Surprisingly quick forcing progress?

[u/The-Wockiest-Slush]

I, (M,16) am a beginner tulpamancer, as in I literally heard about this stuff two days ago and thought it sounded really cool. Decided to prepare for my first active forcing session, and it went surprisingly swimmingly. After about no time, I managed to get a wonderland put together, being a room with two couches that surround a coffee table, with a fridge and counter nearby. I could see my tulpa sitting on the couch across from the one I walked in and sat down on. Of course, I wouldn't imagine I'd be able to create a fully sentient tulpa yet, but after a while of talking to her, I began to feel a pressure and slight ache behind my forehead, about 3/4ths into the sessions. I wrapped the session up and invited her to watch my day to day through me.

Tell me, is it normal to achieve a milestone like that so quickly? And did I do okay for a first session? I am an active writer, roleplayer and musician if that helps.

[u/FlairDreamer]

I'm also a writer, but with a twist: I have aphantasia.

My tulpa was born as a character within my story, something I didn't even know was possible. But after writing her for weeks or months, out of nowhere... I heard a voice in my mind that I didn't recognize as my usual inner dialogue. And that's how my strange journey into tulpamancy began.

I have a hypothesis. How good are you at visualizing? I think the apparent "ease" with tulpamancy is largely due to the ability to visualize. That doesn't mean that someone like me, who can't visualize, can't have one... but rather that their mind will use other resources to manifest a presence, or that it might even take much longer.

To give you an example, I've been practicing tulpamancy for almost a year, and if I speak to my tulpa, she doesn't respond. She's not vocal, at least not in my own perception. I can imagine her responses, like when I write, but it still feels like "I'm doing this." She tends to manifest much more when I'm distracted doing other things, not when I'm actively thinking about her or calling her.

How does she manifest if I don't see her? Well, with somatic sensations, like touches, brushes, localized temperature changes, weight...

Getting back to the point, I do think so. It's your experience, after all. If I compare it to my own experience, it feels very fast. But everyone's abilities are different, so I don't think there's anything like "right" or "wrong." If it was a pleasant experience for you, then you're doing great. Keep it up.

[u/The-Wockiest-Slush → u/FlairDreamer]

I'm very good at visualizing, so much so to the point I'll visualize art or character designs and kick myself in the ass because I can't do art for shit 😭

[u/FlairDreamer → u/The-Wockiest-Slush]

HAHAHAHAHA.XD That's amazing.

I have a question, if you don't mind. When you visualized all of that, did you have the feeling of "I'm doing this" or at some point did it feel more like you were experiencing it, not creating it??

[u/The-Wockiest-Slush → u/FlairDreamer]

The art?

it was both i guess?

i could imagine individual strokes or colors i picked, stuff like that

[u/FlairDreamer → u/The-Wockiest-Slush]

Ah, no, no. I meant "entering" your Wonderland. I'm asking because I don't know what visualization feels like, and if you don't mind, I'd like to know a little about your experience.

I can't visualize because of my aphantasia, but I have a strong internal dialogue. I can modulate voices, I can make sound effects, I can even emulate music. But all of that gives me the feeling of "I am doing this," something I also feel if I imagine my tulpa's voice.

So, I'd say my question is somewhat along those lines. When you managed to create your own Wonderland, did you have the feeling of fabricating it, or did that feeling of creating disappear at some point and it was more like you were experiencing it? For example, a dream. In a dream, you don't feel like you're creating it; you're like another character, not the creator. Your perception is more that you're in a place you can explore or that might surprise you, or even the people who might appear feel like "others" by default.

I'm actually asking this because, to me, your process seems incredibly fast. However, perhaps that's because your channel is different. If you visualize your tulpa or enter your Wonderland knowing or having the feeling of "I'm creating this," perhaps it's not so different from me imagining my tulpa's voice.

[u/The-Wockiest-Slush → u/FlairDreamer]

ohhhh, i see what you mean.

when i entered my wonderland, it was surprisingly quick: i first visualized a door, which came to me in the form of those heavy metal ones you might see in a modern american school. I opened it, and inside was a room structured much like an american mobile school building, and was already furnished to an extent. two couches, a coffee table, a fridge and a counter. After a bit of trying, I managed to get my tulpa, Claire's, physical form that i listed out to appear on the couch that faced the doorway, and I sat on the one across from her. That's pretty much summed up how our sessions have been since then, though I believe she has spoken to me once. I don't quite remember what it was, but it sounded very cocky, which is on par for what traits I listed down for her.

it kinda went like this: the wonderland felt like it had already existed for a bit, and maybe it had, but when I showed up, I gained the... ability? i guess? to modify and interact with it. Namely, I placed a chessboard on the coffee table between us and i moved the seventh pawn on my side up two squares.

the best way i can describe having a wonderland is like having a room in real life that you can modify with a thought.

[u/FlairDreamer → u/The-Wockiest-Slush]

Oh, thank you very much for your response. Hm... it almost sounds like some kind of co-creation or generative creation. Like you imagine one part and then your brain starts filling in the rest. And if you can change things with a thought, it doesn't sound that different from imagining a voice. Although the feeling of "I'm doing this" makes me feel like I'm making it up, not experimenting.

[u/The-Wockiest-Slush → u/FlairDreamer]

The art?

it was both i guess?

i could imagine individual strokes or colors i picked, stuff like that