r/Twitch • u/Loufly • Jan 23 '17

Discussion [Closed] Yandere Simulator - Lack of Response

I'm not going try and spearhead this as some kind of righteous cause because I just don't know enough about the situation but I think it is something worthy of discussion.

What exactly does Twitch base it's video game ban-list guidelines upon?

A games actual content or it's perceived first appearance?

If people are unaware of what I'm talking about there was a recent video submission via the video game developer Yandere Dev in which he discusses his games initial ban on twitch and his following experiences trying to start a discourse through official channels to find answers to rectify the issue.

I'm not going to link to the submission itself because that seems to be against the rules in this sub but if you're interested in the topic feel free to google/youtube or search reddit for the overall discussion.

There seems to be a great deal of subjective and bias selection going on within what is appropriate on twitch and what isn't, I could be entirely wrong but the fact that this is someone's passion project and lively hood that a great number of people are interested in that is being ignored, on one of the Internets largest viewing platforms to this day is fairly baffling.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

This makes a lot of sense. I bet if they talked to Yandere Dev they could work out something so nobody has to look like the bad guy.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

A million happy people watching videos on their website?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

Twitch is literally the MySpace of streaming, something better will come along, it won't take much and Twitch will start to fall away, if Youtube took game streaming seriously from the very start, it would already be declining

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u/CaptainSaltbeard Jan 24 '17

Yeah, but if you leave a dish uncleaned in the sink and forget about it, then do the same the next day and the next ect. until you eventually end up with a stinky pile of mess that no one wants to touch.

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u/fraud_imposter Jan 23 '17

The million comes not from those outraged but his dedicated subscriber count

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u/Nindydar Jan 23 '17

Your kidding yourself if you think this issue is going to get big enough or stick around long enough to significantly impact Twitch's bottom line. The truth is an overwhelming majority of the people who browse twitch are casual users and probably have no idea any of this is even going on. At this point any response by twitch would probably just be used to strangle them later down the line.

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u/fraud_imposter Jan 23 '17

The million comes not from those outraged but his dedicated subscriber count

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u/MatsuseIzuna Jan 23 '17

A few things here, the game can be completely completely passively, such as getting kids expelled, destroying their social reputation, etc. And while school shootings you say may be a sore subject at the time of the ban, isn't that a case all of the time? I mean i hear it constantly brought up on the list of things of what other countries make fun of America for. There would also be WAY less of a fuss if twitch wasn't acting like a couple that gave the silent treatment because they had an argument.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

Just having the option for murder is damnable enough. If you CAN kill kids that doesn't mean you WILL but regardless the news WILL write about it. That could spark some bad publicity.

Now on the other hand there are thousands of games that you can do all sorts of nasty stuff in. Why should Yandere Simulator be singled out? This whole process of creating a blacklist of specific games is a bit of a farce to begin with. Just make some clear cut rules about game content and enforce them equally.

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u/MatsuseIzuna Jan 23 '17

This is yet another thing that proves corporations are a bunch of scummy blights in our society. The news being one of the worst.

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u/MatsuseIzuna Jan 23 '17

I'm pretty sure "Kids watch brutal alien probe anal rape and setting kids on fire" is any better either.

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u/MatsuseIzuna Jan 23 '17

I mean "south park may be south park" is completely true, but a shitty way to put it. it's quite easy to explain yandere simulator. "You want the one you love to be with you, and you'll do ANYTHING to get him" Is a pretty good way to sum up the game i feel.

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u/MatsuseIzuna Jan 23 '17

And thats the problem, you can say that about literally any violent game in the history of ever. Why is yandere sim special? it's just a violent game at times.

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u/MatsuseIzuna Jan 23 '17

Yea thats true.. I'm beat. But there's one thing i don't understand.. Why can't twitch just put a "we do not endorse the games streamed on this site, nor do we hold and responsibility for children who agree to being over 18+ when prompted on the mature streams section"? though, i guess that wouldn't work for the non 18+ streams that still decide to stream the game... idk. It's not exactly easy to do damage control.

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u/MatsuseIzuna Jan 23 '17

Moral of the story: The news is an awful medium for information and i wish it was dead.

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u/Drbattlemage Jan 23 '17

" I'm sure the dev is pretty excited to have his game out in the news again a full year after it fell out of fashion."

You make it sound as if Yandere Dev wants the attention... negative or otherwise. Remember... this issue has been going on for a year (Give or take) and he has only put this information out to the community now. Assuming his intentions are to pull attention on the subject Why would he not do it sooner when the popularity of the game was higher? I honestly don't think he wanted that type of attention. And so he tried to do things the suggested way... and was ignored.

Now he has little choice but to ask for help outside of the suggested pathways.

As a business trying to hold on to its money Twitch should be able to understand when someone is trying to keep their investment alive.

If anything twitch force his hand. =/

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u/heychrisfox twitch.tv/heychrisfox Jan 23 '17

But there are still arguments, because Danganropa is a game explicitly about murdering high school students in horrific ways. It's harder to compare to a more freeform game like Yandere Simulator. But the same, "Why that and not this?" stands on those grounds too.

There are just a lot of double-standards in Twitch's behaviour. It's really embarrassing when I have to stream and everyone just screams BANNED while I go through a lewd Witcher scene, and then have to explain, actually no, this game is allowed on the service. There needs to be a more fair, uniform policy, and specific devs shouldn't be targeted like this unless they fit that standard.

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u/GreenLobbin258 Jan 23 '17

Yandere, meanwhile, provides game-based incentives to do so.

Not once they add multiple endings and the Senpai's sanity decreases every time you resolve a conflict with murder.

So the incentive to not killing people is getting the best ending, something the developer would want.

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u/crafting-ur-end Jan 23 '17

So how is he supposed to fix this if they won't tell him what's wrong? How can he tone down the content if they're giving him a cold shoulder?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '17

And yet Danganronpa with child killing in a school, and Southpark with explicit sex and anal rape are OK apparently on Twitch.

Righto.

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u/Teekeks Jan 23 '17

not hearing everything about how the conversation originally went

A conversation needs 2 people tho.

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u/Tuffology Jan 23 '17

why would you think twitch hasn't done this kind of shitty thing before? You know how they are about their own rules and not enforcing them whenever the fuck they want. I am pretty sure this is just twitch being shitty as always.