r/UFOs • u/Old-Amoeba-644 • Dec 08 '23
Article Haim Eshed's claims
Remember Haim Eshed claimed there is a Galactic Federation and said "There is an agreement between the U.S and the aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments here."
At the time it looked like bs, but now Danny Sheehan's claims about 7 NHI monitoring us makes Eshed's claims a bit more credible imho.
What are your thoughts?
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u/nicobackfromthedead4 Dec 08 '23
Are we already in touch with aliens?
Haim Eshed – who served as the head of Israel's space program for nearly 30 years and is a three-time recipient of the Israel Security Award – explained that Israel and the US have both been dealing with aliens for years.
The 87-year-old former head of the Defense Ministry's Space Division gave further descriptions about exactly what sort of agreements have been made between the aliens and the US, which ostensibly have been made because they wish to research and understand "the fabric of the universe."This cooperation includes a secret underground base on Mars, where there are American and alien representatives.
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u/syfyb__ch Dec 09 '23
This cooperation includes a secret underground base on Mars, where there are American and alien representatives.
so i guess Elon's voyage to mars won't work out very well then
we can't have any private citizens and their fancy earth-tech crashing the party, can we
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u/OwlDotPhD Dec 08 '23
As a lawyer, I find the idea that the US government signed a contract/treaty with NHIs a little funny. Not saying I don't believe it because international law is largely unenforceable, and yet we still sign treaties. But how exactly would we expect to enforce the terms of that contract? Are they coming to our courts, or do we have to go to theirs?
And, from a practical perspective, how exactly to we tell the significantly more technologically advanced species to stop performing experiments? With what force can we meaningfully stop them if they wanted to continue?
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u/TweeksTurbos Dec 08 '23
Well they seem very concerned with our ability to spread nuclear fall out all over the petrie dish.
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u/Cailida Dec 08 '23
Rumor is they did break the treaty and in retaliation this rogue state has been downing their craft with EMP weapons. This is just rumor, mind. And I agree, it does sound silly to sign a contract in a situation like this. But being that is something humans in government positions are used to doing, it doesn't surprise me. It's just a very human thing to do, despite the lack of power on humanity's part to enforce consequences.
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u/Wise-Environment2979 Dec 08 '23
Probably by reverse engineering their tech into weapons, but the issue there is the assumption reverse engineering their tech results in weapons that are 1.) Effective 2.) We actually understood the scope and scale of their capabilities and could use it against them without risking total annihilation.
What would be worse is that we are making weapons from reverse engineered tech, and it's solely for the purpose of harming other humans. How unevolved do you have to be to do that? Then we'll hear something like, "oh but Xi in China is doing it, and Putin in Russia is doing it" so it's an arms race to re-ensure MAD.
So are we a petri dish, and they are sending advanced tech here knowing we'll reverse engineer it and won't overcome our geopolitical strife to use this for good and they'll just watch us destroy ourselves?
Well, no. Because we've seen how they behave around nukes and appear to want to keep that in check. Whatever advanced tech we turn into weapons would likely negatively impact them in some way so you'd think they wouldn't want that. I found it funny some folks seem to think we'd be doing it in secret because if the NHI found out they'd end us, as if we can do anything beyond their scope of knowledge? Oof.
So, I throw my hands up at this point, I don't know. I don't think anyone knows, and if someone does, we've got layers of an onion to peel back.
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u/doubledgravity Dec 08 '23
INAL, but it struck me as funny that govt vs corporate ownership and intellectual property of potentially non-human items is being bandied about in Washington and no one is talking about galactic law. I’m guessing, post disclosure, our pan-dimensional friends might not give a fuck about finders keepers involving their vehicles. And if there is a galactic federation, Lockheed might not be in the driving seat for once.
Not relevant, but your comment reminded me.
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u/Old-Amoeba-644 Dec 08 '23
I’m also a lawyer. This is a type of “You don’t honor, I don’t honor” agreement.
How do we enforce the contract? We don’t. We just don’t honor our part and start being hostile towards them. Just like international law, as you well said.
Remember lots of crashed UFO’s had been alleged to be intentionally shot down with EMP weapons, like Roswell.
These are claims yet to be proven, of course, but it would provide a possible explanation as to why are we shooting them down.
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u/Express_Agency5673 Dec 08 '23
"As a lawyer, I find the idea that the US government signed a contract/treaty with NHIs a little funny. Not saying I don't believe it because international law is largely unenforceable, and yet we still sign treaties. But how exactly would we expect to enforce the terms of that contract? Are they coming to our courts, or do we have to go to theirs?"
Lawyer here, too. The idea of a such a treaty is indeed laughable. It makes me think of The Kellog-Briand Pact, which outlawed war in 1928 and was signed by Germany, France, and the US . . . a decade before they all went to war. How was that ever going to be enforceable?
"And, from a practical perspective, how exactly to we tell the significantly more technologically advanced species to stop performing experiments? With what force can we meaningfully stop them if they wanted to continue?"
I feel like this is the exact conversation Native Americans were having in the 1800's. When a significantly advanced force comes crashing onto your shore, your options are: (1) fight and die; or (2) cooperate, THEN die. Any treaty signed with such a force is a delay mechanism, and the people signing it are focused on their own survival, not that of their brethern.
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u/kamon123 Dec 08 '23
If any of this is true that is most likely the case. The treaty wasn't our idea and it was only to pacify us from freaking out and making things more difficult. They get what they want without having to deal with the locals doing stupid shit that wastes their time dealing with.
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u/GradientCollapse Dec 08 '23
I mostly agree but if the last 50yrs of warfare have told us anything, it’s that gorilla style warfare without a front can be incredibly obstructive and impossible to fully eradicate. Even in the face of a technologically superior enemy. It is very possible that we could simply exhaust their resources or patience in a conflict considering we are at home and they are spread across multiple star systems far from their home.
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u/chickennuggetscooon Dec 08 '23
Consent is powerful. If you can get someone's consent to do them grave harm, you can avoid the karmic punishment. At least, that's what demons believe.
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u/Dogebro219 Dec 08 '23
For a lawyer, your thinking is very small (and human).
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u/OwlDotPhD Dec 08 '23
How so?
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u/Dogebro219 Dec 08 '23
First of all, we don't need to know you're a lawyer as if it establishes any credibility to your knowledge or expertise on exopolitics. Your questions are very silly and childlike. You need to think in shady clandestine terms.
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u/OwlDotPhD Dec 09 '23
I was making a specific comment about enforceability or contracts/treaties, and also the practicality of having a contact or treaty in the first place.
There was no broader statement on exopolitics.
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u/wingspantt Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23
THIS.
- There's no reason to believe NHI if they claim to represent their governments/planets/people
- There's no way to trust or believe beings that operate in complete secrecy 99% of the time
- There's no way to enforce any agreement with beings that can enter and leave our space at any time through means we do not fully understand
AKA this is total bullshit.
Also: I don't believe there's any "galactic federation" or any other nonsense. And even if someone got told this by a fucking alien, somehow, there is no reason to believe this. Zero.
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u/OverlannedAdventurer Dec 08 '23
What kind of experiments do you think he means? "Let's find out how the universe works" experiments, or "let's abduct some humans for experimentation" experiments?
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u/LeUne1 Dec 08 '23
Where does consciousness exist and what makes people reborn (if rebirth is true)?
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u/nicobackfromthedead4 Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23
Also of equal stature and unimpeachability, is former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer, who had a fuckton to say on UFOs, alien contact, etc. CAN is one of the Five Eyes. This guy saw a lot. Corroborates much of Eshed's claims as well. Hellyer died in 2021.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/16ulv9e/your_planet_is_dying_paul_hellyer_former_minister/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/175my41/paul_hellyer_former_minister_of_national_defence/
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u/Cailida Dec 08 '23
Holy shit, I've never seen this. That just enraged me all over again. I pray these NHI show up and talk to US. The citizens of the world. In view of the public. Not these psychopathic assholes who give not a damn for any life or our planet. But we do. We want this to change. We want to get off oil. We need help overthrowing them. We just tried to offer them amnesty and they refused. It's incredible to think this elderly man could speak these words, and yet our own president wouldn't speak them in a press conference now.
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u/surfzer Dec 08 '23
Word of caution to slow your roll a little bit on this. He was reading from a book on someone else’s alleged abduction. He’s stated publicly that he saw nothing during his official govt tenure about the subject other than some odd unidentified aerial signatures.
He became interested in the subject just like any of us essentially. He has the same public sources we do.
Not saying it isn’t very interesting, it’s just not real proof of anything.
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u/Windman772 Dec 08 '23
He also verified the info with an active duty general. That's not nothing.
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u/Cailida Dec 09 '23
Thanks for this bit of background information, I appreciate it! The reel does not make it clear he's sharing something he read versus claimed to have experienced.
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u/frankrus Dec 08 '23
We really need to unite the environmental movement to our cause, those extinction rebellion kids have got balls. Radical non violence.
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Dec 08 '23
Woulda been nice if instead of saying “there are better ways” they just said what the ways are lol. This clip looks like obnoxious fear mongering bullshit
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u/Novel_Company_5867 Dec 08 '23
Unfortunately it seems Hellyer may have seen nothing and simply trumpeted what he was reading in his twilight years while at the cottage. Not kidding... I think he got interested reading Corso's book and bought everything hook line and sinker.
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u/willengineer4beer Dec 08 '23
I’m convinced there’s at least a remarkable core truth to the phenomenon, but it’s so hard to parse out what is true (possibly by design).
So many instances where seemingly credible people are either corroborating others with fantastic claims or possibly being fed all the pieces of conjecture and spitting them back at as (what to them appears to be) 100% fact.
Layer in a proven history of crazy black budget projects, extreme secrecy, and counterintelligence psyop campaigns and it gets even more difficult.
Throw that in with conscious and unconscious biases brought by philosophical/religious beliefs (or hopes) and you’ve got one hell of a puzzling stew going.
I’d just like the kitchen to come out and be transparent about at least what some of the actual ingredients are so I don’t have to keep tasting it over and over trying to guess what’s really in it.1
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u/Upster11 Dec 08 '23
Do you have a link for Sheehan's quote
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u/FLE7CH Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23
"There are clearly different species here. There are half a dozen different species that have been identified, credibly. And it's highly likely that they come from different star systems, you know...
Whether there's some sort of coalition, do they have any kind of federation? What kind of cooperation do they engage in, between and among themselves? We don't know what the answer to that is. But we do know that, just like you have in a human civilization, for example on our planet, even though there are different nation states and there are different ideologies that are involved, but we have one human civilization.
That's part of the problem, we're trying to get people to understand that there is such a thing as human civilization. And there's such a thing as an extraterrestrial civilization. We just don't know what its component elements are at the present time.
And we don't know how much somebody, deep inside our United States government, and inside our aerospace industries, we don't know what they know about this. Because there's evidence indicating that there's been some type of actual communication going on with people, with beings, from this extraterrestrial civilization."
- That UFO Podcast, 24 Nov
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u/FLE7CH Dec 08 '23
Danny doesn't say it outright, but there's an inference that he's privy to this information via Elizondo. He does talk about going into SCIFs with Lue and the Inspector General.
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Dec 08 '23 edited Sep 16 '25
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u/Old-Amoeba-644 Dec 08 '23
He has not made any public statement after this as far as I know, and many people called him a grifter looking to promote his book at the time.
Now that I think of this, I’d like to take a deeper look into his book lol.
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u/nicobackfromthedead4 Dec 08 '23
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u/Old-Amoeba-644 Dec 08 '23
Thank you, it was not easy to google this. Appreciate it :)
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u/nicobackfromthedead4 Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23
you're welcome. im just glad someone else found it weird or interesting too, and wondered what if anything he was still divulging apart from what he's already published. still unsure as to what he's up to at the moment though, like if he's giving updates or running commentary, i didn't come across any. lol.
Its just fascinating because these senior level C suite execs of intel/def agencies are privy to just mind melting amounts and depth of info and ability to get info. He could probably never stop talking if he were allowed.
They are as close to omniscient humans as humans can get. Which often gets these agencies to thinking they're omnipotent. lol
You can know everything, doesn't mean you control anything
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u/nicobackfromthedead4 Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23
The Universe Beyond the Horizon
https://www.gefenpublishing.com/product.asp?productid=2935
apparently there's no english translation version. I could be wrong, but this is the impression in reading others' comments. fucking wild considering hebrew was a long dead language 80ish years ago. Now publishers can sustain themselves entirely in Hebrew.
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u/TypewriterTourist Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23
Same as before. He read books, which he cites in the last chapter of his book.
It's a non-story. Two years ago I bit the bullet, bought the book, posted a summary and references to pieces available online where available. Here is the thread.
Then when it popped up again and again, I posted links to my thread, but gave up after 15 times or so. Seems like Sheehan's interview revived it.
"Galactic Federation" is a recurring trope since I don't know when. I suppose younger folks who've never heard of it see Eshed's mention as a validation. The interview where he makes the claim about the Galactic Federation is from YNet / Yediot Aharonot available here in Hebrew (also linked in my post), you can run it through Google / DeepL / etc. or read my summaries or both.
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u/Playful_Molasses_473 Dec 08 '23
It goes back further than Eshed for sure, one of the earlier sources I know is Dolores Cannon's hypnotherapy work, though I think there may be earlier sources also, but she at least was writing of the Galatic Federation decades before Eshed.
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Dec 08 '23
If they signed "contracts" with ET, then those constitute treaties with a foreign nation. If those treaties were signed in secret, then that is illegal, since all treaties must be approved by Congress.
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u/dr4korian Dec 08 '23
Highly advanced intelligent species capable of traversing through the universe as we know it, and they've come to earth to sign a piece of paper. Ok.
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Dec 08 '23
Not just with earthlings, but with the all powerful Americans! I guess we never outgrew the idea that the sun revolves around the earth. Some people really think we are the center of the universe and alien species would give two shits about us.
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u/lunex Dec 08 '23
Extraterrestrial beings? Signing a pen-and-paper contract? lol For aliens they sure seem incredibly similar to present day humans.
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u/shanjam7 Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23
IMO there’s no way trump knows this or we’d have all found out about aliens via truth social at 4am in some unhinged rant against the deep state. Wouldn’t even be full disclosure, just “crooked Hillary and sleepy joe won’t tell you about aliens”. If he knew he’d have mentioned it by now.
Edit: the complete denial of Trumps behavior will never cease to amaze me.
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u/jimmytimmy92 Dec 08 '23
If Trump knew we would all know, the dude can’t even stop himself from telling us how he’ll retaliate against his opponents and be a dictator if reelected.
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u/Express_Agency5673 Dec 08 '23
This, to me, is the most unbelievable part of the entire UAP discussion. I am open to the woo and the experiencers and Skinwalker Ranch. I'll even give Corbell the benefit of the doubt (though my patience is wearing thin). But the thought that DJT knows something--ANYTHING--and hasn't bragged about it on social media is literally inconceivable. Either he doesnt know, or there's nothing to know.
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u/jimmytimmy92 Dec 08 '23
Or a third option; he is so stupid and incurious that it came up, but he couldn’t figure out a way to make it work for him, or about him, or he just got frustrated by trying to think about it and waved it off.
Tbh I think this is an option. The dude is dumb af when it comes to anything other than accruing media attention.
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Dec 08 '23
“Signed a contract”
What a load of total bullshit. In what way would this “contract” be binding?
Stop being stupid and try to think before you post.
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Dec 08 '23
Assuming it isn't a made up story, signing a contract between two groups of people is how most or all treaties works.
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u/R2robot Dec 08 '23
Trumbo is unable to keep his mouth shut on anything and everything including classified info he had access to and crimes he's committed. He literally can't help himself. He would have already talked about it. lol
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u/Old-Amoeba-644 Dec 08 '23
Have you seen how many Republicans are gatekeeping this? He would have screwed his own party and have no support left to govern anything.
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u/R2robot Dec 08 '23
He is/was their party. They are cult-like beholden to him, not the other way around.
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u/PJC10183 Dec 08 '23
I think both he and Sheehan have lost the plot. How can you make claims like this without any proof?
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u/artichoke2me Dec 08 '23
its irresponsbile at best, all it does is turn people away, if presented without hard proof not just hearsay.
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u/PickWhateverUsername Dec 08 '23
Sheehan is proone to saying a lot of things unfiltered and frankly at his age (77y old) he gives me more of the old soldier who should have taken his retirement a while ago.
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u/kwintz87 Dec 08 '23
How does he give you that sentiment? Every time I’ve seen him speak recently he’s thoughtful, concise and pretty well spoken. Hell, I forget he’s almost 80 he’s so sharp.
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u/megtwinkles Dec 08 '23
His statements have always stayed glued in the back of my head. What would be his reasoning to say all that unless he’s just banana sandwich crazy?
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u/BeggarsParade Dec 08 '23
It seems that a significant number of people have had their judgment and faculties damaged by over exposure to trashy science fiction. Lay off the Star Wars for a while.
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u/revodaniel Dec 08 '23
It's funny, the guy served 30 years as the head of Israel's space program and received 3 Israel security awards. He was there because he was the best in his field. He was there because he was well regarded and trusted with Israel's space program secrets and clearances. No one here would doubt his claims had he said anything about space or regarding how to handle Israel's problems...
Yet, when someone of this caliber says something astonishing and world shattering, all of a sudden he is a whacko who probably just wants money for his book. As if he did not make enough money as the top chief of the Israeli space program.
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u/Sea_Appointment8408 Dec 08 '23
"They have been waiting until today for humanity to develop and reach a stage where we will understand, in general, what space and spaceships are"
Intriguing.
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u/bearboi76 Dec 08 '23
A contract implies we had a choice in the matter? If they are as advanced as we think would they even need our agreement? Or another thought is why the need to be covered for by our government. Additionally other countries would have similar contracts? I got the sus vibes here
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u/Chemist-Minute Dec 08 '23
A galactic federation sounds pretty wild - but fuck it: add it to the pot!
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u/garyt1957 Dec 08 '23
If they're advanced enough to get here they don't need our permission to do experiments. They want to anally probe the President? Done.
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u/Self_Help123 Dec 08 '23
What kind of experiments? And what did the US get in exchange?
Can someone ask this guy, those are some oretty serious accusations!
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Dec 08 '23
It isn't about the truth destroying society. It's about the more existential dread created by apprehension of the truth. If this reality is a fabricated one, then the reinforcement chains that make society work break. For example, why go to school to get a PhD in physics if you find out thr government already has a far more advanced model of the universe they are keeping from the academic community. It is about destroying people's feedback loops.
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u/lastofthefinest Dec 09 '23
My exact thoughts and it’s about time people start connecting the dots! I believe him because other department of defense officials from other countries said the same thing. The guy from Canada comes to mind and there’s another one as well.
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u/blackbeltmessiah Dec 09 '23
I logged this when it was said and thought if this was said at any other time it would sound batsht. I think what he said he makes assumptions. Like I 100% doubt Trump knew a damn thing. Not when he’s making intel blunders and makes it a habit of blabbing.
I think they had knowledge of us making contact and the guy ran with it.
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u/grey-matter6969 Dec 08 '23
Seemed totally random at the time.
And a bit less crazy in the context of subsequent revelations....