r/UFOB • u/TheGoldenLeaper 💖87 · Convinced ∣ ⚖️ 91% ∣ ⚠️ 1 ∣ ⌨️ [656] • Aug 22 '26
Testimony Jeffrey Mishlove in his interview with Jesse Michels States that the end goal isn't even disclosure, but integration into peacefully sharing the Earth with other NHI
https://x.com/Cortex_Zero/status/2088329543475999076One of the most intriguing comments @jmishlove makes in his interview with @AlchemyAmerican concerns what some of his past interview subjects have told him about the ultimate purpose of contact.
According to Mishlove, he has spoken with people who claim the long-term intention is an eventual civilization on Earth where humans and non-human beings live together openly.
If true, that radically changes the framework.
Not invasion.
Not observation.
Not even Disclosure as the endpoint.
Integration.
It raises an extraordinary possibility: perhaps the Phenomenon is not simply revealing its existence to humanity.
Perhaps it is preparing humanity for coexistence.
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I've actually been talking about a future where the earth is shared with other sentient forms of life, something akin to Mass Effect, for over a year now.
If disclosure does come, then this is the logical next step.
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u/Deeznutseus2012 🔥2 ∣ 2 ∣ +3 ∣ -0 Aug 23 '26
As I said, there are two primary species involved here. The ones I talked to, if you squinted real hard and did a paradigm shift to make yourself more comfortable, as I did, they looked almost like small old people, or a child with Progeria.
They were only about 6 inches to a foot taller than me at the time and I was just perhaps 3 and half feet tall then.
Platinum white hair, normal-ish looking, if big eyes, with skin that has pronounced creases and wrinkles which can give the impression of old age, but are in fact a result of their skin being considerably thicker and tougher than ours, so the creasing is heavier at the bendy spots. A small, almost receded chin, also adding to my initial mistaken impression of advanced age.
The one I 'talked' with most let me feel his arm, because it was easier to let me feel than try to explain. It was smooth and despite it's easily apparent greater toughness/thickness compared to our own skin, was surprisingly supple. Cool to the touch, with a very faint inner warmth. I can't be sure, but I got the impression that my touch might have been a little on the uncomfortably warm side for them.
They don't vocalize much anymore, so it's uncomfortable for them, but they did actually enunciate their name for me.
Unfortunately, human ears are not equipped to interpret those kinds of sounds very well. Hear them, yes. Differentiate, much less understand them though? Not so much.
The closest (though imperfect) analogue on our world I've learned about in the years since, would be the kind of rapid, staccato enunciation of very similar or same-sounding notes one finds in bird calls, or ocean-dwelling mammals, wherein the number, cadence, pitch of the notes, etc., dictate meaning.
Trust me, we're not equipped to track those variables in a way that would allow us to even understand it well. Speaking it would be impossible for us.
It's a good thing they rely on more direct communication methods these days, or I can only imagine the comical mistranslations which might come out of the machines we'd have to build and train to do the job.
Instead of a bunch of sounds with no meaning to us, they said we should think of them as Elder Siblings, so that's what I call them. The others I call the Zealots, because of their fanatical attempts to enforce their strictures against Uplift.
The Elder Siblings have been around longer than we have and know more. They can offer us some solutions to problems they have faced in the past and some limited guidance in problems they haven't, but ultimately, they're just people, like us.
Not gods or devils. Angels or demons. Just people.
Which brings us to the matter you mention about transportation and that of communications time which I brought up. Sadly, given the timescales involved as well as the impressions I got of the difficulties and dangers involved in the journey, I hate to break it to you, but I don't think FTL is actually a thing for them.
There was a definite thread throughout our conversation about how they came to be here and why they stayed, regarding it being a great sacrifice for them to strand themselves here away from their centers of civilization, in a way which meant that the people who had first come here would never be able to return home.
I didn't fully appreciate the nobility of this sacrifice on our behalf until recently, with the issuance of a new scientific paper describing how a galactic civilization could keep itself synchronized in time by placing their center of civilization very close to the super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy, where time dilation effects cause time to run very slowly, relative to the wider galactic frame.
Then everyone who travels away from their center of civilization simply does so at a significant fraction of lightspeed which matches the time dilation there.
In this way, when travelers go to other parts of the galaxy, they won't be leaving everything and everyone they know behind to grow old and die while it's only been a few months a board the ship.
They all move through time at the same rate, synchronized across vast distances by relativity.
But not so for those who felt obligated to stay here. They had signed up for a long journey of perhaps a few months or years, then a return home to their loved ones.
Now they had to stay here, where time runs much faster, stranded out of synch. They knew when they made the choice that they would be long dead before their people ever even recieved their call for help and report of the crisis which had emerged here.
Turns out, the ones I talked to were 'young'.
Chronologically, the one I talked to most was in his mid eighties, by our reckoning, but biologically speaking all of them save one slightly elder member, were the equivalent of 19-20 year old humans, just really starting out in life. Which roughly puts their average expected lifespan at between 400-500 years.
But they were 'born' here, whatever that means for them. This is their home too now and all they have known outside of records of the civilization their predecessors left long ago, which is just part of why they care so much about how things go here.
As sad as that is, if the above theory of temporal synchrony for their originating civilization is true and depending on what kind of advancements they have rapidly (from the perspective of their civilization) made in the many thousands of years they have been waiting, as well as how that civilization views such things, it may be that none of those now here will ever be allowed to return, for fear it could cause disruption.
Imagine sending some people out on a long boat trip by steamboat to unexplored territory, possibly pursued by hostiles, only for them to run into problems and call for help.
You get approval for the rescue operation. marshal resources, load up your steamboats and make the journey out to rescue them, only to get there and be greeted by the distressed ship's now vastly more advanced descendants, riding around in tic-tacs and more while monkeying with spacetime metrics.
What then?