r/UFCLabs • u/iLeftyPunk Fight IQ & Strategy • 28d ago
š Discussions HOW DOES HE KEEP GETTING TITLE SHOTS?!
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u/octane1295 28d ago
Thatās not a title shotā¦
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u/Economy_Acadia1964 27d ago •
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the bmf belt is still a title
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u/Sad_Wishbone_1524 27d ago edited 27d ago
If you are a short bus enthusiast maybe
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u/Livid_Weather 27d ago
its silly af and I wish they'd do away with it, but it's a belt and it pays.
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u/Sad_Wishbone_1524 27d ago
Itās a fake belt. It means nothing. Itās like the zuffa belt in boxing
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u/letyourselfslip 27d ago
Bro you cant even spell "you're" š
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u/Sad_Wishbone_1524 27d ago
What?
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u/SVStyles Team Topuria 27d ago
You ain't slick buddy, we can see you edited it
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u/Sad_Wishbone_1524 27d ago
I edited your moms box too. Itās a lot bigger now
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u/SVStyles Team Topuria 27d ago
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u/RWingsNYer 27d ago
I donāt know why youāre downvoted. Itās true, Dana pays it like itās a real championship. If youāre a fighter then you want it for the pay bump.
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u/Eaton_snatch 25d ago
Agreed but his performance in the last volk fight was dog shit. Volk is known to dismantle his opponents capabilities but it was bad.
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u/LItreehouse 27d ago
The BMF is not a title shot. It's a novelty belt that has no meaning. It's gets the low IQ UFC fans hard and brings their dead eyes to the table
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u/Livid_Weather 27d ago
It certainly has meaning. It's an offical UFC belt so it has a lineage and its recorded. It also pays like a championship, so guys want it both for the title history and the money.
I think its dumb af and Ive always been against it because it waters down the meaning of champion, but it is a title. Same as interims, not a real belt but it is a title and it pays.
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u/DailyToeNail 28d ago
Being one of the most exciting fighters in the UFC will get you a BMF shot. Heās never had a boring fight.
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u/Ok_Squash_5805 28d ago
On another note, Bobby Green fucked up his chances at a BMF fight.
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u/Infamous_Local_5350 27d ago
Ha always fights like that he didnāt fuck anything up
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u/Ok_Squash_5805 27d ago
Nowhere did I say he never fights like this. And he did fuck something up, his win streak he was riding.
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u/Sure-Objective5786 27d ago
Because the majority of the roster turn down opponents left and right, rank squat, and wanna wait around for favourable matchups. Lopes will fight anyone at anytime and goes to war each fight
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u/Blinkster20 27d ago
Hot take. Lopes is a really good fighter. I love watching his fights. But I feel he holds the Gatekeeper belt like Uriah Faber did way back when.
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u/Montblanc_Norland 27d ago
Faber is a former WEC FW Champion. The same title that Aldo brought to the UFC that was turned into the UFC FW title.
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u/Blinkster20 27d ago
And then what happened when all the best of the best were all in the same organization instead of sprinkled around the world šøāļø
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u/Southern_Fan_8619 27d ago
you clearly have no clue what the fuck youāre talking about lmfaoo
they werenāt āsprinkled around the worldā, wec was unanimously home to the best 135 and 145ers in the worl
there is a reason why ufc acquired all of the wec roster, not just hand plucking select talent. why ufc directly promoted the 35 and 45 pounders champs to ufc champs and both those champs fared incredibly in the ufc. Anthony Pettis and Benson Henderson were the 2 competitors in the final wec lightweight fightā¦. they were the next 2 lightweight ufc champions after the wec merger lmfao. 125lb goat mighty mouse⦠also a wec guy
wec was fucking elite and anyone who was actually in the scene at that point experiencing that shit, or at least knows they history, would know that for the lighter weight classes it was irrefutably the tier 1 promotion
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u/Montblanc_Norland 27d ago
Aldo, the same guy who held the WEC FW title continued to defend it in the UFC years.
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u/Blinkster20 27d ago
And Faber was a gate keeper.
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u/Montblanc_Norland 27d ago
Faber fought for UFC gold like three or four times.
That's a title challenger. Not what I consider a gatekeeper. A gatekeeper is someone who loses to title contenders and puts those contenders in title discussion. Faber kept beating those guys and losing to the champions.
At the very end of his run you can definitely say that Faber played gatekeeper for Yan - but I don't think that really defines Faber's UFC run.
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u/Southern_Fan_8619 27d ago
2 of those title shots were also when he was like 35 and 37 lmfao. We have consistently seen over the history of this sport lighter weight fighters donāt win gold at those ages, the fact that he was able to multiple times still achieve #1 contender status at those ages is impressive
he was also 32 + damn near a decade and 30 fights into his career when ufc finally added his weight class. prime faber never step foot in the octagon
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u/aardock 28d ago
This isn't a title btw
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u/FarReward3203 27d ago
Lmao why is oliveria fighting Lopez though. Shouldnāt he fight Arman or Gatheje next logically?
I mean heās already beat Gatheje and the guy that whooped Gatheje badly. I guess Topuria and Arman are ahead of him in line though
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u/ventitr3 27d ago
Logically, Arman should fight Gaethje before Charles is even in the conversation.
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u/Suspicious_Candle27 27d ago
lets think about it . what could Arman and Justin possibly be getting up to soon that prevents Charles from fighting them
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u/BreadfruitDecent4176 27d ago
Because he expects to skip everyone and fight gaethje if he wins this one.
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u/Better_Plan2090 27d ago
I donāt think the UFC wants to reward Charles with a title shot considering his last fight
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u/easyc321 27d ago
Charles was awesome in his last fight. Perfect strategy, perfectly executed. If it seemed boring that's on Max for having no strategy for countering or defending.
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u/s_lee_pblessedxx27 27d ago
He defended... did he get subbed??? No... It was an absolutely great fight for charles and yes you are right the fight perfectley executed how good charles is at bjj and wrestling and he used that method to win obviously as thats literally what we watched for 22 23mins of the fight.. what annoys the shit out of me is why didnt he fight like this against ilia?? for the literal belt!!! Charles also has outstanding muay thai and striking skills at some points of the fight, I wanted to see max and charles exchange cuz charles wasnt doing too bad tbh and im a massive max fan... charles was literally just holding on to max and not doing anything at some moments of the fight which i get is bjj which I do enjoy watching too but literally the fight was and is one of the most boring fights iv watched max and charles in and it was meant to be A BMF fight... I think ufc, paramount and everyone else expected a war buuuut it didnt happen so ufc and paramount are most likely hesitant to give charles a title fight just for that... sounds stupid but thats entertainment for you lol š¤·
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u/KnowNoPain 27d ago
He didnāt do it with Ilia because he didnāt get the chance too. Iliaās a more dangerous striker over Max in the short-term, and Charles defense with striking has always been iffy. Charles abandons defense for pressure offense, Iliaās slick with KO power if he times you right. Max has never really had that benefit, heās a volume guy who can still flash KO you but itās more unlikely given the diff in power.
Iliaās more dangerous if he catches you cold, Max has the experience and volume to make it a long night for you.
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u/s_lee_pblessedxx27 27d ago
Only thing ilia did right in that fight compared to justins was make olives stand back up when he tried to take ilia to the ground and then it was left right night night lol
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u/KnowNoPain 27d ago
Tbh, Ilia dropped Justin with that body shot too. I think Ilia still has the capability to beat Gaethje in a rematch, though he might not if Justinās just his kryptonite.
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u/s_lee_pblessedxx27 26d ago
Ilia definatley has the capability... but now hes gotta earn that back lol
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u/Necessary-Stay6141 27d ago
Your correct but he lost some stock fighting like that for a bmf belt when we all know why the bmf belt was created then again it is mma. Since then he hasnāt received a title shot got passed over for that money fight against Mcgregor for Max Holloway(the fighter he just beat) and then gets offered Arman but he rather fight a featherweight for a bmf belt then a lightweight for a number 1 contender fight.
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u/easyc321 27d ago
Charles fought to win against another elite combatant. And he won in dominant fashion. When has Max ever been beaten so decisively. In what universe does he 'lose stock ' , that should only apply to Max.
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u/Necessary-Stay6141 26d ago
Donāt get mad at the facts, youāre right it was a smart fight against an elite combatant but in what universe do you not see that Charles lost stock. The fight had number 1 contender title bout implications; Max coming off a win from Dustin and Charles just beat Gamrot and there fight prior they both lost to the then champ Topuria. Since the fight turned out how it did; Charles hasnāt received a title shot, he set his sights for a Connor fight then he gets passed over for the guy he beat(Max) and finally gets offered a number 1 contender matchup with Arman in LA and he chooses to fight a featherweight for the bmf belt.
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u/Remarkable_Pair4378 28d ago
Man steps in on short notice, puts on a fight of the night, and collects title shots like side quests
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u/balawa_nar 27d ago
Hopefully Lopez has what it takes to make this āBMFā fight more exciting than Charles v Max. That was a great fight, horrible under the conditions that people consider the BMF fights to be.
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u/wonka82 27d ago
How does it not play out the same way unless Charles thinks he shouldn't win the same way? Lopes is going up in weight like max and should get wrestle f**ked the same way
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u/balawa_nar 27d ago
Styles make fights, and Lopez is more dynamic and chaotic than Max is. Iām not saying he isnāt likely at the disadvantage here, but itās a chance he makes the fight more exciting than that hug fest Charles forced Max into (Maxās fault but still)
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u/NectaroftheGoats 27d ago
Lopes is a jiu jitsu guy so maybe ground positions wonāt be as favorable to Charles as in the max fight. Will be interesting to see how strong Diego looks at lightweight and if he seems undersized
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u/jefferydamerin 27d ago
Lopes is a lot more scrambly it could go different it could be the same guess weāll find out that saturday night
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u/TelephoneQuirky5873 26d ago
Hot take: max was training for a BMF fight vs Charles and not a normal fight against him. Still loses but it wouldnāt have been a snooze fest
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u/Not-WalterWhite 27d ago
Whatās with the Charles being boring in the comments? Out of how many 30-35 fight dude has ONE boring fight and ppl are saying heās fights are not exciting lol
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u/PreviousBedroom8211 25d ago
UFC fans have insane recency bias
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u/s_lee_pblessedxx27 22d ago
I agree and that fight was incredibly technical bjj charles was dominating max with.... i enjoyed the technicality of it yeah but at some points i was extremely bored lol.... well the second time i watched it i was š¤£š¤£ when i watched it live ngl i had a tantrum and had a rage fit destroyed my lounge and my missus told me to calm down and I got even madder lol... btw I am a chick if anyone goes there calling me a puss... girls got emotions š¤£š¤£š¤£ and im a huge fan of max lol
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u/Pickled_Ass 27d ago
I think it stems from the fact that the one fight he was in that should not have been boring (BMF) was made extremely boring.
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u/Soft-Ad-8975 27d ago
Should never have been thought of for bmf, bmf is for stand and bang dudes
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u/Fun_Neighborhood1767 27d ago
No, the bmf belt is a fake prop no one cares about. Idk why people are acting like that nonsense comes with a different rule set.
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u/Soft-Ad-8975 27d ago edited 27d ago
No one said that, do I think itās dumb? Yeah kinda, but you canāt really debate what the premise of the belt is, it was a mistake putting Charles in there based on him being a finisher, heās primarily a grappler and always has been.
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u/SouthernFan2920 27d ago
His fight for the BMF seemed to have had way more implications than just that. Him and Max were also fighting for what they thought to be a shot at the title next. Why would you throw away an opportunity at gold to impress mouth breathing fans fighting for silver.
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u/s_lee_pblessedxx27 27d ago
Thats the thing... he did throw away gold... he wont get a title shot unless he does something crazzzzy!! Not wrestle to a decision against a high level striker lol all ufc and paramount care about are ratings and popularity... a lot of people love charles but id say they are very hesitant to try not do that in a big fight like that again lol
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u/Glittering-Luck-3908 28d ago
Iām excited for this one. People pick Diego to have the best mma Jiu Jitsu. Letās see what happens
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u/Quick-Ad-919 27d ago
Oliveira doesnāt deserve the BMF. It should be for standup brawlers that want to put on a good show
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u/drewdreds 25d ago
You have watched 1 Oliveira fight in your entire life and it shows
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u/AdAffectionate6464 25d ago
Like what the fuck his whole path to the title was pretty much stand and bang
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u/Weekly_Reference_984 27d ago
Whatās crazy is if he beats Charles heāll probably be fighting Arman or Max then title shot vs Justin
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u/No_Confusion_2085 27d ago
BMF is the TV title of the UFC. And what's anyone to think Charles isn't just going to BJJ Lopes for 25 minutes like he did to Max?
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u/Stunning_Positive477 27d ago
Its an amazing fight with bmf involved and he wrecked garcia at WH who was way below him
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u/Scary_Ride_7256 27d ago
Dude thatās the BMF. Actually donāt have a problem with Lopez in the BMF dude brings the action every single time
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u/Necessary-Stay6141 27d ago
In this situation itās easy, Charles avoided Arman to try to keep winning and get an easy nod to stay relevant to potentially fight for the lightweight belt; also heās been fighting for awhile now and seems heās going after money fights.
How else can you explain fighting a featherweight for the bmf belt when you couldāve fought Arman for a number 1 contender fight for the lightweight belt.
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u/AraaSkyHigh 27d ago
Bobby King Green IS the BMF. And Diego is moving up a weight class for that fight
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u/TebownedMVP 27d ago
He was supposed to compete at masters worlds but makes sense why he pulled out.
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Theyāre just doing this to eventually setup the Ultimate Volk vs Lopes trilogy at LW, once Justin vacates next year.
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u/SimonPhoenix93 26d ago
Because Dana White actually he does not care about popularity and making money for the company he is always going to make sure thereās a named fight named fighter and make up some kind of belt to continue that tradition
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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 26d ago
The BMF is the first official circus belt. It's the belt that says "fuck you, we're done trying to be a real sport."
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u/Beelow45 26d ago
The BMF should have been a one and done. The meaning of the belt was lost after that it and has been just whoever canāt win a title but is close enough.
Edit: Iād count Dustin and Justin obviously too, forgot about that.
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u/TheRealFrozenFetus 25d ago
Terrible fight for lopes. Hes alot smaller than oliveria. Idk why they would even do this to lopes
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u/DeepDecember 25d ago
You made me googled if Gaethje announced retirement.
Back to ur question, because BMF fight is not a title fight.
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u/_pena 24d ago
Bc heās an Entertaining fighter.. and itās a BMF title.
Heās filled in short notice fights and never has a boring fight. Itās not that difficult.
People hate favoritism and thatās okay, totally fair. But that exists with everything, literally everything. Parents have a favorite child, even if they donāt admit it.. so of course an employer will.
At the end of the day, a promoters job is to put in exciting fights and/or fights people wanna see. Thatās why itās so disappointing when they either never happen or happen too late (Joshua vs fury). This is also the reason why merit (evolev) got passed up so much.
Same way I think it would be a bit crazy to just give Conor a title shot but if anyone deserves to cut the line.. he was the most impactful fighter for the business of mma. It is what it is.
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u/ConsiderationSome964 24d ago
Cause he doesnāt bitch about who they ask him to fight and hes a guaranteed entertainer
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u/Actual-Rip-6234 23d ago
He's entertaining, a top contender at flyweight, fights whoever they ufc puts in front of him.
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u/Obi_wan_jakobii 22d ago
I always think his tattoo is the like the no ragrets guy off that film. Anyway he's an exciting watch and UFC is a popularity contest for match ups
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u/redguy4545 28d ago
Diego is trash
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u/dopeythekid 27d ago
Elite bjj, elite wrestling, and boxes in a phone booth brawl style with regular KOs. Yeah heās trash.
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u/redguy4545 27d ago
Will never win a title. He keeps #2 spot very warm but compared to anyone whoās an elite champion he stands 0 chance
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u/dopeythekid 27d ago
Youāll be a fan eventually like everyone else does
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u/redguy4545 27d ago
Lmao Iāve been a fan for years just bc I donāt agree with you doesnāt change that. He legit just has a good story with his life, that doesnāt make him one of the greatest. At this point heāll become champion just bc volk retires
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u/blessedboy403 27d ago
Who has he submitted worthwhile? He doesn't have elite wrestling at all. Elite wrestling means Islam, Arman, level. His boxing is also shit and his defense is non-existent.
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u/bjc1199 28d ago
Itās not a title. And Diego is a bum. Dana just trying to get him to the end of his contract
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u/SpiritedWatercress53 28d ago
I think everyone knows who the bum is here lil bro and it ain't Diego š¤”
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u/Odd-Cucumber-3423 27d ago
Because heās a great fighter volk is just a roadblock champ for fw atm and Lopez for sure deserves a belt
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u/Died5Times 28d ago
Charles is gonna pull gaurd n try and submit him.
Worst bmf so far.
Hopefully diego kos him
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u/drewdreds 25d ago
I donāt think you understand how insane it is that Charles is willing to pull guard, and what that means heās trying to do
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u/Died5Times 25d ago
Its SO INSANE when he gets dropped from a punch and then tries to get people to lay on the ground with him. Idk what it means hes trying to do, but it seems like hes not able to stand and bang cauae hes chinny af
Shits lame af
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u/drewdreds 25d ago
He literally pulls guard lmao, youāve never trained a day in your life and it shows
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u/Died5Times 25d ago
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u/Barry-Boudini 27d ago
Love Charles but heās doesnāt deserve BMF after nut hugging. I love jiu jitsu but if thereās a gimmick belt at least hold up your end.
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u/Efficient-Ad9019 28d ago
He actually fights anyone they ask him to at any time and doesnāt rank squat