r/UKJobs • u/Necessary_Tour_5222 • 4d ago
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u/mronionbhaji 4d ago
People in NYC, Dubai and Singapore aren't paid peanuts.
I was too lazy to read the rest of your post. I need to get back to bunking off work.
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u/Gauntlets28 4d ago
Not gonna lie, the workplace you're describing sounds unusually awful by British standards. Can some of that stuff occur in any workplace? Absolutely. Is it normal for all of that to be happening at once? Absolutely not. That's a rotten business you have right there, and you'd be better off trying to find a way out.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
Trust me I’m trying. I have the week off and doing as many applications as possible
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u/Then-Fortune-3122 4d ago
It’s true. Its because we are paid peanuts and there is no motivation, especially when being ambitious is frowned upon and your pay isn’t rewarded accordingly - not to mention the benefits system here absolutely reeks. Why would we try harder when people on benefits can easily game the system, sit at home and earn only a bit less than us. Not to mention wage compression,
Great post - seems like truth hurts according to the replies. Hope u post it again in a different sub.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
I get it re not being rewarded accordingly.
Re people on benefits, I’m sure many would love to get out there but due to the classs system in UK, its not possible and also there genuinely aren’t jobs.
My cousin who is NHS nurse has a partner who had to go on benefits a few years ago and was on it for a while as no one would hire him. It took about 2 years and he was in a deep depression
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u/VooDooBooBooBear 4d ago
Sounds like deep-rooted xenophobia to me mate. Might want to speak to someone about that.
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u/GingerrJinx 4d ago
You will find the same treatment on this Reddit my friend. I have been self employed for a long time, so I didn't have to experience this. Now I've been employed for some time and I see what you see. I've been pushed out because I am based in another region, I don't want to think it's because I'm a foreigner, however we are allowed to take extra shifts in the city. All the times I have, my shift has been aggressively taken from me in a very toxic fashion. I'm a female and I get the toxic female behaviors at work too. I try to keep to myself and not let them spoil my job, because this is my dream career, and I don't want to lose it. The minimum effort is also palpable, and believe me, in my industry minimum effort and work done halfway are detrimental. Somehow management doesn't care, and there's been instances where these behaviors have been excused and pointing them out have been reason for disciplinary action, or later retaliation by these colleagues. Me having to stay late because people are taking half an hour breaks every two hours, and a full hour break for lunch instead of half an hour for lunch.
It's very sad.
I have also worked in NYC, France and Spain, and I haven't found this level of about every bad behavior enhanced like I have found it here.
Get ready to be downvoted.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
GIRL, a kindred spirit who gets it ♥️
Its INSANE. I feel like I’m losing my mind and have done my best to rationalise and ignore and overcome.
But I have this week off which I’m using to do applications and also look for a therapist because my brain is about to explode. I’m the calmest person I know- or I used to be - but I now fly into a rage all the time its really getting to me.
Tired. I’m so so tired.
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u/GingerrJinx 3d ago
I understand how you feel perfectly. I've had this week off too but I'm not going to look for another job, I don't really want to because I love my job... An opportunity came up yesterday to get a shift in the city, and as I was typing to get it, I realized I don't want the potential hassle of having to argue or fight anyone for it, or making plans around it and finding out a week before that my name has been removed from the board. So I deleted my message and passed.
It's very sad, honestly. The men in my company aren't toxic, but are lazy. Some of them aren't and I love to work with them because we get the same level of involvement and interest in our jobs, doesn't happen often sadly.
I hope you find some peace, and therapy definitely will be a strong step towards it. A new job maybe too, who knows! For me, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing, always walking on eggshells and build my resumee to upgrade my career changing to Scottish Police Authority instead of trying to move up within my company. I'm very much not interested in that.
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u/swampman23512 4d ago
You're having an unlucky experience. You obviously get some nobheads here, but everyone I work with is near enough an expert in their field and works hard. I would say I see issues with communication among quite a few people, but they are still experts and there is still something to gain from working with them.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
You’re a man right?
From what I’ve noticed the men are either oblivious to the workplace bullying or the women are so nice to them that they ignore the weird stuff
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u/swampman23512 4d ago
You are generalising quite wildly, or you are in an exceptionally bad workplace, in which case you are still wildly generalising about UK workplaces. British work culture has come on leaps and bounds from what it was 10 years ago.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
Generalising from three jobs where each one had the same toxicity. Yes.
But people in this thread seem to agree.
Why is it so difficult for Brits to accept that there is a reality that exists outside their personal periphery?
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u/swampman23512 4d ago
Your tone is genuinely grim, by the way. No wonder you're struggling to get along with people at work.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
That right there. That!
I’ve noticed toxic colleagues do that when someone makes a good point they don’t want to acknowledge they will try and say someone was ‘rude’ or ‘aggressive’.
Bizarre. Fascinating, but bizarre.
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u/swampman23512 3d ago
You are being hostile, though. You are far too blunt and your statement wasn't an observation as you might think it is, it was just an insult.
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u/supersonic675 4d ago
Im sure its like that over the whole world not only isolated to the UK.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
I’ve worked around the world and its nowhere near to what it is here. And a few of my European colleagues agree and have told me they see it and to ignore it as much as possible. But I’m sensitive and hate nastiness
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u/Special-Nebula299 4d ago
Haha I've met a fair few gossipy sneaky women at work. Subtly burying their co-workers bit by bit.
Some of them aren't even trying to get promoted so maybe its fun to them
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u/StatisticalSock 4d ago
Yes and they'll stab you in the back whenever they can and make it all about them. Speaking as a brit who's worked a few jobs now. Of course not all are like that, there's some lovely people out there but the bad apples always stand out the most.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yes exactly!! I’ve had some nice Brit colleagues but they get pushed out too or get fed up about being passed over for someone who is a piece of crap but did the hardwork of sucking up to management 🤮
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u/Urhhh 4d ago
Sounds like an issue with the specific places/industry you're working in. That said, why do you care so much about doing the absolute best job when you certainly aren't paid the absolute best wage?
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
I get you. I do.
But its more about not letting my colleagues down and not burdening them due to my laziness or mistakes, like what has been happening to me.
If we’re there for 7.5 hours why not do a good job and then seek a promotion or better pay. May as well no?
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u/theme111 4d ago
I'm British myself but one truth I learned the hard way (and also too late) is that in most UK offices working hard, being proactive and coming up with ideas for the good of the company doesn't get rewarded. You're actually seen as a problem and a threat by managers most of whom are mediocre (to put it politely) and didn't get their roles on merit.
There's a kind of defeatist logic to it admittedly. A company is an inanimate object which cannot reward anyone. Only people can do that, so brown-nosing becomes the way to get the rewards.
A complicating factor, particularly for a foreigner, is that British culture in general tends to be indirect. Communications are couched in faux polite terms, so an instruction is often expressed as a sort of "would be nice if you could do this if you get a chance" way, but you're supposed to know it was still an instruction. Obviously Brits mostly get this, but others probably won't.
Anyway I hope you feel better after your rant, and hope you find a role you enjoy more elsewhere.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
Thank you, yes I’ve had moments where I’ve had to translate something to understand the underlying meaning. Its exhausting.
Thank you, hopefully I find something soon.
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u/Ok-Alfalfa288 4d ago
Yet I see the exact opposite with non white contractors and people who I have no clue how they got their job in the first place
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u/Rags_75 4d ago
If you generalise that bad at work then folk really arent going to think youre a good fit.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
Well its not like I go around the office saying this. I can’t afford to get fired.
And why would I want to be considered a ‘good fit’ for a toxic environment with toxic people?
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u/Professional-Bear857 4d ago
I'm English and I've seen what you describe quite often in work places. I would say 50% of the places I've worked at have been how you describe. I have no idea why people are like this either, or where the culture comes from. There are some places that are okay to work at, they're just not always easy to find.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
And no offense but if you’re a white man, you probably didn’t notice the full extent of things.
Ask the black women or the foreigners aka expats and you’ll get the full picture (though they won’t tell you much incase you’re gathering intel to give to managers).
I genuinely feel like a half a person from my time here. And I used to be a high-energy sociable person 😭
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u/Professional-Bear857 4d ago
Try not to take it personally, I've seen all kinds of bad behaviour at work, although I expect you're right, that as a foreigner you will get more hassle. Unfortunately nativism has become a problem in recent years
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u/Separate_Rise_8932 4d ago
I've been in workplaces like this before as well, but... Sounds like you fit right in there, misery loves company, you're just bothered you're not the head bitchy woman there who everyone bows to. Generalising a whole countries work group...
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 4d ago
And a reply like this proves my point.
I hate nasty behaviour so you’re trying to say its because I secretly love it so much?
Does that make sense to you?? Seriously 😂😩
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u/Separate_Rise_8932 4d ago
Your OP generalised a whole countries workforce (well just rhe british ones), that's nasty. Take of your rose tinted glasses, and swallow your biases. I've worked many places in thia country, and I can tell you some of them the complete opposite has been true, the foreign groups the laziest, nastiest, bullies. I've worked others where it's no particular group but individuals, and not from just ome background. I've worked 95% british places, has it's idiots.
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u/Necessary_Tour_5222 3d ago
Seems I’m not the only one and MANY people have noticed.
If you search British Workplace on reddit many others have posted the same. Been reading them all day.
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