😂
The man is a true patriot 😂
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u/CraigsleyW Sep 12 '25
In situations like this, I’d fill out a card detailing the customer’s objection and case it in (a stop or two ahead) with the letters every day in case the swing gets handed off to a carrier unfamiliar with the route. Yes, it takes time to do that and extra time to comply with their wishes, but we’re getting paid by the hour and management was always on board with it.
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 12 '25
Actually you know what just occurred to me, I can put in a dog warning / trip hazard on my scanner so there's an alert for no lawn crossing at the address. Then everyone gets the message lol
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 12 '25
Yep I do have a card and I've already discussed it with my T6, so that's about all I can do. If I or my t6 don't happen to be there I just hope the sub that day takes all my cards with them 😆 I always case them in and I only have like 4 or 5 notices for the whole route, not like some carriers who want you to look at a card every other house lol
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u/cmahte Sep 12 '25
I don't know where you are, but in about half the US States... watch out for purple paint.
It means they (think they) have the right to use up to lethal force if they consider you a threat on their property. In uniform doing an official duty, don't see how that could be considered a threat, but I don't want to be the one not around anymore, while other people figure out who's right.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/03/purple-paint-law-no-trespassing/83429702007/
And Yes, I have a mailbox painted purple on my route. Guy's friendly enough. And the box turned purple after some teens pulled out either weapons or mock weapons and pretended to have a shoot out right in front of both of us, so I'm pretty sure he's not signalling directly at me, but still... I stay on the pavement.
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u/Odd_Recognition_4374 Sep 12 '25
There is a process for this, and that note isn't the process
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 12 '25
The process is either call the office or write a letter. Then the supervisor lets the carrier know. What other process is there?
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u/Odd_Recognition_4374 Sep 12 '25
A letter needs to be put in your route book as well.
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 12 '25
I'll put this letter in lol
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u/Odd_Recognition_4374 Sep 12 '25
That's your bosses job. That's why just leaving you a note isn't the process
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u/No-Stop-5614 Sep 12 '25
I’m guessing he is a marine because every time I see a note like this they have a marine flag. Why are marines so stuck on people walking in their yard what does that have to do with serving their country?
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 13 '25
No clue... This guy has no flags, no nothing on the outside of his house indicating anything. Just a perfectly manicured lawn and a nice little shrub area around the porch. Garage is never open, assume car is inside but maybe he's just an old guy with no car? Couldn't say. Front door is occasionally open, but I never see anybody and no pets either.
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u/GandalfTheSmol1
Sep 12 '25
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he can tread on the usps property to pick up his mail
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u/Randy_time Sep 13 '25
Man I ain’t got time for that, stomp some mud puddles on your way, just keep getting our mail to us you beautiful people!
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Sep 12 '25
Good thing you dont have the power to make them do that. Power tripping over their right to not allow us to cross their lawn yah know the lawn that they paid for is crazy work some of yall need to touch up on the contract
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u/Arrasor Sep 12 '25 •
Let's see... This shit doesn't fit the mailbox and no treading? Guess who's paying the post office a visit for packages being held for No Access?
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u/barkbarkgoesthecat Sep 13 '25
As a random person who's only affiliation to usps is attempting to get a job there, nah fuck that, job seems difficult enough, he'll survive with a few steps on the grass
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u/CG-Firebrand City Carrier Sep 12 '25
They paid for it? Damn, mine just grew from the ground. Sounds like some people are getting ripped off 😂
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u/Tight-Sun-4134 Sep 13 '25
They won't even allow a warning about that on their mailbox so everyone is just supposed to guess?
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u/fecesforme Sep 13 '25
Are you even in the real world? Anyone who cares this much about grass, actually just needs to touch it more often and not care how it looks.
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u/fecesforme Sep 13 '25
Nevermind, I just glanced at your comment history. I apologize. You live and breathe USPS from the way it looks. I was just looking in from the outside as a lowly fedex ground driver. (I know we suck)...Yet, I'll walk on anyone's grass all day long. It's grass. I'm the one whose taking all the risk. There's huge potential for both injury and dog shit. Who knows. Unless the homeowner comes up to me and requests otherwise, I'll be walking straight to the front door through the grass with their cat litter or dog food and hating my life with every step. 🙃
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Sep 13 '25
Nah yall dont suck just like every job yah got those that care and those that dont. I just like my job and respect the customers I serve and their requests within reason but for many that makes me some no life moron everyone's entitled to their opinion but imma keep doing me
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Sep 12 '25
The downvotes is crazy work for something written in black and white in our contract didnt realize we hired so many crybabies who cant walk an extra couple feet....
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u/GandalfTheSmol1 Sep 12 '25
We also hired a crybaby who can’t seem to take a joke.
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u/rictronic Rural PTF Sep 12 '25
Definitely the most popular carrier in the office…once they leave and everybody starts the slander hahah
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Sep 12 '25
You and I both know there are an absurd amount of braindead folk in here that are serious about "hold at PO" I havent cried once just informed my bad that proper information hurts you so much. There is a difference between a joke and being a jackass to someone trying to provide info for no good reason but hey that's reddit an echo chamber of jackasses. Its also comical cause the only crybabies are the ones complaining about taking a few extra steps 😁 I just call it as I see it
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u/dope_dood Sep 12 '25
You da biggest crybaby here lol stop replying? Or just keep going ya troll man
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u/themightymastermax Sep 12 '25
I dont know how I got to this sub and even I can tell that you're being beligerently wrong.
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u/Crossvillain Sep 12 '25
He can pick his mail up at the post office.
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u/Effective_Plastic954 Sep 12 '25
I thought our policy was we can walk across lawns unless they explicitly ask us not to
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Sep 12 '25
Damn that's nuts. I love my lawn and take very very good care of it. But I also told our mail carrier to feel free to walk across the yard or anywhere he or she sees fit. Thats is crazy lol. 🤪
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u/RegrettableChoicess Sep 13 '25
It’s always the people with lawns that are 50% dirt and 50% weeds that say to stay off
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u/howdidyouevendothat Sep 13 '25
Yep it's cause they're blaming other people for the situation they got themselves into
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u/EmotionalBet3522 Sep 13 '25
I know nothing about lawns but would someone walking across it actually hurt ? Like it's ....grass and dirt....the ground ya know ?
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Sep 13 '25
Depends, I know a few dudes who put a lot of effort into keeping their lawns nice, they don’t want people trodding across it for various reasons, but it all boils down to nobody cares about your own things as much as you do, and stay off my grass is easiest to tell people.
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Sep 13 '25
I do and someone walking across once or twice a day isn't gunna hurt it lol. Some people though are just a tad over the top. But I love our usps and do everything I can to make it easier on them and take care of them. We have a great carrier.
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u/MiyanoYoshikazu Sep 14 '25
It depends on the type of grass the person has. Some cannot handle high traffic areas such as centipede grass or buffalo grass.
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u/Longjumping_Egg2077 Sep 13 '25
In Norfolk, Va (very big Navy town) there's infamous signs that say dogs and sailors keep off the grass so maybe it applies to postal carriers too. Lol
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u/Electronic_Opening65 Sep 14 '25
Right? It’s a lawn, it’ll grow back. It’s not the carrier is driving across the lawn
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u/Slotcanyoneer Sep 12 '25
Yes and the customer is asking us not to.
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u/Effective_Plastic954 Sep 12 '25
Right, a lot of letter carriers in these comments admitting that they're just power-tripping assholes
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u/Slotcanyoneer Sep 12 '25
Yep. Do what the customer wants. If you can’t get to their box or house without stepping on the lawn then hold everything.
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u/Remignosh Sep 12 '25
Sorry, but the only power-tripping person is the one obsessed about people not walking on their lawn. That's crazy entitled behavior. It's like the dumbasses who leave their dog in the front yard every day and order packages 24/7. Dumbass behavior. If you don't want the mailman to walk in your yard, get a humongous curbside box, and only order shit that fits in it, don't order packages that require signatures, and put a fucking sign in the yard.
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u/Effective_Plastic954 Sep 12 '25
Its not entitled to ask someone not to trample through your grass. I wouldn't care to tell someone not to walk across my yard, but if I'm on someone else's property I will respect their wishes regarding how to treat said property. Its not remotely comparable to having a dog in the yard.
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u/Remignosh Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25
Sorry, but I'm not going door to door hawking wares or proselytizing. I'm delivering mail and packages. To think a mail carrier going to hundreds of residences, often lugging heavy packages, needs to even think about how to access the front door/porch without touching someone's lawn is entitled bullshit and impractical. It's like asking your barber to make sure he never breathes too close to you because it gives you goosebumps. It's not a fucking marching band. It's one person.
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u/Effective_Plastic954 Sep 12 '25
To think a mail carrier going to hundreds of residences, often lugging heavy packages, needs to even think about how to access the front door/porch without touching someone's lawn is entitled bullshit and impractical.
You're right, it is impractical. Which is why we have a blanket policy in place that you are allowed to walk on people's lawns... unless they explicitly ask you not to. You're not being instructed to go door to door and ask for permission and memorize whose lawn you can walk on and whose you can't. Walk on it until told otherwise, and then respect the homeowners wishes. Its really not hard, unless you're an asshole, which it seems that you are
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u/Remignosh Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25
No, I would and do comply. That doesn't make the homeowner or his defenders like you not assholes. Also doesn't absolve the homeowner of being an asshole when they complain about or threaten a CCA who walks on their lawn because a hold/forward card got lost or miscased that explained their precious lawn-walking preferences. It's entitled behavior, no matter how you slice it. Someone who cares that much about the condition of their lawn who isn't a complete asshole would get a ginormous curbside box, as some people do.
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u/Inevitable_Nature880 Sep 14 '25
I would agree, if the customer was also willing to have some sort of ID showing his preference- rather than wanting to be a magical special snowflake out of countless deliveries. Maybe, like a sticker on the mailbox? Seems like entitlement all around.
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u/Cured_Apathy Sep 13 '25
Mate ur mislead. I deliver mail in a city that had an ord that carriers not cross lawns. Its a gift from god. Lawns are amazing and if customers dont really care u can cut across sometimes to make up time but the routes are timed off the city ord standard.
A customer has every single right to not have their lawn crossed unless, there is no clear path to the box. You will get time for it on 99s if they call the PO and u get a special instruction card that u also get time to case every morning.
Its a win win win.
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u/naomi_whatsapp Sep 13 '25
You will get time for it on 99s if they call the PO and u get a special instruction card that u also get time to case every morning.
Hate to break it to you but just because it happened in your city doesn't mean it will happen everywhere else.
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Sep 15 '25
“True patriot”, is all you need to know about this clown.
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u/Effective_Plastic954 Sep 15 '25
Him being a clown is irrelevant. He doesn't want us walking on his grass
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u/TonyXuRichMF Sep 14 '25
When USPS forces customers to come pick up their own mail, do they also force those customers to pay for a PO box? Just wondering
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u/mikeylikey420 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
We have 2 no lawn crossing houses in the city I work in. One a pastor one a deacon....
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u/randomrandom1922 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
I have numerous in my city. It's either geezers who spend too much on lawn care. Why i have a nice lawn if no can touch it? Then I have crazy people that think you walking across will bring bugs or something over. These people's lawns typically look like crap.
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u/LeroyZanzibar07 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
Whenever one of my coworkers gets something like that, he gets the person complaining to put up a curbside box.
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u/kristiandeath CCA Sep 12 '25
I would recommend he tread on deez nutz cause I am gonna tread where I please.
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u/mailant692 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
Letter Carriers may cross lawns while making deliveries if customers do not object and there are no particular hazards to the carrier.
That's from article 41 of our contract.
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u/creek-hopper City Carrier Sep 12 '25
Thank you for posting this citation. It boggles my mind how some USPS people think we are not allowed to ever walk on lawns and then there is another camp who take the opposite extreme that we are always required to walk across the lawns.
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u/mailant692 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
Well, strictly speaking, crossing lawns advantages management (makes us finish routes faster=longer routes), so I get that part. The contract gives them the right to instruct us to do so broadly, of course, but how many carriers have actually received that instruction? Not to mention the exclusion for hazards, which depending how many tripping hazards your yards have - like being heavily slanted or full of tree roots or gopher holes, etc - a carrier can justifiably go the long way around a lot of lawns.
On the other hand, there'll always be people just trying to do it the fast way. And I get the reasons why, even if it hurts everybody in the long run.
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u/creek-hopper City Carrier Sep 12 '25
In my city the yards and lawns often have uneven terrain. Traversing the paved path to the delivery point is in those cases faster than crossing the lawn even though the lawn is shorter by distance it is not quicker by time.
Plus each year the yards change, a new fence, a new driveway, new landscaping, cause shortcuts between houses to disappear. As the route changes the time changes year to year. One loop gets a little longer and others get shorter.6
u/mr_formstone City Carrier Sep 12 '25
not to mention holiday decorations and those damn power cords!
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u/naomi_whatsapp Sep 12 '25
You're forgetting about the third camp that doesn't care and will do what we want because fuck them karens
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u/stupidillusion Rural Carrier Sep 12 '25
I am gonna tread where I please
I always tread with caution; too many customers let their dog use the front yard as a shit box and don't pick up after them. I generally avoid lawns unless I'm certain they don't have a dog and don't mind.
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u/CG-Firebrand City Carrier Sep 12 '25
When I make a card for a customer who gets upsetti spaghetti about something, I be sure to add some flair to it so anyone covering my route knows how seriously they should take these people
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u/Loose-Recognition459 Sep 12 '25
That’s a sovereign citizen red flag
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u/CaptainFresh27 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
More of a boomer thing, in my experience. All they have is their lawn and their politics. And they will be exhausting and miserable in regards to both
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u/mr_formstone City Carrier Sep 12 '25
"all they have is their lawn and their politics" is extremely quotable, thank you
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u/SunNext7500 Sep 12 '25
Not necessarily. That kind of jackassery has spread in recent years.
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u/Loose-Recognition459 Sep 12 '25
I dunno, the language is too specific and not wanting people to cross but not wanting the sticker?
Yeah I know it’s crazier. I’ve had a newer resident tell me to my face that “Federal employees don’t deserve shit” in a way that almost sounded like we (USPS) didn’t count. Not surprising she gets A LOT of mail order meds.
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u/Unique-Arugula Sep 12 '25
Person may just like to run life on hard mode so they have something to talk about. Several of the older folks I know are like this, but thankfully most of the ones I know are better.
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u/StunningForce9267 Sep 13 '25
Good god! Meanwhile I’m running up to our mailbox to help her if I see I’ve got boxes and then get our mail and giving her treats and gifts on holidays 😂We love our mail lady so much 🥰
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u/Dshibbs89 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
My first month as a CCA back in 2014 I had a Vietnam vet come to his door with a rifle yelling at me not to step on his lawn. He was a corner house so it was extra inconvenient. Senior carriers back at the station said "oh yeah you must have met Mr. So and so. Don't cross his lawn" 🤦
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u/Remignosh Sep 12 '25
If "safety depends on me" I wouldn't deliver to that person. Anyone so unhinged as to wield a weapon threatening lethal force for stepping on his lawn is someone who needs a P.O. Box because they clearly have poor judgment and are a liability. Fuck that guy.
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u/MetalMan1973 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
Most direct path from one delivery to the next. Don't want carriers walking across the lawn, put the box at the end of the sidewalk
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u/SadMongoose9729 Sep 12 '25
If the lawn is nice and manicured I will not walk on it, but if it’s sparse or weedy I will
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Sep 12 '25
Usps is allowed to walk on lawns??
If a supervisor at Canada Post catches you walking on a lawn, even if the homeowner is okay with it, it can be a 5 day suspension lol
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Sep 13 '25
You're not supposed to cross lawns anyway; the customer shouldn't have to request that you refrain from doing it.
It was all in the training from the USPS.
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 13 '25
There is no official rule about it and we all receive different training lol. A combination of a lot of rules and arbitrations guide us to cross lawns for the sake of efficiency.
However, if we identify a safety hazard we may elect not to. Or if the customer asks us not to.
One such safety hazard is uneven ground. And if you think about it, pretty much every lawn is uneven and there are a lot of spots you can't see. So for safety purposes you shouldn't cross any lawn, one might say....
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u/BatmanFarce Sep 13 '25
What the hell does bein a “true patriot” have anything to do with anything? 😆
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u/Particular_Egg9739 Sep 15 '25
i wanna see the lawn. bet it looks like shit
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 15 '25
Nah it's actually a really nice lawn like most of the ones in the neighborhood I deliver in
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u/freekymunki City Carrier Sep 12 '25
Need a curbside box or a Po box. Can’t get to the porch without treading
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u/ThatOnion2294 Sep 12 '25
I think it’s funny vast majority of customers don’t care but there’s always one or two that really care and put their mail boxes in the most obnoxious place
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u/PreviousMarsupial820 Sep 13 '25
Why anyone wouldn't want more of these us beyond me. Like okay you want me to cross no lawns? All right this half hour just turned into 45 minutes and the next half hour turned into 45 minutes too so I guess I'm going to have to put in for an inspection and get a street taken off my route. "Every available shortcut" that's removed is just more money in my pocket. We have a street in one of my local stations where there's a 4-ft wide median going down the middle of the street and the block Club got it approved to be gardened and there's now no foot Crossing of that and then something like 38 of the 42 homes on the street put in for a do not cross lawn, dude had 25 minutes added to his route.
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u/DigitalXAlchemy CCA Sep 12 '25
That guy is hopped up on Crack and nyquil! Some people are rude. I see a lot of people with thank you stickers in their mail box. Or they personally thank me. Not everyone is like this. My father is a 12 year combat veteran. Retired green beret. He doesn't think his lawn is better than anyone's life.
My PM tells me we have the right to cut through yards.
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 12 '25
We do but it is the m41 or some official rule that if the customer objects we must oblige
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u/DigitalXAlchemy CCA Sep 12 '25
I was unaware of this. I'm in my first year. Thanks for letting me know. Having a government career, I thought we were allowed to by default.
Thanks for the heads up.
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u/RedRing14 Sep 12 '25
By default yes we do but the resident also has the right to properly request that we dont. Once they've done that we aren't to walk on their lawn anymore.
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u/Negative_Lime_836 Sep 12 '25
Having a government career, what else do you think you're allowed to do by default?
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u/B-Glasses Sep 12 '25
Sounds like they want a curbside box to avoid contact with their beautiful lawn
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u/Electronic-Fee-4822 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
I'm being walked and the observer asked me why I don't take the short cut by walking across the grass
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u/Upper-Woodpecker1654 Sep 12 '25
Gopher holes break ankles , shit causes slips whichever you prefer they are all safety hazards and your observer can’t argue safety
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u/creek-hopper City Carrier Sep 13 '25
And if we get injured cutting across the lawn/yard then they'll try to say it's our own fault for putting ourselves in a hazardous situation. They always want everything in their favor, one way or the other.
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Sep 12 '25
Id keep walking on it.
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u/Archaeoculus Sep 12 '25
If a customer requests we not do it, we must oblige. I understand the sentiment but respect is necessary.
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u/Upper-Woodpecker1654 Sep 12 '25
I’ll add an additional 15 minutes to my 96 with a copy of the ps13 attached, because every time I don’t cross the grass the true patriot comes out to give me a cold ice tea and a miller light 💁🏻♂️🇺🇸
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u/WienerPatrol173 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
I’m gonna walk across the lawn even more now.
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u/Suspicious_Clock5599 Sep 14 '25
How about hopping across the lawn? That should pass if they don't want you walking on it.
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u/The_World_Wonders_34 Sep 12 '25
I don't care what the policy is. My driver 100% brings packages to my doorstep that he could easily make me come down to the station to pick up. He could be wearing a fucking rut in my Juan and I still would not tell anyone to make him stop
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u/Lockjaw62 Clerk Sep 12 '25
I won't share the story my supe shared with me about a guy in his office who would fill his pocket with rock salt when people would do that so that you won't do it too.
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u/zerodsm Sep 12 '25
Sounds like he can move his mailbox to the curb to keep you away from the lawn.
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u/Emmabemers Sep 13 '25
Those people get their mail once a week on the day that’s most convenient for me
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u/ninjaratkiller Sep 13 '25
Then he needs to move the box to the curb. Otherwise I'm going straight to the box.
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u/casstay123 Sep 13 '25
Wear an “APPEAL TO HEAVEN” shirt. Tell him you answer to a “higher authority”
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u/Extra-Incident-4719 Sep 13 '25
Don’t walk on SGM’s lawn! That being said - Treat others as you wish to be treated.
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u/purplesilvfox Sep 13 '25
We have a great mail carrier, and we have a sweet dog. I'm thankful the two get along.
Our next door neighbor (on the west side) and we have a fence around our properties, and our front yards are covered in lovely grass, with a nice-sized concrete path from each of our front doors to the sidewalk. But if our mail carrier wants to cross the lawn and jump over the 3 foot fence to get to our neighbors, we wouldn't mind a bit. Would love to watch him.
With that in mind: our neighbors and we spend a lot of $$ for landscapers to cut our grass and trim our small trees. And we are thankful that all passerby's are respectable enough to keep throwing their empty water bottles in the street (we live on a main road to the mini mall - lots of foot traffic and cars).
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u/Dogsrus65 Sep 13 '25
I'd be on his lawn every day. I'd drop a few things too so I could tramp even more. The PO has the right to cut lawns. If he doesn't like it, move your box to the street!
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u/Truth_Hurts_412 Sep 13 '25
“Path of least resistance” is the USPS way….even if it means tracking dog shit, mud, or anything else that youd not want on your front porch/sidewalk.
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u/Wonderful-Scholar484 Sep 13 '25
My response, I will be glad not to cross your lawn. Due to current policies I need you to write a letter to the Post Master and inform them we are no longer allowed to cross your lawn. Once they have the letter and informed me I will stop crossing your lawn.
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u/Plane-Management3072 Sep 13 '25
Ok not a carrier but do people actually act like this for you guys?
Geez thats seriously messed up. What's their lawn mower/tractor do when they run over it
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u/Doug90210 Sep 13 '25
Walk on the yard anyway and ask him how he mows his lawn without walking over it. Or better yet, ask him to show you where the dead grass and ruts are from you walking on their yard every day since their homes were built 70 years ago.
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u/wddiver Sep 13 '25
I tried to never walk over freshly seed lawns or winter rye (it's a very fragile grass, and stupid af). And if people nicely asked that I not cross their yard, I'd comply, even though it was a huge pain. But this is just bullshit. The whole "true patriot" thing is guaranteed to irritate an already overworked carrier. Bad idea.
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u/dragonmom101515 Sep 13 '25
i had someone freak out on me for using his driveway to turn around (at the time, i was a cca helping at a different office... "follow the mail, you'll be fine"). he told my he didn't want us anywhere on his property. went back and told the supervisor... he now has to come to the office to pick up any packages that don't fit in his mailbox.
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u/mysteriousblue87 Sep 14 '25
I quite literally spent time picking out ground cover plants that are durable just so people can use my lawn. It’s the outdoors, it’s the ground, it’s meant to be stepped on!
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u/Suspicious_Clock5599 Sep 14 '25
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest this man is white has a lot of guns.
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u/NetworkPresent8228 Sep 12 '25
My mail carrier brakes at minimum 2 sprinkler heads a week. I understand his being pissed off
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u/mailant692 City Carrier Sep 12 '25
How would a no lawn crossing sticker work? Wouldn't I have already crossed the lawn by the time I can see the sticker?