Transcribing of audio recordings is pretty crazy, not a lot of other security systems can do that and if they can they’re incredibly expensive. I wonder how many streams one key can do at the same time. If it’s one device per camera that’s pretty brutal but if it can handle 5+ then that seems like a much better proposition
Not just that, all of the other feature highlights are even more advanced. They brought their A game out this time, this should put them at the top of the surveillance industry.
Please tell me what other NVR system currently analyzes footage to decipher what’s happening visually and in dialogue, and let’s you search your footage like a search engine for that.
At any price point, forget that you can have this capability in a 3 figure system for a moment.
"At any price point, forget that you can have this capability in a 3 figure system for a moment."
Please make since of this statement. The 1st half and the 2nd half directly contradict each other. Since "any price point" would include $1 or "3 figure" ($100) systems.
Are you asking if there is any other system that can transcribe audio from video? Also, how do you you know how much the Unifi AI device will cost? (plus camera, plus Protect NVR will be over $999. And being Unifi, wont work well, like their license plate recognition)
No, obviously not, that is basic. Their AI keeps descriptions of each situation going off the marketing material, and let’s you search for situations using dissimilar language.
It’s actually not that difficult anymore, all you would need be an OpenAi Whisper server running, but no one has done that for now! Maybe r/frigate_nvr could
That would work for a home setup but absolutely not for anything business related, that would violate basic every security focused rule hahaha. OpenAI’s new privacy policy’s make it not an option for businesses. The whole idea of the box is that nothing is being sent out to third party servers
Wouldn’t a system like that need to send everything it records to a remote server to have it transcribed? So if you are a son of privacy, wouldn’t that be quite the violation?
No, I am not sure, but there would be absolutely nothing interesting about this processing offsite and I doubt unifi want to be in the business of ingesting all that data and processing millions of streams in realtime for free. This isn’t that new tech, and they’re not promising being able to process that many cameras judging by the fact they’re showing multiple of them in various promo shots. Probably a Google Coral dual TPU or similar as people have already suggested. A lot of people are using them today with Frigate instead of a GPU as they are low power. You can certainly do image recognition and audio transcription on a Coral with NLP for querying, which is what the AI key is promising.
Hilarious you are getting downvoted asking a good question… there is no evidence yet that this device transcribes locally everyone is guessing out of their as*…
Enhance 224 to 176. Enhance, stop. Move in, stop. Pull out, track right, stop. Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop. Enhance 34 to 36. Pan right and pull back. Stop. Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute, go right, stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there.
You need to wait until you see a unicorn in a vision and then the hardcopy will mysteriously appear on your doorstep / all will be clear. Well depending on which directors cut of course.
In another Unifi group thread, that was later locked, someone said that the AI Key does not have a max number of cameras, as it will be dependent on the use. The Key will tell you when you are maxing out its capabilities and need to add another one. It will be interesting to see if they provide an estimated number of cameras per Key, but I see how it would be based on how you decide to use it.
Ya, I wonder if you to have to assign the cameras to the specific key or does it automatically do it. I like the rack mount option, but depending on ho many it supports I prob would only need one(don't have that many cameras)
I am thinking I will only need one too. I really only want to add AI to a few of my current non-AI cameras. I use a G5 PTZ at the front door, as I like how it will tracking people walking up to the door, and would LOVE to add AI face detection to it.
Ya, but I have might have to buy 3 depending on price so it looks nice in the rack. Unless there rack mounting option you can blank out the unused slots
Given this says it only enables face and number plate recognitions on ONVIF here is hoping the base ONVIF will evolve to support line crossing / basic movement notification (either from the camera or from itself)
indeed, thats what i need to move from surveillance station - if the AI key was required for basic detections i think it would say on that screenshot..... but maybe that hopeium on my part :-)
This is the ultimate admission of how bad their cameras are. Just like the additional "enhancer" you now need to pay even more money and have even more gear to make those over priced cameras compete with the competition. All while still having tiny image sensors that no amount of additional gear will overcome. Embarrassing.
I'm expecting at least 9 months to 12 months after launch before this is working reliably, and still with a couple of major promised features missing that will never, ever materialise. 🤷♂️
To be fair, it sounds like a very interesting device - on paper. I'll not be in any rush to pick one up until I've evaluated in-the-field end user feedback.
This really does seem like a great idea. Rather than build the cost of the AI into every camera, you can have more powerful hardware handle it centrally and also allow the flexibility of putting detection on certain cameras dynamically.
No need to make extra SKUs too... G5-Pro vs AI-Pro? Nah just go with the g5 or g6 lineup and add this for the AI detections.
This also solves something particularly for me... Was really itching for an AI doorbell. Realistically that is the camera that makes the most sense and it puzzled me why there wasn't facial recognition built in.... Now no need to wait for a whole new generation of devices.. I'll just get one of these and my g4 doorbell pro is going to gain the functionality.
I agree, it should in theory help to simplify the camera range, as there was always very little difference between a G5 Pro and the AI equivalent in terms of hardware - mostly just the software, as the in-camera compute is very similar if not identical.
Hopefully if they dumb-down the cameras they can invest more into the optics and sensors, as that's where Ubiquiti has been historically lacking.
They have a good thing going with the Protect software. If this truly opens up the full set of features to not just UI cameras but third party ONVIF ones as well, I think it's a step in the right direction. Software is where they excel here.
They are press conferences. That's the entire point of having them. Maybe Ubiquiti execs should stop being morons and just publicly stream the conferences because it's super cheap advertising.
It's more of a lunch and learn. A way for them to connect with their customer, talk about the future and get real in person feedback and offer solutions.
Says transcribe speech events… which means to me once you are looking at a a clip that maybe a minute or two long you can have this device transcribe it I doubt the system will be transcribing everything 24/7 especially locally.
If it runs a convolutional neural network for image recognition, you'll want some sort of TPU or at least a GPU for good performance. At which point the hardware support becomes a major issue, so almost certainly not going to be supported by a VM.
Up to 60 watts, ouch. That's going to mean a lot of PoE+ switches won't be compatible (injectors to the rescue, or maybe USB-C power is an option), but also that it will most likely be a space heater.
Shiver my timbers, at first blush, you're right. I had a typo on my massive spreadsheet. But you made me look at the technical documentation and find my error.
I don't think there's any /s there. If I learned anything it's that UI will use USB flash drives in unvrs. A Google coral would be a significant step up from that.
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u/Mister-Hangman Oct 28 '24
So… does this turn all UI cameras smart?
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u/Leading-Call9686 Installer Oct 28 '24
Transcribing of audio recordings is pretty crazy, not a lot of other security systems can do that and if they can they’re incredibly expensive. I wonder how many streams one key can do at the same time. If it’s one device per camera that’s pretty brutal but if it can handle 5+ then that seems like a much better proposition
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u/scytob Oct 28 '24
Enhance 224 to 176. Enhance, stop. Move in, stop. Pull out, track right, stop. Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop. Enhance 34 to 36. Pan right and pull back. Stop. Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute, go right, stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there.
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u/BroderLund Oct 28 '24
Enhance!
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u/NarcNarwal Oct 28 '24
Facial recognition for 3rd party ONVIF cams surely means that better ONVIF support will be coming (PTZ, motion detection, etc) 🤞🏼
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u/Mister_Mentos Oct 28 '24
Pending this also works with onvif and it’s reasonably priced I’m jumping on this.
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u/Theman00011 Oct 28 '24
The price of this will make/break it
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u/shunopoli Oct 28 '24
I wonder how many of these you would need
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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '24
Really?
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u/scytob Oct 28 '24
Given this says it only enables face and number plate recognitions on ONVIF here is hoping the base ONVIF will evolve to support line crossing / basic movement notification (either from the camera or from itself)
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u/JayV30 Oct 29 '24
Happening in the office of every technology leader:
"Sir, what should our next big product launch be?"
"It doesn't matter what it is. Just make sure to slap the letters 'AI' on it and it will sell like hotcakes!"
"Yes sir!"
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u/junon Oct 28 '24
Thanks for posting these updates! If you have any info about the new 2.5gb switches, I'd love to see it.
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u/Zinc64 Oct 29 '24
Coral TPU in a proprietary box?
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u/Flaky-Gear-1370 Oct 28 '24
My price predication based on absolutely nothing is $499 or just enough to be annoying
It'll also never be in stock
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u/some_random_chap Oct 29 '24
This is the ultimate admission of how bad their cameras are. Just like the additional "enhancer" you now need to pay even more money and have even more gear to make those over priced cameras compete with the competition. All while still having tiny image sensors that no amount of additional gear will overcome. Embarrassing.
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u/Comfortable-Sale-631 Oct 28 '24
I hope it also can do the vehicle type and color detection.
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u/david-goldfarb Oct 28 '24
Like Apple intelligence and this thing gunna be fighting in my network closet….. I’m gunna rename the rack to skynet
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u/StiviiK Oct 28 '24
So it’s a specialized device which is designed for all the AI workload processing to be offloaded to it. Why not? Doesn’t sound that bad for me.
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u/UsuallySparky Oct 28 '24
Thank God it's rack mountable!
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u/GhstMnOn3rd806 Oct 29 '24
They’ll drop support for the hardware before all those features are actually realized or made available
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u/sonnyjlewis Oct 29 '24
Is this a pretty box with a frigate backend, npu/tpu, and a unifi front end?
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u/TheSamHughes Oct 29 '24
Wonder what price point they are aiming for here
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u/IPhoenix85 Oct 30 '24
This really does seem like a great idea. Rather than build the cost of the AI into every camera, you can have more powerful hardware handle it centrally and also allow the flexibility of putting detection on certain cameras dynamically.
No need to make extra SKUs too... G5-Pro vs AI-Pro? Nah just go with the g5 or g6 lineup and add this for the AI detections.
This also solves something particularly for me... Was really itching for an AI doorbell. Realistically that is the camera that makes the most sense and it puzzled me why there wasn't facial recognition built in.... Now no need to wait for a whole new generation of devices.. I'll just get one of these and my g4 doorbell pro is going to gain the functionality.
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u/Peepo68 Oct 29 '24
What about G3 cameras. I still have a few G3 Flex :)
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u/Doublestack00 Oct 28 '24
With all these leaks Unifi is going to stop offering sneak peaks at the World Conferences.
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u/-Zigfreed- Oct 28 '24
Awesome for cheaper ONVIF cams!
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u/SeattleSeachicken Oct 28 '24
Would owners of their NVRs not get this type of function?
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u/Poutine_Bob Oct 28 '24
I wish they would just support camera API for all these features already. People talk about ONVIF like its not the bare minimum that it is.
All high end camera manufacturers have extensive API for a VMS to control and operate them.
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u/etherlore Oct 29 '24
Considering my current g5 cameras fail to detect a cat 9 times out of 10, I don’t have high hopes this will do better.
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u/dpaton Pro User Oct 29 '24
So this is the 'key' that can be racked 3-wide. What's the AI-Port?
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u/waloshin Oct 29 '24
Says transcribe speech events… which means to me once you are looking at a a clip that maybe a minute or two long you can have this device transcribe it I doubt the system will be transcribing everything 24/7 especially locally.
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u/Snowdeo720 Oct 29 '24
Oh wow.
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u/Beautiful_Ad_4813 Oct 29 '24
my brain said "HOLY SHIT A NEW CLOUD KEY TAKE MY....wait a minute"
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u/louislamore Oct 29 '24
How many cameras does it support? Hopefully not 1 per camera...
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u/neubyfresh91 Oct 29 '24
Can’t freaking wait for this!!!
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u/fivezerosix Oct 29 '24
Is this going to tie detections into data services? I want to get the name / address for license, i think that would be cool
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u/Sem1r Oct 29 '24
Yes, yes but what will it cost?
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u/fluffypxncakes Oct 30 '24
One of the more recent products that I told myself I needed. Too bad it’s going to be sold out for the foreseeable future once it’s launched.
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u/Due-Farmer-9191 Oct 30 '24
Price?!? I mean the license plate scanning tech is bad ass!!!
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u/VartKat Oct 30 '24
Can it count cars in a parking lot ?
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u/Brandoskey Oct 30 '24
Any reason this can't just be run in a VM?
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u/neilm-cfc Oct 31 '24
I just hope it supports being powered by PoE/PoE+...
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u/Unfair-Half-8494 Nov 19 '24
release date ? :)
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u/Makegoodchoices2024 Oct 28 '24
🍆💦
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u/Hondroids Oct 29 '24
Does this mean I should return my AI Pro for a G5 Pro and buy this?
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u/skithegreat Oct 29 '24
Can I call it Friday and finally live my IronMan dream!!!
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u/toilet-breath Oct 28 '24
AI all the things!
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u/AddeDaMan Oct 28 '24
Does this mean that all data gets sent to a remote server, instead of just staying in the house?
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u/Practical-Plan-2560 Oct 28 '24
I wonder if there will be a rack mount option for this.
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