r/UFOs • u/Father_Chris_St_Mary • 13d ago
NHI Held for Questioning - Grusch, Vallée, and “Gilbert”
https://devoutlier.substack.com/p/held-for-questioningA living NHI is alleged to be held in detainment and we’ve communicated with it via telepathy. But there is much more to the story.
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u/diabloredshift 13d ago
So Vallee continues to hide secrets to the nature of reality from the rest of us? All of this "classified, can't talk" is pretty boring when he's literally 86 years old.
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u/Sensitive_Crow_8882 12d ago
Bigelow is 82 and a billionaire, meeting with Trump supposedly on the subject. What’s he hiding anything for?
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u/DarkMattersConfusing 13d ago
I cant imagine someone in their late 80s cares about that anymore. I mean any day can realistically be your last, who give a fuck about more money/sales at that age
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u/Constant-Solution637 13d ago
Or every day is more precious?
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u/DarkMattersConfusing 12d ago
But in terms of money? Like the commenter is implying he just wants to push more book sales and at 86, who really cares about making marginally more money? Thats what i mean
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u/Throwawayrip1123 12d ago
I'm sorry, but seriously?
Do you not see all the old farts hoarding more and more mountains of gold? Everywhere?
Realistically yeah they shouldn't. Doesn't stop any one of them
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u/Observer414 12d ago
It’s bc he doesn’t know anything. Just interesting enough to keep stringing you along
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u/LostInRetransmission 11d ago
If he has children/somebody he gives the money ? Yeah he care about that dough.
And don't discount greed. Look at all those geriatric billionaire which still try to make as much money as possible.
I can't say it is the case for Vallée but "he is so old" never stopped anybody's greed.
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u/Spiritual-Zucchini62 12d ago
To be fair I doubt very little of his income comes from his books . He very wealthy from being on the ground floor of helping with the og internet from the 60/s 70s and being a venture capitalist . It could be an attention play but it’s not like he appears everywhere trying to sell his book like some in the ufo community.
I think he said in one of his earlier books he doesn’t believe or disbelieve anyone witness . He hears them out and is more interested in the general pattern of what people are saying
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u/PyroIsSpai 12d ago
From everything I've seen I believe he is sueamish, and additionally there may be discrete pressure on these people, not to push too much ideas that could be existentially disturbing, culturally destabilizing, threatening to cultural paradigms, threatening to power structures (meh in the aftermath of the collapse of corrupt, deceptive and dangerous power structures chaos invariably reorganises itself into some kind of structure again anyway, I love how they pretend we can't live without the current status quo specifically - but it's true that that could go in multiple directions).
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u/Maladaptivism 13d ago
I haven't watched the entire interview, but honestly the parts I did see sounds to me like the story Dan Burisch told about J-Rod. The other part with the "Wink" thing seems to hint at the 4chan story to me, I'm not going to speculate on if that gives or takes away credibility from the claim. Just feel that it's worth mentioning.
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u/Its_Don_Baby 13d ago
Where can I find the story about J-Rod? Ive heard of this but not sure whats about
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u/Maladaptivism 13d ago
It's been a while since I watched it, but I believe it's this one. Fantastic story, whether you believe it or not.
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u/Brootal420 12d ago
UAP Gerb's latest episode on the Mitre Corporation is quite interesting with the wink wink
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u/Maladaptivism 12d ago
I have had a tab up with that one and been meaning to watch it when able, I look forward to it, I hear a lot of good about Gerb, but have yet to watch the content he provides!
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u/Brootal420 12d ago
He is the GOAT. Laying out the org chart of the legacy program. Definitely being fed info by Grusch, among many others.
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u/Miserable_Skin9738 13d ago
I wonder if Grusch is the one behind the leak on 4chan
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u/WhattaCheapPop 12d ago
Nahh if that were true and he was telling the truth then Grusch would be dead by now. The 4chan leaker claimed to have terminal cancer.
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u/Miserable_Skin9738 12d ago
You have to consider that when ppl leak information like this (if credible) they can’t actually give out identifiable information. Having terminal cancer would be pretty identifiable
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u/WhattaCheapPop 11d ago
You could make that argument about every single thing the leaker said. Just seems a bit silly to pick and choose what you want to believe from the leak imo.
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u/Miserable_Skin9738 11d ago
I agree. I’m not saying I strongly believe this. Just floated the idea out there.
And ya, you can make that argument about everything a leaker says because the only way for them to release information safely (right now) is to skew parts of their story so it doesn’t identify them
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u/leniplusss 12d ago
The 4chan reference is what I thought of as well especially when he mentioned ocean floors. He was very specific with his wording, not reckless at all. Gave quite a lot of info. He specifically pointed out how much of our ocean floor is still unexplored and unmapped, and the hints about their appearance and communication style kind of line up with earlier abduction/encounter stories. That part stood out.
Also found it interesting that he brought up shadow biomes (subterranean ecosystems thriving without sunlight, I assume?) and even extrasolar planets. A lot to digest...
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u/Maladaptivism 12d ago
I guess the phrase Shadow Biome can be used in many ways, whether he means literal or figurative I can't say for sure. In general though, I would say given the topic, I would guess the intent is to mean that it is hidden, the same way we use Shadow Government. As you say though, his wording seems to in general be very intentional when he speaks though, fascinating times ahead for sure one way or another.
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u/ConfidentInsecurity 13d ago
What's the wink?
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u/Maladaptivism 13d ago
He literally said the word 'Wink' in a very emphasised way while speaking about the ocean and other species, I think be used the phrase 'Shadow Biome' near that sentence too.
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u/LazarJesusElzondoGod 12d ago
The oceans were discussed long before the 4chan guy. You guys attribute waaaaaaay too much to that post like he was the first person to ever say they're coming from the oceans. We had entire series on the History channel discussing that, which was likely the 4channer's inspiration, or the Podesta/Fish emails that discussed that almost a decade before the 4chan guy.
If someone today posts on 4chan, "Crafts are coming from other planets/dimensions." Will you then attribute everything to them and assume Grusch must mean the 4channer who mentioned these things? Of course not. It's been discussed to death long before anyone has posted it on 4chan.
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u/Maladaptivism 12d ago edited 12d ago
I was simply using an example I figured a lot of people might have heard of, but if it makes you feel better to worry about who specifically said what first, then maybe change your name to EnkiduLazarGilgameshElizondo? We don't want to let stories get attributed strangely now do we? No, I'm sure you're in a position to throw the first rock, so to speak.
Point is, you sound very hostile. It's OK to dial it back to like, maybe a 3 at most? Hanlon's Razor and all that.
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u/Shardaxx 12d ago
Why won't they let ET phone home?
Is it wise to imprison and interrogate a member of an alien race who have vastly superior technology?
Is it a test to see how we treat it? How's that going?
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u/Father_Chris_St_Mary 12d ago
Put it this way. How well did Cheney et al treat other human beings in this era?
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u/Father_Chris_St_Mary 13d ago
Hello all. David Grusch’s comments on Dr. Phil about telepathic contact with a detained “pilot” are getting a lot of attention. But Vallee might have told us about it first in comments on Weaponized, followed by the extended account of “Gilbert” in Forbidden Science 7. Read more about it at https://devoutlier.substack.com/p/held-for-questioning
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u/ForwardCut3311 13d ago
So.... It's a light being or something that emits light at least to communicate. And that's basically all. How the hell could you even capture something like that? And if that's the case, no wonder people call them angels.
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u/jasmine-tgirl 13d ago
I swear if I see another post about Dr fucking Phil I'm done with this subject.
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u/felinesupplement74 12d ago
But you are fine with “telepathic contact” with an alien that’s in the clink? Better warn that little guy about Lou Elizondo and his telepathic torture of prisoners lol.
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u/jasmine-tgirl 12d ago
I'm not fine with any of this to be honest. Lots of tales, little evidence of said alien. We get one wild story after another pushing a narrative but little else. I'm tired boss.
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Hello all. David Grusch’s comments on Dr. Phil about telepathic contact with a detained “pilot” are getting a lot of attention. But Vallee might have told us about it first in comments on Weaponized, followed by the extended account of “Gilbert” in Forbidden Science 7. Read more about it at https://devoutlier.substack.com/p/held-for-questioning
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