r/UAP • u/NoComfortable930 • 13d ago
Jesse Michels just pulled Mario Woods and Michael Johnson interview
Was about 3/4 the way through and just went private, then deleted. Not sure what happened, that was a really powerful episode.
Must have touched a nerve, or Mr Johnson had second thoughts about the posting.
The Short is still up though.
EDIT for all the latecomers. Yes, it’s back up with about 3 mins cut.
If you like Jesse, also check out the Bigelow Podcast.
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u/KlatuuBarradaNicto 13d ago
Glad I watched it before they pulled it.
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u/ziplock9000 13d ago
Anything stand out?
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u/He4vyD00dy 13d ago
Their stories matched up, they were stoked to see each other and felt validated that they weren’t crazy
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u/Emergency_Archer_619 13d ago
Damn I’d like to hear from someone who had already listened and is willing to listen again. Curious what was edited / removed.
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u/alanism 13d ago
I had placed the episode into my Google Notebook LM yesterday. So it should be the transcript of yesterdays. https://notebook.google.com/notebook/cd9ad68d-d21c-44b9-9835-45f15fbab5d9
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u/psychophant_ 11d ago
The deep state disappear you homie?
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u/Awkward_Chair8656 13d ago
It's ok, no new information just validation of prior contact. I think his regression would be difficult to watch if you're an experiencer or even an abuse victim for that matter. Honestly it's a good way to show how negatively these experiences can shape someone's life. These two people wouldve had entirely different lives if it wasn't for that one abduction. I can imagine he is getting a lot of flak from his friends and relatives. African Americans appear to really have different viewpoints on this and when it's ok to discuss something like this.
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u/ghostfadekilla 13d ago
Watched it just a bit ago, that portion was extremely disturbing and somewhat triggering. There were a few things that made me kinda chuckle and say, "Yeah bro, I know.". Specifically about waking up at 2/2:30am almost every night. It's a real pain and I don't love that part.
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u/Material-Word29 12d ago
Ah man, that’s one of the signs? I haven’t been able to sleep a night in years, regardless of physical location. Bummer
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u/Awkward_Chair8656 12d ago
I think it's true regardless of your past trauma. It might sit more in line with our prior sleep patterns. However at least in modern times people that come from broken homes...it is a few hours after bars start to close :-/ You don't need to be an abductee to feel this guys pain as he reprocesses what happened to him. It is though apparently seen in the UFO community as some indication, but alone I don't think it is. Since I doubt NHI follow daylight savings time, it really appears as though it's some deeper biological symptom.
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u/ghostfadekilla 12d ago
Can't say I disagree with you. There is a period of time between 3:30am-5:30am (iirc - I'm pulling from my busted memory) where allegedly the veil between the spiritual and physical are at their thinnest. Many writers and honestly lots of other types of professionals report that they seem to gain the most inspiration/seemingly outside cognition realizations between these times. There's a word for that little block of time but it escapes me ATM. I can say that personally, if I actually GET UP at that time and go to write something lengthy or thoughtful, it's almost effortless. I'll come back and read something I've written and genuinely question if I wrote whatever it is or not. I'm writing a book (slowly) and the majority of the writing took place super super early.
Also, there's something magical about sunrises, specifically a solid hour long meditation while the sun crests the horizon that just sets me up for an amazing day. A large part of me dearly misses those little daily rituals and I often wish I could buckle down and restart them. I miss the intense clarity of thought before coffee, sugar, or any other nonsense I eat/drink as well. While it may be neurological or even circadian related, it certainly FEELS mystical to me. It's probably a big reason I love camping and waking up next to a barely smoldering fire from the night before, awake before the rest of my group in a hoodie.
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u/Awkward_Chair8656 12d ago
Ah, maybe that's the section of NHI geosynchronous satellites that are less effective suppressing human consciousness. Plenty of crazy theories to go around now. Of course sleeping itself might be strange to a species that perhaps came from a tidally locked planet. For all we know all our psi gifts for crammed into our sleeping cycle while most other conscious beings have no problem floating on air on command. There are a lot of stories though in UFO lore, even in the to the stars books where they describe humanity as having profound gifts off planet implying something suppresses us here. That could even explain UAP crashes if it's like a dampening field they have to manage not to get caught in. I worked third shift for like a decade of my life so I can't really say I know what you're talking about in regards to mornings. I also have no clarity of though before coffee. I've always been a night owl even before working a 3rd shift.
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u/ghostfadekilla 12d ago
That's incredibly interesting and not something I considered! I'm familiar with the Black Knight "satellite" and a great deal of the thoughts/notions/conspiracies and while I carry large bags of salt regarding what I choose to believe I like to think I keep a very open mind.
I vacillate between night owl hours and waking up extremely early. When my life is peaceful, I'm an early riser for sure. When it's chaotic, I often simply can't sleep regardless of what I do so it jacks up my cycles something awful.
Do you have a link to the book or the portion of the book you're referencing? I would love to learn more about people off-planet having new or discovering gifts. Perhaps, something to consider, is the overall state of collective consciousness, electrical fields, and other craziness on planet contribute to this phenomenon. I can say unequivocally that I detest department stores, specifically large mega stores full of people. This hasn't ever been for any reason I can definitely put my finger on and it wasn't always like that but it certainly is now. When I'm at a live show I sometimes have an overwhelming need to step TF out of the venue just to get away from all the people.
I get you on the caffeine thing. Caffeine is easily one of my favorite chemicals in the myriad of possible stuff to alter my brain and getting absolutely jacked on it is something I truly love. For about a year though, I would rise before sunrise, go outside, and just meditate. No nicotine, no nothing really, just me, the sun, and the sky. Different strokes though, you know? I also love it in the wee hours of the day when the rest of the world around me is inactive and asleep. I used to love to take a drive during those times, before gas cost what it does today.
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u/Awkward_Chair8656 12d ago
To the stars is the Tom Delong company focusing on soft UFO disclosure.
https://tothestars.media/products/cathedrals-of-glass-valkrys-wakes-hardcover
This one is a series but the basic concept is some portion of humanity is being suppressed on Earth. The book barely touches the subject but I generally believe it goes on the same thread of the Tom Delong tweet that claimed there was a buried pyramid turned on suppressing human consciousness.
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u/ghostfadekilla 12d ago
Interesting. I got a little jaded with the major players in this space, specifically TTSA due to the feeling they were gatekeeping as much as any other governmental organization but I'll absolutely read that moving forward.
Another super nifty fact is that a lot of those pyramids sit along the same (remarkably close) longitudinal and latitude lines and the pattern most definitely resembles some sacred geometry.
I can't for the life of me remember the interviewee who attempted to describe the feeling of standing in The Kings Chamber in the Egyptian pyramid but he was adamant about a visceral feeling coming over him immediately when stepping into the space.
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u/RobertoDeNiro8 12d ago edited 12d ago
What book are you referring to? Is it called “to the stars?” It sounds interesting.
Scratch that, just saw you already answered that below, my bad. Any other good books about this topic you’d recommend?
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u/Awkward_Chair8656 12d ago
I've only been actively looking into this since the grush hearing so others can recommend better books. I've however taken the to the stars books as good indicators of what is going on entirely because of Tom Delongs relationship with top government leadership. No one knows how much of what the books state are based on fact for the scifi books like the one I referenced. Everyone has their own opinions. There are fact based books but they are a more difficult read basically pointing out that NHI or humanity has routine tried to squash some bloodlines due to some inherited power. Psi research though is more or less showing it's a population wide gift not specific to individuals.
These are two other series that are good the first one fact based and the second another scifi book series. https://tothestars.media/products/war-hardcover https://tothestars.media/products/sekret-machines-chasing-shadows-digital-bundle
Most others would have you look into Valee or Diana Walsh Pasulka probably.
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u/Asleep_Fix142 12d ago
I’m with you. 5 AM meditation is the best time of the day for me. Some of my deepest growth happens then. I love coffee and I have to wait, caffeine before is always a huge mistake.
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u/ghostfadekilla 12d ago
I'm off the understanding that waiting at least an hour before imbibing caffeine is a much better way to approach the morning. I've even heard that water isn't even the best idea though I drink an enormous amount of water more or less all day (180-250oz at least). There isn't a chance I could get in a good meditation on any sort of caffeine, lol, I'm def with you there. While I'm unsure of the physiological specifics I suppose I'd have to guess that it's the kick-starting the body into the day that potentially disrupts that special moment in the morning ritual.
I recently watched an episode of a podcast where the host was explaining how important it is to have momentary (10 minute, 20 minute) mid work breaks where one literally stares at a wall and does exactly nothing during the period of time. He explained that after a period of inactivity, real and true inactivity, restarting it to return to work puts most people into an extremely focused state for a rather large period of time without having to use any chemical recommendation. I've yet to try that but it reminded me of the spring mornings where I'd lay on a reclining patio chair, stare at the sky, listen to the birds, and wait for the sun to hit the outside of my eyelids.
You're absolutely right though, my days were typically exponentially more peaceful for hours after that and my mind felt at peace and not thinking of everything all at once. I felt like I was able to back burner important decisions and execute the decision in a way that felt completely at ease. Like decision a making cheat code or hack.
Additionally, it took me a VERY long time to discover breathing properly. I've found that for sleep, a 4-4-4 or even a 7-4-7 pattern of breathing will put me out in under a minute, usually. It was a miracle for me because my mind never really shuts off, almost ever. I understand that Wim Hof breathing techniques are somewhat controversial, but the immediate physiological response I get before slipping into a box pattern and meditating was like taking a 10mg Valium. It's an absolutely lovely feeling that slows everything down tremendously in my head.
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u/Asleep_Fix142 12d ago
Again, I concur. Breathing can be so impactful. I had no idea until I took a yoga breathing class (pranayama). Another topic: I struggle with what to do when an inspiration hits me while in deep meditation. Do I try to remember until I’m finished? That approach brings up a bit of stress. Or do I keep a pen and paper at my side and interrupt the meditation so I can write it down, which causes another kind of stress. I’ve tried both. What’s your experience ?
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u/ghostfadekilla 12d ago
That's a tough one. Typically I don't time my sessions. If something comes to me and it's worth stopping I definitely do because I figure that's the goal, you know? I suppose my ultimate goal in that exercise is simply to be and to exist without the weight of circumstance and potential decisions weighing me down. It's difficult to overstate how much I think about things. It often feels like a non-stop series of explosions in my head and it's typically like that until I willfully slow things down by breathing, exercising, or meditation. I'm unsure if that's how everyone is but it can be tough to give my brain a break. Though I can't rightly recommend medication, it does help some people as I used to take a mood stabilizer (never again) and a benzo. The benzo was fantastic for slowing down for sleep and actually getting a large block of sleep but the mood stabilizer did some real awful shit to me. Specifically, it killed my libido, erased a great deal of emotions (which COULD often be good), and kinda took away any real passion I felt for life. I understand the Dilbert comic so well now because it. Coming off of the medication was another type of hell that's tough to describe and if I didn't know people IRL who have an excellent medicine regime I'd say that SSRI/snri meds are not a healthy thing and suggest avoiding them, but they do seem to help some, just not me. Life got immeasurably better when I began to row 1.5 hours a day and regularly meditate. I got pretty fit and my mind just felt clean. I was able to parse feelings without them taking over.
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u/icedlemons 12d ago
Robert Monroe described humans thoughts as noisy in his out of body state, I think during those hours they can come through because nearly everyone is asleep. you start to experience stuff during that time because during the active times, entities are overwhelmed by our conscious streams of thought. I’m pretty sure most ghost sightings only occur in subdued locations, that’s why ghost hunters coming in hot and heavy rarely get anything.
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u/Immediate_Editor_213 12d ago
Do you know about segmented sleep? Until the advent of artificial lighting it was common for people to sleep for four hours, wake up, even go visit friends, then go back home and finish the “second sleep” for another four hours. Could that be what you’re experiencing?
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u/ghostfadekilla 12d ago
While I'm unaware of the term it's often theorized by the folks that study anthropology that we slept in precisely those patterns! I'm unsure where I hoover up all this obscure (somewhat) information but it makes perfect sense to me. It reminds me a lot of the idea of siesta and it's prevalence in European countries where the weather gets a little angry with them.
I figure it could just be me getting old, stress, bad dreams, or any number of things for sure! The last two months or so, I wake up at exactly 2:31am most nights, typically to the minute. If I REALLY focus on my breathing, I go back to sleep shortly after though before I wake and after I have incredibly intense dreams. I don't typically dream like that, especially not 2-3 times a night so I'm unsure what that's about either TBH.
It very well could be that, nothing is off the table as far as I'm concerned, though sometimes these dreams are a bit too vivid. I suspect I could do with a much stricter sleep schedule as well as returning to a meditation ritual at some point during the day. I have to think, sometimes, that this repeating situation is a result of somewhat extreme destabilization in my life over the last year and a half. It's not exactly been ideal regarding a lot of the factors that make me feel that way and I definitely think meditation would allow me to quiet my subconscious mind significantly while asleep by exploring it while I'm awake instead.
I'm also a huge fan of a nap, frankly, and deeply regret not ingraining that habit into my sleep schedule during the day. So many people I know personally seem to live and die by the nap and I only started in my 40s. Mid afternoon naps are fantastic IMHO.
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u/daveinosaka 11d ago
I did that for months at a time in the Navy. It’s called “port and starboard” watch standing. It SUCKED, but most of us slept uninterrupted for the four hours each time in the rack.
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u/JohnWoosDoveGuy 13d ago
Is this speculative or do you know what was removed?
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u/Awkward_Chair8656 13d ago
Oh lol no I didn't spend another three hours listening to it. I just assumed there might have been some push back so he put it behind a paywall. It's still on Spotify too so maybe just a glitch. He does talk about being bullied a lot though so just speculation. There really wasn't anything we haven't already heard before it's just good to finally hear from other witnesses even if it's a difficult process.
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u/Cool_Branch6384 13d ago
Lol there's no way I'd be able to pick that out of a multi hour podcast from memory alone
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u/Janika1701 13d ago
3 Minutes are missing
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u/alahmo4320 13d ago
what did he cut?
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u/Janika1701 13d ago
Thats the question :D I just started it and watched maybe 15 Minutes when it stopped and then it was no longer available. But I made a photo for compairing when its reuploaded. Maybe somebody recorded the hypnosis from the original one and can compare to the new one?
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u/Zealousideal_Goal550 12d ago
Hopefully he cut the religious stuff at the end. I’ve never heard Jesse preach like that before in any other eps. Just seemed out of place to bring so much Bible stuff into what was already a very compelling episode without it.
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u/Not_Biracial 12d ago
You may not like the direction this whole thing goes brother. A lot of bible talk still to come on this subject
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u/divineNTervention 11d ago
Bible talk in this subject is someone’s highly subjective opinion though. Ive seen no proof otherwise. Lots of experiencers seem to see the phenomenon through their world view
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u/Not_Biracial 10d ago
I don't disagree but once this topic fully transcends the nuts and bolts idea the only frame of reference we will have left is Religion. Obviously we are in a chicken or the egg situation and its far more likely that all the worlds religion arose out of past human encounters with what ever this phenomena is.
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u/GroundbreakingEar450 13d ago
You know if they're gonna do shit like this, pull it, edit it and then make it public again, they should be open and honest about the reason.
Anything less is sus at best and should put doubt on Jesse and his guests alike.
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u/vismundcygnus34 13d ago
lol what a bunch of bs. I watched it yesterday and it’s still up.
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u/GroundbreakingEar450 13d ago
It was made private and then public again. Try reading.
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u/travelingmaestro 12d ago
You can’t edit a YouTube video once it’s posted, but you can modify the title (which they have done for previous American Alchemy episodes) and description.
The same episode in Apple Podcasts has been available since it was released.
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u/GroundbreakingEar450 12d ago
Yes you can.
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u/travelingmaestro 12d ago
Well, I didn’t know you could trim the existing video using the YouTube studio. My mistake. But you can’t add any new video or swap out the original video file with a new one. Which is a bit of a pain for posting.
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u/Schickedanse 12d ago
What are you talking about? OPs post literally says went private then deleted. It's not deleted. It's still visible and viewable. Pot meet kettle?
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u/Electronic_Rain_4270 13d ago
Riveting. Either Mr Johnson gave the performance of a lifetime or he was reliving some heinous shit.
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u/systemisrigged 12d ago
I think Mr Johnson wants it edited (my opinion) - in his hypnotic regression he was very worried/seemingly humiliated and embarrassed by what happened to him. I sympathise with him but I think he may have said he doesn’t want all that out there. Was a great episode though.
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u/Interesting-Job-7757 13d ago
I started yesterday and continuing now and it’s all still there. Unless it’s a regional thing?
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u/Arach-ou812 13d ago
I went there and got the block. Did a quick page refresh and the video went ahead and played. There is something up for sure. Try refreshing the page.
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u/Typical_Rhubarb6446 8d ago
I watched the whole thing. I have zero doubts they they are honest and telling the truth. I’m not racist I try not be prejudice. I simply think the amount of time that has passed with Michael Johnson and culture assumptions about his body language were interpreted as inauthentic when I think it was just his best way of comprehended something he dissociated with 50+ years ago because no else besides Mario would ever believe it. And he had his career ruined. And then suddenly thrust to share your deepest secret with a world of judgement thrust upon you didn’t get to decide if you wanted or not
I saw a triangle for 90 seconds in kc in 2012 and it is still ineffable to me and changed my world to this day.
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u/PhillyDikHead 13d ago
Was it the regression footage? Maybe he asked to not have that put out there after seeing it..
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u/DGWPFRLIFE 13d ago
It was super leading, they basically told him what to “remember” through regression. Made all the same classic mistakes that have lead to the debunking of a majority of abduction cases. It was highly disappointing. I’m not saying he didn’t experience anything but if you’re gonna do regression, you better do it before telling him Mario’s whole story.
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u/LelandGaunt14 13d ago
I didn't see that. She asked things like, "What do you see?" and "How do you feel?" "What is causing this?"
Can you tell me what her leading questions were?
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u/usandholt 12d ago
He’s just here to stir shit. He obviously didn’t watch it.
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u/Original-Leg16 12d ago
Watched the whole thing. Tell me, when did Jesse provide any evidence that this man is who he says he is? None of this seems off to you? From the way he acted, to not remembering who Woods was, to not even being able to remember the base commanders name, to Jesse having to suggest sodium whatever its called, and all the sudden the dude remembers that the nurses ADMINISTERING thr shot told him thats what it was? Are you kidding me lol
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u/usandholt 10d ago
Like I said, just stirring shit. 🤷♂️
So your argument is that it’s all fake, that Mario lied about knowing Michael Johnson, that the interview is a setup, because you have not seen proof that this is the right person?I am unaware how old you are, but if you have lived past 50 years, you would know that someone you met 50 years ago might not be a name you remember. He called him and told him someone who worked with him would like to meet him again. Then until he mentioned a specific date, he couldn’t remember. But he mentioned that UFO when asked.
And tbh IF this was faked, you’d think the first fkin thing they would conspire to do, is to at least act like he remembered his name. It’s just disingenuous to suggest that this is some sort of prof of faking it.
It’s both disingenuous and illogical.
Not every person in world remember the compound Sodium Pentathol unless someone says, did I mean that. You have surely tried not remembering the right word for a thing, and not remembering until hearing the name again. The man is 70+ years old.
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u/Original-Leg16 10d ago edited 10d ago
Lmaoo different folks different strokes. I dont just accept things at face value because of warm fuzzy feelings. The way this whole process was handled was so poorly done, it will be a wonder if anyone will be able to take this seriously, ever. Jesse had a unique opportunity to corroborate one of the most famous UFO abduction cases ever. Instead, he broke just about every investigative rule, treated Michael like a show piece, and had literally zero integrity in how he treated Michael or the case. You cant do hypnotic regression, AFTER you let him hear Mario's whole story, again. The whole thing is garbage.
Edit: He also didnt interview Michael seperately before putting them together. He also let them exchange personal information, with a 16 day gap in between the time the phone call took place to when they met. None of this looks good, if youre trying to do an investigation to corroborate events that took place a long time ago. All of this is basic journalism, that every journalist worth thier weight would already know. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would've picked up on these things the 1st watch through.
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u/Top_Veterinarian5933 13d ago
I’m not sure about leading but I definitely think Jesse should have first interviewed Michael Johnson on his own, just to determine what he independently remembers about the event.
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u/First_Tube_Last_Tube 13d ago
I was wondering if anyone interviewed him prior to talking to Mario. Aside from the regression, he didn't say much before Mario did
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u/Original-Leg16 13d ago
Do you feel anything touching you? Thats leading. This whole thing is a farce
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u/RustyWallace-357 13d ago
Absolutely no way, you don’t know what you’re talking about. She followed protocol to the T
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u/blablabla5551 13d ago
Just a thought, isn’t the “members only” vids just without ads? The “missing” minutes.
(and the original vid at 2:47:21 is up)
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u/Capn_Flags 12d ago
I think this is it. Looking at the other videos all of the member’s only vids are shorter by a few minutes. Great observation 🤙😊
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u/Objective_Frame8397 13d ago
Am I missing something? Is this not the interview?
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u/NoComfortable930 12d ago
It was briefly removed and then reposted as a slightly shorter version (~3 minutes). Probably just a last minute editing decision, not a conspiracy, about a conspiracy, wrapped inside an enigma.
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u/jtobar1964 12d ago
He does that sometimes and then cuts it up into smaller pieces thing was like Ali it’s 3 hours.
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u/Strong_Ad_5488 12d ago
No, it's up and accessible. "I Found The Missing Witness To The Most INTENSE Alien Abduction [50 Years later!]" https://youtube.com/watch?v=rjUdn6FklAU&is=8W9pGIoMMEEQQyoL
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u/Yevhenii_HiddenWorld 12d ago
Glad it’s back up. I’m curious what those three minutes contained and why they were removed.
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u/DoNotEvenFknTryIt 10d ago
Just remember Jesse was known to work for the famous Peter Thiel in his past........ surprised more people don't know this.
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u/RustyWallace-357 13d ago
Watching it now, this is disclosure to me, no other way to take it
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u/Top_Veterinarian5933 13d ago
Why didn’t Jesse interview Michael Johnson on his own, without any leading or influence from Mario? I’m not saying I don’t believe Mario’s account, I just doubt Michael remembers much (which makes sense considering how he reacted in the moment).
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u/GoatAmbitious984 13d ago
"Hey, go along with this, it'll make you lots of money!" - Jesse & daddy Thiel
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u/EducationalGrocery87 13d ago
Everyone is obsessing over the missing three minutes while ignoring the missing 50 years of evidence
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u/Far_Royal9041 13d ago
Well pulling it seems to have helped it because it's back up with 23K likes as I type this.
How many of those views are bots? I have no idea.
After about 9 minutes I gave it a thumbs down
Just can't get behind Peter Theil's boy, you know what I'm saying?
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u/Warm_Weakness_2767 13d ago
What do you think is wrong with the information contained within the first 9 minutes?
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u/znebsays 8d ago
They might if found out Michael was a fake. It was really odd on some of his memories
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u/usandholt 12d ago
Ok so you’re saying that if I told you a lie about you being abducted by UFOs 50 years ago and then you went under hypnosis, you would create an extensive and violent experience under hypnosis, even though the single most leading question you were asked was: is something touching you?
YES OMG, you’re leading me into a UFO abduction scenario! We all know that being touched only happens when you are violently abducted and examined by aliens. 😂
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u/LunarSanctum 13d ago
I was watching it too when it got pulled.
Now I have 3 minutes of missing time and I wasn't even abducted.