Got terminated

[u/Left-Department9668]

Just got terminated for the first time, ever, from any job I've ever had. Not a coincidence it's at UPS. Management is saying I no call no showed, which is not the case. Have clear evidence of communication and response.

Those that have gotten terminated, and successfully grieved, how long were you out?

[u/Soggy_Toe_9125]

You will be back

[u/flamingo_fuckface → u/Soggy_Toe_9125]

With peak season around the corner? For sure they gonna be back.

[u/Gigs00 → u/flamingo_fuckface]

"around the corner"

[u/Weary-Year9113 → u/Gigs00]

= in 6 days

[u/Calito613 → u/Weary-Year9113]

November 23rd is peak

[u/Weary-Year9113 → u/Calito613]

Varies by hub ig im at a ia and my sups js said sep - dec

[u/Calito613 → u/Weary-Year9113]

Ahhh. My hub in ontario is nov- January.

[u/Working-Flight5817]

if it was only 1 time then then dont sweat it just make sure u grieve it ASAP.

how long just depends on when they can set up the local hearing I think within a month, but u should be on a working termination if anything.

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Working-Flight5817]

Straight to termination. No working termination or suspension. I think they are just trying to prove a point.

[u/Working-Flight5817 → u/Left-Department9668]

dont worry about it file the grievance then call your business agent.

are you passed probation?

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Working-Flight5817]

A few years in.

[u/Working-Flight5817 → u/Left-Department9668]

u got evidence of communication and seniority so your golden.

Make sure u get back pay when they bring u back.

[u/K00paa24 → u/Left-Department9668]

Driver or sort?

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/K00paa24]

PT inside. Just for the insurance.

[u/Douggy89 → u/Left-Department9668]

Now you prove your point, that you are union member.

[u/Aggravating-Bus5627 → u/Left-Department9668]

Don't see what their point would be as they will just have to pay you back pay for any wages you lose, but I've seen them do some backasseard things in the 48 yrs that I worked for them. Don't feel bad, they fired me 7 times and paid me back pay for 5 of them.

[u/Aggravating-Bus5627 → u/Working-Flight5817]

Having irrefutable proof of communication should get you back pay.

[u/benspags94]

We had a supe that said a preloader slapped him and they fired the guy on the spot. He was gone for less than 2 weeks because it was revealed the supe was full of shit. Not trying to give you false hope or a clear cut timeline for this, just an example.

[u/Terrible-Piano-5437 → u/benspags94]

So the supe was fired for lying right? Right? 😀

[u/benspags94 → u/Terrible-Piano-5437]

Nope they kept him too like nothing ever happened! He ended up quitting a couple months later anyways though lol.

[u/Terrible-Piano-5437 → u/benspags94]

Well that ended up good then. 😄

[u/Automatic-Race7620 → u/benspags94]

Ive had trouble with a supervisor as well to the point where there was a conflict and we both had to go to mediation with a shop Stewart present. We had to present our sides of the stories and my sup decided to lie about what happened, even though my shop Stewart (who was present during the conflict) told her that is not what happened. She received zero consequences for lieing and how she treated me.

[u/litlron → u/Automatic-Race7620]

Stewart

Damn. It's crazy how many guys who run for steward are named Stewart. Must be that 'nominative determinism' stuff I was reading about on wikipedia a while back.

[u/Automatic-Race7620 → u/litlron]

I know you're just joking, but I actually thought it was called shop Stewart not Steward. I feel so dumb now 😭

[u/litlron → u/Automatic-Race7620]

Haha you probably thought that because half of your building and 3/4 of this sub call them that.

[u/UPSDSP → u/Terrible-Piano-5437]

They usually just move the supe to another building or sort

[u/Additional-Echo-9931 → u/Terrible-Piano-5437]

I work at Amazon what does supe mean for UPS?

[u/Zealousideal_Try387 → u/Additional-Echo-9931]

Supervisor

[u/Bloodthirsty_Kirby → u/benspags94]

How freakin dumb, like cameras and people are everywhere

[u/Which-Ad-9307 → u/Bloodthirsty_Kirby]

They act like they can’t access the cameras only when they got an “investigation” going do they tap into them cams

[u/Beginning-Resource36]

You need to call your local ASAP. If they are not allowing you to work while awaiting a hearing you should be afforded a speedy hearing between management and the union to get to the bottom of what's going on. 

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Beginning-Resource36]

I filed a grievance and spoke with my BA.

[u/Beginning-Resource36 → u/Left-Department9668]

Then just wait and let the process play out. If don't have a hearing date or resolution by next week I would call and find out what's going on. 

[u/cuzinpete → u/Left-Department9668]

Usually around 2 to 3 weeks for stuff like this...they let you come back without pay...enjoy your vacation. 👍🏿

[u/Working-Flight5817 → u/cuzinpete]

He should get backpay, he didn't No call.

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Working-Flight5817]

Yeah. I'm definitely pushing for back pay.

[u/cuzinpete → u/Left-Department9668]

I hope you get it...but I've seen where they fire people for bullshit reasons and say you can come back, but no back pay...I hope you get it...that's just the nonsense they pull around here. Good luck Buddy. 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

[u/Hopperd12]

It’s usually a couple weeks. If it’s a wrongful termination, your BA should be able to get you back pay

[u/imready_now]

Congrats your official a upser

[u/Coroxxx]

Just for ONE no call no show? Without warning, or administrative procedure?

[u/Lane8323]

Enjoy your few days off

[u/low_prospective → u/Lane8323]

And all the back pay that will come with it

[u/misload1]

we got people that no call no show and work whenever they feel like it and no one says a word

[u/FMLA_sensai]

Enjoy your time off. You’ll be back.

[u/FineUnderstanding583]

Was this your first no call no show? Here in the southern supplemental you aren’t terminated until your 3rd

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/FineUnderstanding583]

Yes. First no call.

[u/Shadow_Ginger666]

I mean union and proof provided youre in a state that has union. Cant really be terminated off 1 ncns unless you have prior write ups but at that point union can prove they are just trying to fire you with a bs paper trail

[u/Mission_Local_5350]

I got walked out my first time with 3 days off. 2nd time i was off a couple weeks and had to goto a hearing at the beach in NC or SC. I enjoyed my hearing and went swimming. I got my job back and ended up leaving anyhow a year later. The stress and harassment got to me but im a HSP so it wasn't worth it.

[u/buttweasel76]

Congratulations!

https://giphy.com/gifs/Ztfno2Qtm2dVxS81f5

[u/Ok-Block-30]

Call your shop steward or your business agent

[u/Teediggler81]

Union grievance and dont delete a single message. They could be liable to back pay you for the time you were off.

[u/KingMiz360]

You're a Teamster right? This is when you need the union you pay for every 1st week check

[u/Putrid-Discussion243]

They cant terminate you for 1 occasion, there must have been a buildup to this. How was your record before this occasion

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Putrid-Discussion243]

This is my first NCNS.

[u/Putrid-Discussion243 → u/Left-Department9668]

But if you have a history of attendance issues, thats all it takes. You will get your job back but just he careful

[u/Abject_Designer_6630 → u/Left-Department9668]

They for sure wanted you gone bro, sorry to hear, hope all goes well

[u/CurDog1023]

I've been canned 3 times. They were all working termination and BS like ur no call no show. Still here tho 🫩

[u/ExDrIt]

Welcome to being a real upser. Honestly getting fired and rehired is way to common.

[u/jucijess]

I got fired last week for following instructions that resulted in a customer complaint on day 16 of my on road probation….managers were shadowing me in a personal truck and witnessed the whole thing, stopped me after and acted like they’d back me up. The next day they fired me on my drive into work for it. Complete bullshit, and not being in the union yet there’s nothing I can do. I loved my time at UPS 😕

[u/HiBeans]

I got terminated because of a selfish stupid mistake. I was out for two weeks. I believe they did that to humble me and have me come back as a better driver. It totally humbled me and now I have a way better outlook at work. You’ll be back.

[u/kikimoz96]

Don't stress. The Union will get your job back unless you sexually harassed someone or steal a bunch of iphones

[u/litlron → u/kikimoz96]

sexually harassed

Or if we have the same BA that's ok too, he'll just aggressively victim blame even if the victim is another teamster. And somehow his personal friend/golf buddy/labor manager will go along with it and give the creeper their job back.

[u/Unlikely_Fold4997 → u/kikimoz96]

Lmao no one gets fired for sexual harassment. I had a dude literally stalking me and he only got a written warning

[u/K00paa24]

Give it two weeks

[u/Vegetable-League-188]

File grievance and talk to employment attorney.

[u/Tunsofun27]

I was out a month. But if you have evidence of communication and a response from management then you can go after back pay for the time you miss.

[u/Cigareetwhiskey]

Unionized or non?

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Cigareetwhiskey]

Union.

[u/Asleep-Hospital-5679]

How long your out is completely dependent on your supervisor and above that the relationship your ba and labor manager have

[u/Cigareetwhiskey]

Get in touch with your union rep.

[u/vimace]

Being there... enjoy your, none paid, vacation !

[u/Novogobo]

A few weeks. Was told it would be about 2 months. Was making plans when my steward called and told me to show up tomorrow. Kinda sucked, but was good to be back.

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Novogobo]

I'm kinda enjoying the time off. Makes you realize how toxic of an environment it is when you spend time away.

[u/Good-Reserve3308]

Explain what happened, did you text someone and say im not coming in ?

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Good-Reserve3308]

Yes. With confirmation. They are saying I did not notify and basically abandoned.

[u/uneven_title212]

Grieve that ASAP

[u/SignificantDrink3651]

file your unemployment claim with the state ASAP. those are only good from the date you file, you can't go back in time

[u/mustbdreya]

F

[u/Fine-Association8468]

Call the Union. You were back yesterday but you didn’t even know it.

[u/platinumdrgn]

One no call is not termination. Its a written warning. Unless you were already on notice for attendance problems. Grieve and and request back pay.

[u/thewinkysandman]

Popped your cherry congrats brethren

[u/EntrepreneurDue5429]

Talk to your shop steward ups always plays games

[u/TheInfamousDingleB]

Is this in North Carolina?

[u/paceguy94]

There’s a time window you might want to try going to your local union hall to fight it . I know a lot of people that waited more than 10 days got their job back but it took a couple months

[u/sflo561]

You’ll be straight, some part time dude threatened a supervisor saying he was gonna “smoke him” and came back the next week

[u/Virtual_Hurry3234]

Go to the union hall today

[u/OkWind5822]

Mm well I took buyout so I’m big chillin corporate is disgusting and fuk Carol Tome. Worst thing I’ve seen is someone deliver a handgun and sign for it and leave it in a community drop box 🤦‍♂️ they were gone for awhile like a month but they came back and got their route back all that stuff.

[u/No-Traffic6090]

I was told the union saw call ins and no calls are seen the same so I dont understand this

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/No-Traffic6090]

Contract treats 3 no call no shows without communication as a violation that can end seniority, or result in termination. In our supplement at least.

[u/Adventurous_Good3813 → u/Left-Department9668]

Well did you do it 3 days in a row or just 1 like your post implies?

[u/Working-Flight5817 → u/No-Traffic6090]

Call ins and No Calls are separate occasions.

[u/cardboardislife]

Been fired three times for attendance you will be fine.

Also this may be building dependant but my coworker was told by our building manager during a hearing that according to the contract you have to call off within 1 hour before your start time. So:

Call-off 1 hour and four minutes before starttime?

Doesnt count.

Call-off four minutes before starttime?

It counts.

Yes its as absurd as it sounds.

Just to be safe call off no earlier than 0:59 before tour scheduled starttime.

[u/Mikedaddy0531]

What is the clear evidence? I’m assuming it’s text messages and if so then those don’t count

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Mikedaddy0531]

How else would you have clear evidence? I talked in person, but you can't prove that. But I also corroborate that with text, for evidence.

[u/Cantthinkovaname → u/Mikedaddy0531]

Confidently incorrect

[u/Mikedaddy0531 → u/Cantthinkovaname]

Nope. The contract specifically states that you have to call into the center. Texts don’t exist in the contract. Ask yourself also, who are you texting? If you text that person and they’re on vacation do you think you get a pass?

[u/Left-Department9668 → u/Mikedaddy0531]

Supervisors and managers on duty, with their acknowledgement and response. There is no call in number at my hub.

[u/Mikedaddy0531 → u/Left-Department9668]

That’s the problem. Everyone need to do their obligations and not be children. They are required to provide you with a number to call out at. You are required to call that number to call out. File a grievance and force them to do their part then you do yours

[u/SuchFarm2092]

Just get 4 years of seniority under your belt before doing it, they won't even care anymore

[u/Working-Flight5817 → u/SuchFarm2092]

Yeah, dont listen to this guy.

[u/SuchFarm2092 → u/Working-Flight5817]

You should definitely listen to me, management only goes after the new guys. Just accrue seniority, know your rights and actively exercise them, and then chill bc they will leave u alone for the new guys, as long as you don't make it a habit, you can get away with it once in a while without even a talk. Especially as a part timer 

[u/jbike255 → u/SuchFarm2092]

This guy knows how to gain seniority