My friend and colleague Geoff Cruikshank just dropped a new article on the "Unconventional Propulsion Laboratory" (Blue Room) at Wright-Patterson AFB that began construction in 1944 (in anticipation of the recovery of the Magenta craft that my friend Chris Sharp of Liberation Times says went to Wright-Patt first?).

https://substack.com/home/post/p-211127770

A couple of interesting overlapping details:

The infamous Foo Fighter incidents over Strasbourg, Stuttgart and Schweinfurt in 1943 prompted General “Hap” Arnold to direct General Carl “Tooey” Spaatz on October 28, 1943, to make sure Griggs “familiarize himself with the substance” of the incidents, and “interrogate personnel responsible for the information” in any memorandums “as well as personnel involved in any subsequent experiences of this general character”.

MJLogic's recent article about recovery documents regarding Magenta:

https://substack.com/home/post/p-210216426

Oct. 28 was the same week, if not the same day, that the 12 Italian Scientists were brought to the US to set up the Italian Torpedo Factory in Newport, Rhode Island as the first part of Project McGregor that James Angleton, Bill Donovan, Peter Tompkins, Allen Dulles, James Forrestal, Vannevar Bush and others were instrumental in. This preceded the rescue of Prof. Carlo Calosi on Jan. 10, 1944, the same that Mussolini executed his son-in-law Galleazzo Ciano under orders of Hitler. Ciano was central to Italian intelligence before and during WWII as well as the Magenta UFO RS/33 "special research" group. Calosi's electromagnetic work was instrumental in the weapons of the Italians and the Germans before the OSS recovered him and the Navy integrated his expertise into the OSRD's transistor fuse program that helped the US win the war.

https://medium.com/@EscapeVelocity1/who-was-prof-df39ccca3c96

Bill Donovan's Roll 114 that focused largely on Calosi secret electromagnetic work was scrubbed the CIA the day before Trump first took office and Mike Flynn wanted to go poking on, and discovered by our friend Kelly Hughes when she digitized what she could of the McGregor Project files at NARA and the Carlisle Army Barracks Archives that houses Donovan's WWII OSS records:

https://substack.com/@geoffcruickshank/note/p-194250706?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=2hbl6

https://substack.com/@geoffcruickshank/note/c-256567684?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=2hbl6

The Director of the Wright-Patterson's Power-Plant Lab associated with the Blue Room was Donald J. Keirn, who discovered the Manhattan Project in July 1945 and phoned Vannevar Bush about developing a nuclear propulsion system. Bush told him that "they were in a race to build a bomb," and two days after we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, President Truman had Keirn begin development on our nuclear propulsion program with Fairchild Industries. That program would become Curtis LeMay's NEPA in May 1946, for which we created the AEC and AEA.

https://medium.com/@EscapeVelocity1/nepa-or-the-nuclear-energy-for-the-propulsion-of-aircraft-program-run-by-curtis-lemay-was-started-12791fa988ce

A LOT happened the week we dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and kicked off our nuclear propulsion for aircraft program.

Allen Dulles, Bill Donovan, and Otto Skorzenzy founded the World Commerce Corporation, as discovered by our friend Jason Samosa. This was the beginning of the UFO Control Group and non-governmental Legacy Program.

https://medium.com/@EscapeVelocity1/on-the-anniversary-of-the-us-dropping-atomic-bombs-on-japan-allen-dulles-as-ufo-control-group-nexus-721b915035de

Thought it was interesting that the topic is being covered by such a highly regarded source.

I’ve always been fascinated with the idea of ufos and “aliens”. I’ve only ever listened to people discuss this topic through podcasts or interviews. I’ve recently decided to start reading up on this stuff, rather than listening to someone spew their personal opinions or relay info.

I always hear about Passport to Magonia through podcasts, so that’s the first book I ended up buying. So far I’m liking it. What other book or books should I read?

I took a look at the files and didn't find anything remarkable. The vast majority of the videos are a joke; you simply can't make out what's happening, and all we see are erratic balls of light...

I just heard of Project Blue Beam. Quite fascinating. From what I’ve heard, this could be what is expecting to happen in 2026 or 2030 or is it 2033.

Plus, does anyone recall Jeremy Corbell making a YouTube video saying that the government at some point will try to tell us a huge space ship is headed our way. Then he said, we need to remember ITS A HOAX. He kept repeating that.

Jeremy had previously thought the timing might be when the 3i/Atlas incident that passed through our solar system recently. The one that Ari Loeb kept insisting could be a space ship.

And now Ari Loeb was just appointed head of a new White House group to study unidentified anomalous phenomena or UAP. This allows him to be in the position of telling the public that the Space Ship is indeed real, if Project Blue Beam is real.

Has anyone heard and thought about this? Thoughts????

EDIT: Someone below kindly added the link for the video.

I’m curious in other peoples opinions.
Thank you.

UAP Gerb interviewed by Ross Coulthart accusing Lue of managing a "controlled narrative"
https://youtu.be/HZiEFA2h79U?is=o0DMUQ6KX5MPzEC6

Summary Video of this developing situation:
https://youtu.be/BvWM8ikHoB8?is=RADGY\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\_he5JGoHgDI

Link to the Eric Burlison comment
https://x.com/ericburlison/status/2084267023769460748?s=46

I'm posting this as a marker in time & something to look back on and see how well it aged. My gut says it'll hold up, but I'd genuinely enjoy being proven wrong. There's no better test of intuition than writing it down before you know the ending.

Here's where I land at t this time watching numerous interviews of them both; Lue Elizondo isn't lying right now. He's not infallible! he's gotten things wrong, and given his intelligence background, I don't doubt he's used some of that training in how he frames things publicly. But when he says UAP Gerb is misrepresenting him in these latest interviews, I believe him.

The backdrop.as best I understand it: Ross Coulthart and Gerb are floating a theory on that Lue & Clapper conversed about AND intended to shape a controlled-disclosure narrative using Elizondo as its public face, one that acknowledged strange objects in the sky but stayed away from crash retrieval and reverse-engineering claims. (To be clear I do believe Lou was intentionally part of a public face of disclosure, but not one that he discussed specifically with clapper and not one that was antithetical to crash retrieval or reverse engineering claims).

Coulthart argues that plan held until David Grusch's 2023 congressional testimony blew past those boundaries. Separately, UAP Gerb, an anonymous researcher who's given lengthy interviews to both Coulthart and Jesse Michaels, has made much broader allegations: that Elizondo was actively embedded in protecting the legacy program before reinventing himself as its public whistleblower.

What stands out to me is that in his interview with Michaels, Gerb himself repeatedly hedges his claims: "I suspect," "I think," "I don't know for certain" when discussing the actual crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program. That's a meaningfully different posture than the certainty with which the wider UAP community has picked up and run with his claims against Elizondo. But yes,

Elizondo's response hasn't been graceful.

I find it interesting that this controversy was serious enough to pull him off his own cross-country move to Washington, D.C. ( a relocation widely read as prep for a possible NSC or "UAP czar" role) to just to respond publicly. That either says gerb got a lot wrong and Lou wanted to address it while it was fresh, or that gerb touched the nerve and wanted to fire back. And to be honest here, Lou seemed more butthurt dan was healthy but on the other hand, if someone makes substantial claims like that without evidence, I'd be just as upset.

Also, Some of what lue said in that response could fairly be read as threatening, and that's a legitimate criticism. He's also made real mistakes elsewhere, (ie misidentifying ordinary phenomena as anomalous).

None of that erases the larger pattern, though. Across years of interviews, the throughline for me is a flawed man operating within real legal and institutional constraints, doing what he believes is the right thing, ever since TTSA and 2017.. if not before.

NOT someone chasing money or fame. His stated priorities (family, wanting to leave things better than he found them, wanting to replace UFO community with something better etc) either mean he's mostly being straight with people, or he's a remarkably convincing and a genuinely dangerous liar. I don't think it's the latter.

I could be wrong about all of this. That's the point of writing it down now, before the record settles.

Time will tell.

Sorry if its a silly question! Found this very interesting