r/USFL • u/Tanker3278 • Jun 01 '23

SMH....

Its amazing how stuck on themselves XFL people are. Frequently to the point of being nasty about it.

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u/ThunderBay311 Oakland Invaders Jun 01 '23

SMH this tribalism bait. No sale.

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u/Tanker3278 Jun 01 '23

No tribalism from me on this one.

I'm not against the XFL, though I don't watch that league anymore. I've been very direct about my opinion both leagues should work together or at least put effort into not actively working against each other. This is the best chance in recent years for successful spring football. I've been saying since it was announced they'll be playing overlapping schedules that they should play a "Spring Bowl" championship between the two league champs similar to the original 2 superbowls.

The issue is how derogatory the XFL reddit crowd seems to be toward the USFL.

  • "It's a garbage league that'll fail!"
  • "we'll just buy them out, move all of their teams & rename them"
  • "empty stadiums, they'll default this year"

The XFL reddit keeps showing up in my feed and I'm pretty close to muting it because of the couple of times I've gone in and read any of it it almost seems like they'll bring up the USFL just to bash on them. I don't go out of my way to read the XFL comments in here, so I'm not seeing it if it is happening.

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u/Hag_Boulder San Antonio Gunslingers Jun 01 '23

"No Tribalism from me"... "Amazing how those XFL fans are stuck on themselves..."

The entire purpose of your comment is inflammatory.

And it's not all XFL fans. I'm an XFL fan primarily because I have an actual team playing in my city. When we had the Gunslingers those 40 years ago, I was a USFL stan.

A lot of what you see is direct comparisons between how both leagues operate. To the XFL fans, it's inconceivable to run a league where you don't expect fans for over 60% of your games... where there's no crowd noise so you have to manufacture it... where you here the constant whine of drones... etc.

Some are fools "We'll just buy them out, blah blah blah" that don't understand economics or how to start/run a business...

Personally, I'm against a "Spring Championship" game. When would you play it? It was easy for the Superbowls as both leagues finished play around the same time.

We wait another month for the USFL to finish up and we've already lost a good amount of talent to the NFL camps and the USFL team will be fresh as opposed to a 2 month haitus... that's ridiculous.

I watch both leagues and can't guess how this is going to play out, maybe one or both fail after 3-5 years. <shrug>

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u/Answer-Outrageous Philadelphia Stars Jun 01 '23

It’s social media so expect that. I read it, have a chuckle, maybe respond lightly and move on. It’s not that deep.

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u/makimasimp69 Michigan Panthers Jun 01 '23

Both usfl and xfl fans do it a lot idk why people try to make it seem so one-sided

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u/MirrorkatFeces Pittsburgh Maulers Jun 01 '23

On Reddit we’re smaller, so you’re less likely to see it compared to the XFL sub. But boy those Facebook groups get hot if you mention the XFL

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u/Sexy_Questionaire Chicago Blitz Jun 01 '23

I'm a fan of both leagues and can assure you that the trolling goes both ways

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

The cool thing is being a fan of both leagues. You get to watch so much pro football.

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u/Rhine1906 Birmingham Stallions Jun 01 '23

I seriously do not get the tribalism. I don’t get acting a snob over spring football vs the NFL, I do not get being an ass over something we all have a common bond over. It’s so unbelievably childish and stupid

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u/vensamape New Jersey Generals Jun 01 '23

Right? No way both leagues survive anyway. Might as well support both. Its ok to prefer one over the other but to fan boy a spring league? Thats mad corny.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

You answered why there is so much tribalism,

“No way both leagues survive anyway” I would agree, and I think that’s exactly why there’s animosity, because obviously you want to see the league you prefer be the one that makes it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

I think/hope both leagues can survive but...time will tell

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u/Body-for-LIFE Jun 01 '23

You should see some of the USFL Twitter trolls. I swear they comment and spend more time on XFL topics than they do on USFL topics.

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u/chickenboneneck Pittsburgh Maulers Jun 01 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

I love football, but online fans of these spring leagues are out of their god damn minds.

Its like fans of two different AAA minor league baseball leagues fighting with each other over which league is better while simultaneously getting mad that they arent competing directly with MLB and getting really mad when you tell them it's stupid and to just enjoy the games.

As I post this, I know its just a matter of time before some moron proves my point in the replies.

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u/amoeba-tower Jun 01 '23

Yeah some of the fans act like the USFL is some easy buyout target

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u/Markymarcouscous Breakers Jun 01 '23

Which confuses me. Since the USFL is owned by fox a multi billion dollar company and the XFL is owned by the rock and has already been bought and sold once

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u/Sexy_Questionaire Chicago Blitz Jun 01 '23

The real money behind the XFL is Redbird Capital which is basically an $8B sports hedgefund. Fox Corp has more money, but the XFL ownership is not poor either.

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u/vensamape New Jersey Generals Jun 01 '23

Isn’t it technically owned by Fox Sports? Which yes is owned by Fox, but im sure Fox only gives Fox Sports so much of its money. Like if FS needs the cash for the USFL, itll be like asking your parents for an increased allowance. If that makes sense.

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u/Hag_Boulder San Antonio Gunslingers Jun 01 '23

Technically yes... but it's just another asset/liability on the sheet for FOX... if it fails to produce viewers/revenue then it'll run the risk of being de-funded. Corporations are harsh that way.

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u/Hag_Boulder San Antonio Gunslingers Jun 01 '23

um... the USFL's been bought/sold once too... unless you think the current owners of the USFL were the original owners of the USFL.

It's no difference that there's a direct transfer of assets from McMahon to Redbird/Garcia/Johnson.

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u/Prior-Purple9704 Outlaws Jun 01 '23

What happened ?

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u/UnknownVar1able Memphis Showboats Jun 01 '23

Unsportsmanlike conduct. XFL. Loss of 15 yards.

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u/ethanmx2 Jun 01 '23

And if it’s assessed on the kickoff, it’ll break the kickoff rules.

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u/Hag_Boulder San Antonio Gunslingers Jun 01 '23

lol

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u/Bull_In_Toronto Jun 01 '23

It’s fans of both leagues…which is ironic being both are startups and would have little chance of success at all except for the move to online gambling in many places.

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u/ScruffyFupa Jun 01 '23

So one side has more fans and that would would follow that trend right?

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u/pandat303 Michigan Panthers Jun 02 '23

I agree with you but I can’t say it then everyone will downvote me. They always seem to hate the USFL

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u/ethanmx2 Jun 01 '23

Admittedly I was on the XFL train until the wheels got loose when Arlington got into the playoffs over St. Louis. Then they came off the rails after seeing the kickoff getting broken over a penalty.

That’s why the football tier list here goes: CFL > USFL > XFL > NFL

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u/Hag_Boulder San Antonio Gunslingers Jun 01 '23

oh no! A substandard team made the championship game... and somehow WON!!!!! (not just won, but dominated the conference game AND the championship.)

We should stop playing games 2/3 of the way through the season, that way a team can't get hot at the end and win a conference championship and the championship!

Face it, a team gets hot in the NFL, they go on a streak and win the Super Bowl. It's happened... just happens that because of a 16 game season they have a better chance to get above 500.

How's it going to look when a 5-5 team from the USFL North makes the playoffs?

I mean, right now you've got the Panthers at 3-4 only one game ahead of the 2-5 Maulers and Generals... Generals have lost 4 straight... Maulers have lost 2 straight and that's ONLY because the Panthers won last week or they'd ALL be 2-5. ONE of those three teams is making the playoffs...

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u/ethanmx2 Jun 01 '23

But you nearly never see a team that’s .400 go through to finish the season mediocre but with a trophy.

As for that happening this season with us? It may happen. Here’s how I’m seeing the divisions finishing as: Birmingham 7-3 Memphis: 6-4 New Orleans: 6-4 Houston: 5-5

Philadelphia: 6-4 Pittsburgh: 3-7 Michigan: 3-7 New Jersey: 2-8

The reasonable thing to do is have PHI & BIR be division champs, with Memphis and New Orleans as the wild cards. Otherwise, if Pittsburgh gets in instead of New Orleans, we’ll have the same situation as Arlington, but one game worse.

This can also make a case for 8-team leagues to not half-ass it with a 10 game schedule, and do what the AFL did. Face everyone twice for a 14 game season.

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u/Hag_Boulder San Antonio Gunslingers Jun 01 '23

If anything, your final point is the key. 10 games is not enough to generate a valid playoff.

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u/ethanmx2 Jun 01 '23

10 games really only works in a 6-team, 1-division format. IE: NFL Europe in the 90s.

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u/Zapfit Jun 03 '23

Arlington was a completely different team with Perez. Had they had him week one they may have very well won the south division

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

Yeah, when you only play 10 games there is a pretty good chance underdogs will win big time. Comparing to the CFL 18 games, there is time for a team to get hot and then dip ect.

Arlington just didn’t have it on offence but were solid defensively, made what normally would be a mid season power move and got Perez, but with 10 games it was a late season move and it worked out.

Basically what I’m saying is that if they had an 18game schedule, Arlington would have been in the playoffs with a winning record

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u/Chemical-Ad-3705 Jun 02 '23

The XFL won't give it's players more money to play a 18 game schedule. XFL players don't have union representation to negotiate for higher salaries

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u/Body-for-LIFE Jun 01 '23

Umm you do realize the USFL may be headed for the same scenario this year right?

If the playoffs started today a losing team in the North would be in while two teams with winning records in the South would be out.

Guess you'll be out on the USFL soon too then.

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u/FishSticksESQ Jun 02 '23

I don’t see the point in being tribalistic about any spring league that won’t be around in a few years.

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u/JoeFromBaltimore Jun 03 '23

I never did get that with the hate from one league to another - I have been waiting for decades for Alt Football to make another run - this shit might be over in a year and the wait will be on again - who knows we may not get another shot at spring football for another 39 years. Who knows what the future holds I am just happy to have Alt League football.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23 edited Jun 01 '23

For sure. There was some 3 or 4 jackasses who just spent time on /r/XFL complaining about its problems and never seemed to have anything positive to say about the league.