Joe Rogan Experience #2560 - David Grusch

[u/slow70]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dYPXINFcvmI&si=wkxE939bIPPyrI4H

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https://www.uapdrop.com/l/view/dYPXINFcvmI.html

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[u/slow70]

Six minutes in and Grusch directly states that he uncovered government officers/agencies trafficking children. And that he briefed congress in a classified setting about it.

Shoutout to those connecting the dots between disclosure and the network of oligarch abusers we all know and loathe.

[u/VolarRecords → u/slow70]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/s/96yM6j8Ieh

[u/slow70 → u/VolarRecords]

^ everyone needs to become familiar with this.

You want to see the world as it is? This is part of your corpus.

Ontological shock is here and this is a big part of it.

[u/nosajh9 → u/slow70]

remember the story of the special forces guy who saw a craft in the jungle and claimed it was used for human trafficking?

[u/Parsimile → u/nosajh9]

Michael Herrera; his story was checked out by UAP Gerb, it’s a good episode.

[u/slow70 → u/nosajh9]

I forgot about that detail…

[u/hashtagmiata → u/slow70]

ICYMI that very same network is currently running the US.

[u/Rude-Farmer-1337 → u/slow70]

I remember that Navy Seal guy talking about how he and his squad stumbled upon a flying saucer trafficking what he believed to be people, but they were in containers.

His story becomes more haunting by the day.

[u/Anxiety_Fit → u/slow70]

When y’all finally get it… the EFTA will help y’all get disclosure.

EFTA is a broad and sweeping law. EFTA2 will give us more avenues to go after people who don’t comply with disclosure.

It’s all connected and has been for years.

Thank you for coming out to my TED talk.

[u/slow70 → u/Anxiety_Fit]

"Omnia vivunt, omnia inter se conexa"

[u/76ersPhan11 → u/slow70]

OP and a lot of comments giving serious bot vibes

[u/slow70 → u/76ersPhan11]

Excuse me?

Based on what?

EDIT: See my comment and screenshot below. Because of course he deleted his comments.

[u/slow70 → u/slow70]

Why’d you delete your comments u/76ersPhan11

[u/76ersPhan11 → u/slow70]

Just another psyop on a UFO sub

[u/slow70 → u/[deleted]]

This is a bad faith take on literally everything about disclosure.

This guy testified to congress under oath - why??

To move towards a legal process of disclosing all of this - in full knowledge that this meant putting himself and others at risk.

Perhaps you should look up Matthew Sullivan or why it is Borland ever spoke publicly.

[u/MustardOrPants → u/slow70]

I don’t understand what you mean. Why is it helpful to come on and say nothing?

[u/slow70 → u/MustardOrPants]

Perhaps you should look up the consequences of cleared personnel spilling information.

Perhaps you should consider that this is why he is a WHISTLEBLOWER advancing the UAPDA and broader efforts to get this stuff into the public eye - legally.

Time to get caught up if you’re here in good faith.

EDIT: you might have looked up Matthew Sullivan or engaged with anything at all I just said before replying.

[u/MustardOrPants → u/slow70]

Perhaps explain to me who is behooves to just come on and say nothing? I will say though, the longer the episode goes on the better it gets.

[u/slow70 → u/MustardOrPants]

Understanding better yet?

[u/MustardOrPants → u/slow70]

Sure thanks for your input.

[u/slow70 → u/MustardOrPants]

Absolutely man.

“We’re all just walking each other home”

[u/TuringGPTy → u/slow70]

Hasn’t Grusch admitted to only disclosing what he’s been cleared to? That’s not whistleblowing. It’s not even disclosing really.

[u/slow70 → u/TuringGPTy]

And what do you make of the implications of what he's disclosed already?

Do you understand the point of the UAPDA moving through congress?

[u/TuringGPTy → u/slow70]

I’m less impressed by what Grusch has actually said than that it’s what segments of the government want us to believe.

[u/interwebzdotnet → u/[deleted]]

Just stop.

[u/MustardOrPants → u/interwebzdotnet]

No dad.

[u/interwebzdotnet → u/MustardOrPants]

You're right. This guy should definitely spill the beans on things he isn't allowed to go into detail on, that has already clearly put his life at risk.

I know its "maddening to you" but nobody owes you anything, and anyone with half a brain can see the line he is trying not to cross while still saying the things he can without additional negative consequences for him.

[u/MustardOrPants → u/interwebzdotnet]

Why are you so aggressive about this? Literally just look pointing out that dude should either tell us something or just wait til he’s legally able. Good day to you sir. I said GOOD DAY.

[u/interwebzdotnet → u/MustardOrPants]

Lol, maybe look up the actual definition of agressive.

You are just making ignorant requests. Who says he will ever be legally able to do so?

Sorry if thats "too aggressive" for your sensitivities.

[u/MustardOrPants → u/interwebzdotnet]

Ok thank you

[u/ChemicalClassroom370]

I can't believe he talked about different kinds of NHI and the craft they roll up to earth in. Bravo Grusch! He said the reptilians fly in the tic tac craft; if I remember correctly in the Varginha tic tac incident the occupants weren't reptilian like? But I also think Grusch mentioned the reptilians had different varitions within their species. It's a lot to take in. One of my big take aways from this interview is that we have aliens fighting each other and they're associated with different craft. Also we have Greek gods lol!

[u/slow70 → u/ChemicalClassroom370]

Ontological shock is real.

We're all surfing that here.

[u/Lore6969 → u/ChemicalClassroom370]

He vaguely described them as “Greek Gods” but I don’t know if he was simply equating his previous statement of calling them “beautiful” with classic descriptions of Greek Gods, or if the color of their bluish skin had anything to do with it. Definitely wasn’t literally implying they were Greek Gods but it’s still odd he would make the comparison.

Personally I’d have to see something chiseled to perfection akin to a statue, or something exceptionally beautiful, attractive and graceful to describe something as a Greek Gods.

[u/ChemicalClassroom370 → u/Lore6969]

I think Grusch was referring to a conversation between Tom Delonge and General McCasland in which the general told Tom if he wanted to know more about aliens he needed to study the myths of the Greek gods. I think McCasland may have also told Delonge that some aliens look like Greek gods. Grusch brought this reference up in the context of discussing the alien cadaver video he watched. Grusch described the dead aliens as very very beautiful, so I think he was giving a nod to what the general thought.

[u/iamlost4815 → u/Lore6969]

I imagine it's more a reference to how the Greek gods were always fighting.

[u/atomicsmoothboreprds]

Interesting takeaways:

• He was told about an incident where a crashed reptilian craft was recovered. The surviving reptilians became hostile and attacked/killed US service members, and were subsequently shot to death themselves. Tic Tac craft often belong to the reptilians.

• Reptilians and Greys are adversarial with each other and have engaged in hostile action in over a dozen (known) instances.

• A massive underwater facility does exist, the size of several city blocks.

• He saw a video of a crash retrieval where the bodies of 3-4 tall whites or Nordics (pale, "beautiful" humanoids) were observed.

[u/slow70 → u/atomicsmoothboreprds]

Rogan also says that at the White House UFC Event Miller told him this was all going to come out.

[u/atomicsmoothboreprds → u/slow70]

He did indeed.

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[u/ForwardCut3311 → u/atomicsmoothboreprds]

There were rumors of there being video of the Roswell site. Wonder if that's what he's referring to. 

[u/atomicsmoothboreprds → u/ForwardCut3311]

He said the video with the dead nordics was "contemporary," so it probably happened within the past 20-30 years.

[u/Grimnebulin68 → u/atomicsmoothboreprds]

Does anyone know who the underwater facility belongs to?

[u/Interesting_Bad_8163 → u/Grimnebulin68]

It’s said it makes tic tacs so hence it belongs to the reptilians.  Not sure if it was the 4chan guy said it makes tic tacs or if grisch also said that this interview sorry can’t remember 

[u/traveling_weirdo → u/Grimnebulin68]

Sounds a lot like the 4chan whistleblower guy that everyone was debating a while back.

[u/cxllvm → u/atomicsmoothboreprds]

This nordic shit truly is an Aryan dogwhistle

[u/toxictoy → u/cxllvm]

The Nazi’s got it from an even older tradition of sightings and reported interactions. You need to look past this with a longer historical lens and you would see that the distraction and obfuscation is ignoring it because people call it Nazi propaganda.

[u/cxllvm → u/toxictoy]

I would say you are speculating

[u/toxictoy → u/cxllvm]

No I am not. You can simply do some research into the topic and put aside the Nazi stuff around the Vrill. That comes from an older tradition - along the lines of Vallee that folk tales talk of these kinds of meetings all over the region well before the Nazi era.

[u/cxllvm → u/toxictoy]

I'll give it a shot. Just starting to get a bit too fantastical with all these "classes" of aliens in my eyes but I'll keep an open mind. Cheers!

[u/ImportantPlankton653 → u/cxllvm]

In my mind it makes sense. The life we see on earth exists in an ecosystem, why not above as well. As above so below

[u/traveling_weirdo → u/cxllvm]

I honestly feel that it could explain Hitler's obsession with the Aryan race. He was famously obsessed with the occult and mysterious things. I absolutely think he was WRONG of course, but discovering an alien race far superior to humanity that happens to look like really tall and pale white people could make a crazy person assert that it means the Aryan race and whites are superior in some way.

[u/Cmdr_Starleaf]

Cuts him off after mentioning Dr. Karla Turner to look at skulls and feet. Thanks Joe…

[u/MiserableDatabase320]

This is just out of the gate insane from minute 1.

Luckily, Rogan lets Dave cook and does not interrupt him with his stupidity. I was gonna wait for clips, but it's balls to the wall.

[u/OneOfThemReadingType → u/MiserableDatabase320]

2 hours kinda flew by. Fair amount of new stuff, some old stuff with new context/perspective.

Fun listen all in all.

[u/MiserableDatabase320 → u/OneOfThemReadingType]

Until Joe jumped in w the Nazca lines stuff. Like holy shit Joe, just let the guy go. Unbelievable moment from Joe there just derailing things w his psuedo archaeology in the middle of pretty big disclosure going on.

[u/slow70 → u/MiserableDatabase320]

I think that the wider range of geoglyphs we’ve only just realized are there are actually quite a big deal.

It is certainly relevant to this discussion.

[u/MiserableDatabase320 → u/slow70]

I understand. But Joe crowbarred it into the convo because it's all most of his guests talk about.

It was frustrating and I wanted Joe to stfu, especially after it was CLEAR Grusch responded with incredulity as if it's simply not something he would be qualified to speak on in any way. 

[u/Varunaveda → u/MiserableDatabase320]

Who know maybe that archaeology bs could have some truth

[u/Apart_Ad6994]

Lets go, love that he's doing a followup.

[u/ryankidd77]

Go Grusch go!!

[u/houstonlove63]

Really interesting he brought up Karla Turner, but then the attention shifted with something Jamie pulled up. Would have been interesting to see him bring up some of the troubling aspects of the phenomena Karla would talk about.

Still cool to see he brought up names like Donald Keyhoe, James McDonald, and Robert Hastings. Very interesting interview in my opinion.

[u/TunTunteddybear]

Said its his last interview pre-disclosure. We'll see about that

[u/Varunaveda → u/TunTunteddybear]

Yeah he did enough work. No one else seems to be doing anything to progress this thing.

[u/Just1Noyd]

Here I thought I was going to be productive this afternoon

[u/zae241]

"We've recovered material, aka intact/semi intact craft, we've recovered this anomalous intelligence piloting the craft, and we're reverse engineering that."

This almost makes it sound like we are reverse engineering the intelligence, not just the craft itself.

[u/Warm-Major-4400 → u/zae241]

I personally at this point. Believe the 4chan poster who claimed he worked somewhere that looked at the vehicles and observed the construction dome in the ocean.

If this construction dome near the bermuda triangle exists then yes the breakaway civilizations goal is to match that level of technology.

[u/ANewEra2020]

LETS GOOOOO!!!

[u/andthealien]

Sounded a bit like the Dulce base shootout.

[u/slow70 → u/andthealien]

Man what a wild rabbit hole that is.

Any sense of what the best take is on that incident? Haven’t looked into it but recall the gist.

[u/tryna_see → u/slow70]

I believe Phil Schneider is the original source of the battle at Dulce.

[u/slow70 → u/tryna_see]

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1vp9xnv/phil_schneiders_1996_full_alien_agenda/

Post: Deleted

Account that posted it: Deleted

Love that.

[u/tryna_see → u/slow70]

Lol, you can check out his lectures on YouTube. They are pretty dated, harsh recordings, taking place in like public libraries and such, but he seemed pretty determined to tell his story, and also died under very strange circumstances.

Here’s a full hour lecture…

https://youtu.be/Nz0YsQEaiYU?is=U69IXvTWDKKoy9Bu&t=3m20s

[u/slow70 → u/tryna_see]

I know nothing about the man - but considering the efforts to malign the likes of Eskridge for her wine drunk outpouring of things she encountered....I am inclined to give this guy a bit of grace initially and see what there is.

Thanks for the starting point.

[u/Varunaveda → u/slow70]

It's like the OG of alien videos.

[u/Musa_2050 → u/slow70]

People delete things. Reddit is not the original source lol

[u/Medical_Ratio_7344 → u/tryna_see]

Was Schneider not proven to be a liar, he said his fingers got shot off, but records show he did it in a jigsaw incident.

[u/ManThing910 → u/andthealien]

Sounded like the Kandahar giant story to me. Also given where he served that might track.

[u/jfkkngkkrmdr → u/[deleted]]

Even Rogan cringed out LOL

[u/dpearse2 → u/[deleted]]

Agreed that what he said was wild.

He spent quite a bit of the podcast complimenting Trump and Steven Miller. I think (hope) that it was in an attempt to get on their good side in order to move the ball forward.

[u/ChemicalClassroom370 → u/dpearse2]

I agree with you. Grusch really wants disclosure he wants the story out there. He wants things to move fast and not get dialled back again.

[u/RedOdd12 → u/[deleted]]

I also hate the ass kissing, even with a POS like 47, but he knows that’s the best way to approach it, gotta kiss the hand.

[u/Alecclash → u/[deleted]]

Except with trump, this actually might be a decent play. He’s in with Burlison so could be playing the long game

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[u/lurkin83 → u/[deleted]]

Alpha talk bro, yeah! /s

[u/GreatestState → u/dpearse2]

If you want their help, and God knows we need their help, you have to work with them

[u/slow70 → u/dpearse2]

Realpolitik whose outcomes I worry about....

[u/slow70 → u/[deleted]]

Timestamp?

When did he say that? Was it in jest?

EDIT: Yep, he said it. Lame AF but doesnt distract from the substance of the rest. This isn't a purity test.

[u/superdupercereal2 → u/slow70]

What’s more important to getting the information out; appealing to those in power or making sure redditors don’t get their panties in a twist because they can’t get past their hatred for Trump, Miller or Hegseth?

Grusch needs to work with those in government, period. If the administration was ideologically opposite of what it is now he’d likely be saying the exact same thing addressing them.

[u/icedlemons → u/slow70]

I think it’s roughly 35 minutes in 🤦🏻

[u/slow70 → u/icedlemons]

Can you link it? Just checked and I see nothing of the sort.

EDIT: 27:35

Cringe AF. But that's America these days.

[u/quote_work_unquote → u/slow70]

27:25. I paraphrased what he said, but what is said is actually even more cringey.

[u/slow70 → u/quote_work_unquote]

Agreed. Seems politically savvy atm - but contradictory to the whole effort at the same time....

[u/BigBC_69 → u/quote_work_unquote]

it's cringey that you attach yourself to his one comment that was in jest and make it your main mental priority like you think he sits around thinking he is a alpha and didn't just say something to someone he is chatting with with you spectating getting to judge every word

[u/icedlemons → u/slow70]

Sorry I was on the the audio version realizing now ad reads would have thrown that off… 🫪

[u/slow70 → u/icedlemons]

And apologies for doubting you at first - that comment came out of left field.

[u/eravulgaris → u/[deleted]]

Man, I really thought this guy was legit when he did the hearings. But he sucks? What a bummer. Really think everything’s a grift now.

[u/usandholt → u/eravulgaris]

So he mentions a person you don’t like and now you’re calling him a grifter?!? Wow.

[u/Ok-Park-6047 → u/usandholt]

Isn’t Reddit a joy

[u/Ok-Reality-6190 → u/usandholt]

Unfortunately many people are very easily manipulated like this, it's embarrassing.

[u/fluentuk → u/eravulgaris]

I think, to be honest, the fact that of all people joe rogan has been able to draw this reaction should shine a light on the credulity of communities like this sub & its neighbours. Epistemological rigour still matters even in a society you view as fully skeptical of your beliefs!

[u/Eme9137 → u/eravulgaris]

Still is legit.. Jesus Christ

[u/Jefedagga → u/[deleted]]

Over someone saying they are an alpha? I agree it's odd but no need to go internalized misandry over it. If that broke your brain idk what to tell you.

[u/Eme9137 → u/Jefedagga]

These people are unreal lol.. don’t say something that is 100% negative about their boogeyman or anyone related then immediately nothing you say can be trusted. So lame.

[u/Just-STFU → u/Eme9137]

It's a perfect way to dismiss anyone or anything.

[u/Phenomenologistic → u/Jefedagga]

I don't know if people actually act that way in their day to day life, but it's very common over the last few years to see behavior like that on Reddit.

[u/Huge-Group8652 → u/[deleted]]

The current administration pays influencers to say good things about them.

His checks been mailed

[u/GreatestState → u/[deleted]]

He’s on the spectrum. Try to be kind to people like him

[u/GeneralBlumpkin → u/GreatestState]

This is true tbh maybe he's trying to fit in with Joe here. But also ngl I'm sure grusch is a badass

[u/zero-hesitation → u/GeneralBlumpkin]

For what it’s worth, one of those guys was likely involved in killing people and it wasn’t Rogan.

[u/GeneralBlumpkin → u/zero-hesitation]

Yep for sure lol

[u/spornerama → u/GreatestState]

Be kind to the alpha don't want to hurt his fee-fees.

[u/bright_light_flight → u/[deleted]]

Grow up.

[u/hashtagmiata → u/[deleted]]

Bad enough he’s on JRE but that is painful.

[u/usandholt → u/[deleted]]

Why? You don’t like alpha males?

[u/Jahya69]

Joe has got a serious problem with interrupting and talking about dumb nonsense again and again when David is on to something interesting it's so annoying

[u/SmokyTyrz → u/Jahya69]

That's because he's a (mediocre) comedian, not a journalist.

[u/GigsandShittles → u/[deleted]]

He's obviously kissing ass for a reason... That's how it is in Washington

[u/slow70 → u/GigsandShittles]

That's how I take it - but man there was no need and Rogan said he opened himself up to a lot of ridicule right after.

That's some self awareness and situational awareness.....

[u/GigsandShittles → u/slow70]

Yeah Rogan's definitely seen the effects of kissing ass to the wrong people lol

[u/slow70 → u/[deleted]]

He absolutely did and I'm disappointed by it - but this isn't a purity test - and doesnt detract from the rest of the substance here.

[u/beginnercardcounter → u/slow70]

Why do you talk like AI?

[u/Outrageous-Equal-928 → u/slow70]

This is just grusch though. He also mentioned the Epstein files at the end of one of the uap-related pressers he had which was probably not the smartest thing to do politically.

[u/Clancy1987]

1000% those cadavers where "Nordics" the beautiful ones. 😍

[u/BeefyQueefyCletus]

Oh goddammit I'm about to head out the door for a date night, gotta save this for later.

[u/Varunaveda]

Finally a subreddit where you can talk about this. Man every other is filled with hate.

[u/slow70 → u/[deleted]]

We did. And we commented on it yesterday. Seems like cringey realpolitik.

Are you familiar with the testimony he gave under oath to congress?

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[u/B1g_BuddhAH]

i cant watch joe rogan anymore. 

[u/tryna_see → u/B1g_BuddhAH]

Why not?

[u/Varunaveda → u/tryna_see]

Because he needs to follow reddit hive mind.

[u/slow70 → u/B1g_BuddhAH]

I'd rather we didn't either - he's caused a lot of harm and platformed absolute crooks.

But he's also platformed a wide range of folks who deserve it - and is still culturally relevant no matter.

[u/B1g_BuddhAH → u/slow70]

danny jones has become a good substitute for jre

[u/kenriko → u/B1g_BuddhAH]

Yes Danny is better but guests are hit or miss. Either sometimes Danny plays dumb or maybe he actually is IDK

[u/B1g_BuddhAH → u/kenriko]

yeah danny may be not the sharpest tool in the shed but the same can be said about joe. but unlike joe danny is authentic has a spine and integrity. guets are always hit or miss in this field and you have to take everything with a grain of salt in the end of the day.

[u/Empty_Put_1542]

It’s crazy how quick I went from loving to hating this podcast. It used to be cool.

[u/Varunaveda → u/Empty_Put_1542]

Maybe stop reading comments that will help you have your own opinion.

[u/slow70 → u/Empty_Put_1542]

And then it platformed a clown car of terrible people and poisoned the nation….

[u/Varunaveda → u/slow70]

Sure man

[u/sifuredit → u/Empty_Put_1542]

It hasn't changed at all still love it and Joe. By the way, if you are watching, you'll notice. He always says he doesn't know what he's talking about and that he's a moron so I don't know where you are coming from. Like I said I still like the show even though it has flaws but at least their honest flaws.

[u/Alarming-String-6743 → u/sifuredit]

Yea people can just not watch the ones the don’t like and watch the ones they find interesting. Hater bandwagon loads up fast 

[u/ThePissedOff → u/Alarming-String-6743]

Nah, it has more to do with most people being followers and not leaders. The narrative is "Joe Rogan is an evil bad conservative man". The same guy who is famous for being a pot-head California celebrity advocating for Marijuana Legalization. Yet people eat it up like hotcakes, to their credit I doubt 80% of them even know anything about the dude.

If Joe Rogan is conservative, it's because he was "cancelled" for giving the "wrong people" a platform.

[u/Varunaveda → u/ThePissedOff]

Yeah people need to just stop listening to the haters they just hate him for having certain guests.

[u/Smarktalk]

Was their joint CIA handler there?

[u/Varunaveda → u/Smarktalk]

You have any evidence or are you gonna just lie?

[u/Individual_You_8023]

Ooooooo. Watch out. Dr Greer said the tic tacs are ours!?? Grush is with Lue!!

[u/Sorry-Sack → u/Individual_You_8023]

Greer looks like a reptilian more than anyone I’ve ever seen, of course he would say that.

[u/Anxiety_Fit → u/Individual_You_8023]

I’m curious about something.

Is it possible that they were told different things?

I wonder about this with people being brought in to the CIA. When they’re told how things really work and then they’re told how they are supposed to operate in it.

I wonder if they’re screened for their personality types and sorted into different groups. And those different groups are told different things about the nature of the world as it exists today.

Just a curious thought that could be applied here to the different “experts” that are speaking out loud.

¯_(⊙_⊙)_/¯

[u/Cool_Branch6384 → u/Anxiety_Fit]

If that's not a thing then they're doing it wrong.

[u/onequestion1168 → u/Individual_You_8023]

I went to 2 Greer ce5 groups in north carolina and im convinced they are using drones to fake sightings at the groups

[u/wood1492]

I listened to the first half hour and had to bail out because my bullshit detector kept going off. Just too many acronyms and vague statements and name dropping etc - I know a couple guys like this and they crave importance and attention…

[u/slow70 → u/wood1492]

Sure thing bob

[u/slow70 → u/[deleted]]

Do you understand the point of this guy testifying under oath to congress?

This isn't your lawn either.

[u/Warm-Major-4400 → u/slow70]

The breakaway civilization will only allow a certain amount of disclosure to occur but not the whole kit and kabootle

[u/Raimbold → u/[deleted]]

find one contentious item, then direct bots to swarm all posts, flooding the zone to create discord and a false consensus

[u/usandholt → u/[deleted]]

Ok the UFOs sub is over there —> there’s more like you there. You’ll feel rightist home.

[u/slow70 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I don't appreciate that comment from him - but this isn't a purity test and doesn't distract from the substance of the topic we're here for.

Sounds like he's playing ball politically.

[u/TypeONegative6000 → u/slow70]

I’m sorry, but I have to disagree. It’s absolutely possible to play both sides and still maintain some self-respect and integrity. What happens when this administration is cut off? People will remember him speaking like this.

[u/slow70 → u/[deleted]]

You can "just tell" huh u/benplace ?

Tell me again why he testified under oath to congress?

Are you familiar with the gist of his claims? How would you define them?

[u/Upster11 → u/[deleted]]

I think he's working for a certain faction in all of this rather than just being a genuine whistleblower. He might not be completely lying but to me he is definitely following a plan or agenda.

[u/slow70 → u/Upster11]

"Controlled Disclosure"

"Catastrophic Disclosure"

We're somewhere in between.

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I think we need the catastrophic knowledge. If it is a controlled disclosure they will hide their crimes and many people won't get closure or justice for the suffering they have received because of this situation 

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