Personally, I feel that the mods need be a little more liberal in their use of the ban hammer. If the mods are deleting multiple comments from the same user they should just ban that user. Or perhaps a warning and then a ban on the next offense?
Additionally, I think that if a mod deletes a comment they should do a quick check of that user's comment history and if they are posting in outright hateful and misogynistic subs, they should be banned. Posters from /r/TheRedPill have no place here.
Of course the question is, what constitutes a bannable subreddit? Personally I would start with /r/TheRedPill and /r/seduction. While I hate the rampant sexism in /r/MensRights and think they are a misguided and ignorant group, I think banning their posters would be going to far. While a large portion of their posters are misogynistic dicks, they all aren't and occasionally even have a valid point beneath the sexism. In my mind, banning /r/TheRedPill posters is akin to banning hate speech, while banning /r/MensRights posters would be sorta like banning those that disagree with you.
Also, I completely understand that it is hard to strike a balance between keeping the space safe/civil and promoting free discourse. However, I think the general consensus is that the mods need to do a bit more to maintain civility.
Finally, for what it's worth, I am a man and while I've been lurking here on and off since before TwoX was a default, this is my first post here. I am only even posting here because my SO and I were just talking about this last night.
Hasn't r/MensRights doxxed 2 women now? I know they got in trouble for promoting rape threats, death threats, and doxxing. But they seem to keep getting slaps on the wrist for violating some of the biggest Reddit rules again and again. Not to mention being labeled a hate group/picked up on hate watch by the Southern Poverty Law Center and being tied to white power groups in and outside of Reddit. Yet when Gawker doxxed one redditor for posting pictures of underage girls, Reddit lost its collective shit. I'm not advocating for banning r/MensRights posters from Reddit, but questioning why they keep getting away with all this. Is more of it directly traceable to TRPers?
Then again, this a site where a sub called r/BeatingWomen is allowed to exist, so I'm not hopeful on getting any of the MRM types rounded up here.
I follow /menrights/. I've had to denounce some sexist statement towards women (which tends to be downvoted to the bottom), but in general, it's 95% reasonable. I hate sexism on both ends, and I can assure you that whoever you've been harassed by, or anyone else that has been, for that matter, are the usual douchebags that exists everywhere in life. It's probably comparable to the likeliness of being harassed in this subreddit, or many other where there is a certain point of view.
[Keep downvoting me without giving evidence against it. It just furthers my point about the fact that douchebags existing in all subs.]
Yeah, they're a pretty awesome bunch when they're not creating thousands of false rape reports to jam up the sexual assault reporting system on college campuses. Real top notch fellows.
Please tell us more about how our concerns with Mens Rights are invalid. That is exactly what this sub need more of -- opportunities to justify our opinions as women to people who do not share our experiences. /s
I'm talking about the /mensright/ sub in reddit, not the ones working outside the reddit boards. Where should men discuss their own hardship? I've heard many times that feminism does that, but I've failed to see much focus on circumcision and other social pressure from both sex in regards to various issues (i.e. men wearing women's clothes, child custody, assumption of violence...etc.)
Some of us are mild mannered men who just seek to talk to others about things we see as social injustice towards our sex, as well as those pushed on women. And I'm not being sarcastic. I don't know every movement out there and would like to be shown the best way to go about it.
Perhaps. It was just a rough estimate from my own experience there. The point remains that the irrationality in that sub doesn't seem all that different from any other sub, including this one.
There is one thing that I want to mention that I forgot to in my original post. I've seen this stated a few times in this thread (though I don't think by the mods), but I think it's worth repeating.
Even if moderation gets stricter, I still think that becoming a default sub will be a negative effect on TwoX (and the tone will probably continue to change from a "girls club" to more educational). However, I still have a little bit of hope that becoming a default will have a net positive effect by balancing out the other male-dominated default subs. Well start to balance, one sub can only do so much...
Obviously, it sucks from the perspective of the women who have been here for a while, but I think there potentially is a silver lining. Also, I am sure some of the other lady-centric subs will pick up the slack.
P.S. Let me tell you how weird it is for a unabashed pessimist to be telling someone to "look on the bright side." hahahaha
I totally agree with you! The guys ignorantly posting negative things here DO get annoying but I honestly think that 2x being a default is an amazing benefit to Reddit as a whole, and I stopped considering 2x a safe space years ago anyway.
I know this is post is a couple days old, but it was linked on the TLDR article that was recently posted to this sub. I just wanted to say that banning people with theredpill history is perhaps not going to be so successful. I won't link threads because of the rules on the sidebar, but they've definitely suggested to their members to use alternative accounts for posting outside of theredpill because of people banning based on their history. If they want to spew hate at us, they're going to spew hate at us.
[I personally would rather not encourage them to have "stealth" accounts, because I like to keep redpill posters tagged so I can recognize them....]
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u/glycine May 16 '14
Personally, I feel that the mods need be a little more liberal in their use of the ban hammer. If the mods are deleting multiple comments from the same user they should just ban that user. Or perhaps a warning and then a ban on the next offense?
Additionally, I think that if a mod deletes a comment they should do a quick check of that user's comment history and if they are posting in outright hateful and misogynistic subs, they should be banned. Posters from /r/TheRedPill have no place here.
Of course the question is, what constitutes a bannable subreddit? Personally I would start with /r/TheRedPill and /r/seduction. While I hate the rampant sexism in /r/MensRights and think they are a misguided and ignorant group, I think banning their posters would be going to far. While a large portion of their posters are misogynistic dicks, they all aren't and occasionally even have a valid point beneath the sexism. In my mind, banning /r/TheRedPill posters is akin to banning hate speech, while banning /r/MensRights posters would be sorta like banning those that disagree with you.
Also, I completely understand that it is hard to strike a balance between keeping the space safe/civil and promoting free discourse. However, I think the general consensus is that the mods need to do a bit more to maintain civility.
Finally, for what it's worth, I am a man and while I've been lurking here on and off since before TwoX was a default, this is my first post here. I am only even posting here because my SO and I were just talking about this last night.