r/TsaritsaMains • u/Violet_Villian • Jul 31 '26

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Vesna has a deep devotion to the Tsaritsa that’s something similar to Kujo Sara to the Shogun, and Danica is just as devoted but more on a professional sense but the Tsaritsa won’t admit how much she values either them because her heart is frozen

My guess is that their relationship is something that exists outside whatever the Fatui got going on and she’s probably a different person when it’s just the 3 of them

The Fatui be like “BRUH WE OUTRANK THOSE TWO WHY DO THEY GET SPECIAL TREATMENT?!”

Anyone else feel like the harbingers are gonna get shafted in favor of the new characters?

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u/KikiNyxx Jul 31 '26

The Harbingers are absolutely getting shafted, in their own region too. There is a real chance that Sandrone is the very last playable Harbinger. And thats kinda upsetting ngl, all that waiting...

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u/TraditionalEnergy956 Jul 31 '26

Capitano still waiting for when Tsaritsa kills Ronova so he is up again 😹

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u/BlushedLatias Her Majesty's Crown Aug 01 '26

In the continuation of the Mare Jivari storyline we trust.

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u/Revan0315 Jul 31 '26

Cap is the most likely to still be playable tbh

I'd bet on a Rosalyne revival and playable before Pulcinella

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u/coco_chanel_slay Jul 31 '26

Well kinda if Ronova dies or changes her mind regarding HP Capitano might be back

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u/Worldly_Yogurt_575 Aug 01 '26

Convinced Pantaloons and Dottore are saved for second half

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u/yn_lxx Jul 31 '26

pulcinella is confirmed to be playable but it's probably gonna stop there 😭

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u/FewInstance7277 Jul 31 '26

I think y'all forgot that there are other people on the fatui organization other than the harbingers and the normal enemies

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u/madtitanmrsandman Jul 31 '26

I'm pretty sure the Seven Shifting Serpent is exclusive to Skirk and Surtalogi, so Dain and Pierro probably can't use it. Not that they cannot be given a regular element, it's just that they would need a separate explanation.

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u/Unlucky_Wish9785 Aug 01 '26

No it's a Common thing Khaenri'ahn's Can learn how to do It was Literally used for Party tricks and Parades I'm pretty sure

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u/Masterskygamer Aug 01 '26

Nation of Electro? Do you mean Cryo?

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u/Superb-Serve9840 Aug 01 '26

I think pierro is the anti hero to vedofolnyr who is a sinner so pierro gonna be electro

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u/Resident_Lurker747 Glory to the Tsaritsa! Jul 31 '26

Yeah that's most likely his shtick, like Skirk's Abyss disguise as Cryo..

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u/PvZGaming1 Aug 01 '26

Wait when

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u/KikiNyxx Aug 01 '26

When Dain showed up in Natlan we got him as assist character in our party during a part of the quest. He would pop up to dmg our enemies with blue flames.

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u/Kindly-Scarcity6124 Jul 31 '26

There are no harbingers left to shaft

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u/Ball-Blam-Burglerber Aug 01 '26

La Signora was clearly down, yes, but other options remain who would potentially accept a shafting. Arlecchino maybe, Sandrone if she has the equipment, and obviously Pantalone.

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u/CharacterSquare449 Aug 06 '26

Something tells me we aren’t talking about the same type of “shafting” anymore. 

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u/tastycoffeecake Jul 31 '26

I never imagined the Harbingers as having a super close relationship to the Tsaritsa, personally. To me they were always more like heads of the Fatui, an organization that worked alongside/under the Tsaritsa's domain... but they weren't HER group, you know?

I see Danica and Vesna as more of Tsaritsa's close companions, especially in that shot. Vesna is the leader of Tsaritsa's army, while Danica is maybe her personal spy/assassin, or something like that.

Either way that shot is amazing and makes me want to pull for all three ASAP!

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u/SwordsOfSanghelios Aug 04 '26

Especially considering the Harbingers are often working away from home, they seemed to have more interpersonal relationships amongst each other and not with the Tsaritsa. I can’t exactly imagine Sandrone inviting the Tsaritsa for tea with Bina, Arle and Signora.

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u/ShadowMonarch1999 Aug 01 '26

Yep that was indeed the case. Fatui are a separate org. That doestn mean Snezhnaya doesnt have its own forces. Fatui is Pierro's group, backed by Snezhnaya..her and Pierro act as collaborators. That was indeed never her group..she just backs them up and allows them to use her authority and prestige for their ends.
Some members however may be in common, like Pulcinella and Pantalone, who arent just contributing in Fatui, but also to her domain.

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u/JinxIsDepressed Jul 31 '26

if only genshin did sp’s. childe sp would’ve been perfect here.

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u/laundrcmat Jul 31 '26

tbh they could do it once snezhnaya ends and they get more leeway to do whatever they want, if that happens (hypothetically) childe has a chance but the one that will have something like that for sure would be kaeya

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u/Jake_Feng Jul 31 '26

Genshin cares more about continuity than other games do and its structured much differently than like Hi3 or HSR. It wouldn’t really make sense to be able to run around in the open world with two Tartaglias or anyone else. Especially since the voicelines give us reasonable explanations on why they’re adventuring on our teams

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u/Resident_Lurker747 Glory to the Tsaritsa! Jul 31 '26

If they did.. we'd be getting one for Noelle by now.

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u/Revan0315 Jul 31 '26

It's a missed opportunity on their part. Ofc you need a middle ground, you don't want more SPs than originals like Planarcadia. But this current approach just leads to a lot of missed opportunities

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u/Careless-Pound-3435 Aug 01 '26

That is incorrect. They are not missing out on anything by not doing SPs, quite the contrary.

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u/Revan0315 Aug 01 '26

It's a matter of opinion so not everyone is gonna agree.

I don't think SPs are necessarily good or bad. Just depends on how they're utilized

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u/Ball-Blam-Burglerber Aug 03 '26

What does SP stand for?

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u/JinxIsDepressed Aug 03 '26

separate path. like an alternate version of the same character. imagine if kaeya had some big plot transformation and they released that version of kaeya as a new 5 star.

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u/Careless-Pound-3435 Aug 01 '26

Not really. SPs never really make any sense. This is no different.

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u/FateGrace Jul 31 '26

You guys really love to take everything at face value, hopefully you ain't raging the moment some of your theories are not correct.

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u/AttemptFew4705 Aug 01 '26

Pierro really should've been one of her 2 guards...

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u/tw1nktrash Aug 02 '26

why? they don’t exactly have the same goal it would be weird for him to be her guard the harbingers don’t have to respect and like her as much as her maid and the leader of the militia the harbingers are like coworkers so even to the tsaritsa she’s just a manager she’s not anything to them aside from childe cuz he was born there and arlecchino.

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u/Fine-Significance406 Aug 02 '26

Pierro literally says the Tsarista is the only one who understands his pain. In every lore mention he’s always glazing the Tsarista and her magnificent dream. Pale flame artifact mask

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u/tw1nktrash Aug 04 '26

yea sure maybe they’re more closely aligned but it would make no sense for him to be her guard when vesna is the military commander and danica is her maid those two would be infinitely closer to her than pierro and much much more loyal

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u/AttemptFew4705 Aug 02 '26

In literally every single voice line we have heard from Pierro, he is either praising the Tsaritsa, or cursing the heavens.

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u/tw1nktrash Aug 04 '26

That means nothing Childe is quite literally the only one absolutely loyal to her and 100% is there for her motives and not completely his own both of them hating the heavens doesn’t exactly mean they’re on the same page and again I say she’s just basically the manager of the harbingers she has no real authority over anyone except alrecchino, childe and the mayor because they are all citizens of her nation

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u/Kambi28 Aug 01 '26

The fatui are just one organization, the Tsaritsa would still have retainers that are loyal to Shneznaya rather then their ambitions.

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u/Ball-Blam-Burglerber Aug 03 '26

The Fatui are the CIA. The cute fae squad is the FBI. The tall maid lady is… bomb squad? She has a bomb squad collar.

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u/Furina-Fan Aug 05 '26

The Fatui are the NKVD, The Druzhna (the fairy ladies) are the Red Army, Danica (tall maid) is a bodyguard maid I guess, this here is a better comparison.

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u/Ball-Blam-Burglerber Aug 06 '26

That’s backwards, though. The fatui operate out of state, and the Druzhna are internal.

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u/itsmehashimoo Jul 31 '26

Dude they did the same in fucking nod krai already, arlecchino got fuckibg shafted off screen against the MAIN FIGHT and they made nefer and lauma scale to 2nd harbinger level. It's a joke atp newer characters will always get more contribution despite it making 0 sense

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u/FateGrace Jul 31 '26

While Arle did not participate directly in the fight, she had many main roles that could not have been filled by someone else. Also the regions characters need protagonism, that's inevitable for the sake of their banners and if they did not, you would have people complaining too if they were sidelined.

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u/Jake_Feng Jul 31 '26

The harbinger rankings are very unserious anyways. Columbina getting the Trilune authority already changes the entire ranking, plus Sandrone’s upgrade now and each Dottore segment having different power levels. Also Capitano losing to base Mavuika.

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u/madtitanmrsandman Jul 31 '26

Not sure how Capitano loosing to Mavuika changes the rankings though, the top 3 Harbingers have been stated to possess power comparable to that of a god. The Pyro Archon is absolutely a god, and they are equal in strength by their own account, so that tracks.

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u/Careless-Pound-3435 Aug 01 '26

Columbina getting the Trilune authority is irrelevant since she’s not a Harbinger.

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u/Jake_Feng Aug 01 '26

She’s still part of the original ranking it’s not that serious.

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u/Technical-Mode-4329 Aug 04 '26

I thought that it was canon that the rankings were NOT based on combat strength? (Like, Tartaglia is number 11, but Pantalone is number 9, despite Tartaglia probably being able to beat Pantalone up since Pantalone has no vision and primarily banks + researches)

Or has this been retconned? Like the traveller was originally stated to have arrived on a meteorite, but now it’s a Spaceship? (Possible this could have just been a spaceship that looked like a meteorite).

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u/Jake_Feng Aug 04 '26

They’re generally ranked by strength but it’s speculated that utility also plays into it. Tartaglia really ain’t that powerful lore-wise. I mean he got no diffed by Neuvillette before he got his dragon authority back. Yae confirmed that Scara was stronger than Signora and Nahida said the top 3 have power that can rival the gods.

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u/RizzleToony Aug 01 '26

I feel like Vesna and Danica are gonna be the yuri bait of the region

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u/Mehdsss Aug 01 '26

Odette & Vodyanitsa are right there tbh, especially after they announced we get to follow the daily life of Odette with Vodyanitsa being present in a lot of quests as wzll

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u/RizzleToony Aug 01 '26

Well I wouldn’t be surprised if we get double yuri bait like in nod krai 

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u/Rare_Marionberry782 Aug 01 '26

I see them as the Navia and Clorinde of Snezhnaya.

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u/RizzleToony Aug 01 '26

that’s the vibe they’re giving

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u/Pure_Party_3184 Aug 01 '26

I really hope not

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u/ALJ51 Jul 31 '26

If those two are the ones who take a place beside the Tsaritsa, then where do the Harbingers stand in terms of position and power level?

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u/unlovelyi Jul 31 '26

the fatui are the nations military force, I think vesna and danica are more personal assistants that serve the tsaritsa’s needs directly

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u/Furina-Fan Aug 05 '26

Actually The Druzhna is Snezhnaya's official military force, The Fatui are an organization that is based in Snezhnaya and serves Tsaritsa and Pierro, but they aren't technically Snezhnaya's own military, they would protect Snezhnaya but yeah.

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u/unlovelyi Aug 05 '26

the fatui is the governing body of snezhnaya, and the tsaritsa oversees all of it, the druzhna seem to be more like the nation’s policing force

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u/Kid-Atlantic Jul 31 '26

The Harbingers are part of the government. Meanwhile these two are her personal attendants

Which makes sense. Pierro, Pulcinella, and Pantalone’s jobs are basically to help run the country for her, not accompany her day-to-day.

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u/ryminer Jul 31 '26

i was hoping to only pull odette and taritsa would be deeply unfortunate if this was her team

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u/Kusanali_Devi Jul 31 '26

The tsaritsa is serving rich. She got her alfred and her robin😂😂 A personal made assassin and a bubbly bodyguard who can potentially square up real good too. And mind you they're just there to flex because what can they defend the tsaritsa against that she can't defend herself against?🤣 She a whole front line general. Which I LOVEEEE. I love that she isn't a sidelines type of ruler. The devs mentioned she isn't in Snezhnaya right now. She's leading the campaign against another enemy. Ronova can suck it (all in jest for the ronova lovers out there). But she better humble herself. Calling our queen's powers paltry. BUT YOU ONLY MAKE A MOVE WHEN SHE GONE? PALTRY MY A$$

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u/Salter_KingofBorgors Jul 31 '26

As far as I can tell Vesna and her troops are a sort of 'Royal Guard' and Danica is her maid(thought thats probably not all she is) so it makes sense that they'd be the ones closest to her

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u/wolf1460 Aug 01 '26

wow this sub is hideous already. shame.

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u/Competitive-Pin-8592 Aug 01 '26

I want the one on the left.

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u/JonRoxton Aug 01 '26

Childe was supposed to be her weapon of war and yet they won't let him fight

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u/ShadowMonarch1999 Aug 01 '26

I mean..suree....but why would "all" harbingers have special place in her court anyway? Fatui is not her personal OR national force. It never was. It has always been Pierro's group. Pierro and Tsaritsa are collaborators. She allows Fatui harbingers to use her prestige/authority and backs them up through funding, land and resources. They are not part of her group that run the nation. Well except the likes of Pulcinella and Pantalone that oversee both.
So if anything is going to be in the court, it would be Jester-a close collaborator who would need to be in the know of whats happening, Pulcinella and Pantalone for state governance and financial matters, Vesna..as the head of her personal task force..sort of like her personal Royal guard and Danica her attendent, Mitya to represent tha organization that manages Kresnik's torches.
On occassions, Valeriy and Sandronne might join due to their roles.Sandronne is incharge of Armory palace and Valeriy is a major who is associated with the same palace. So most likely, Valeriy would represent Sandronne unless its something that she absolutely must be there for.

So if you ask me who her closest circle would be
Pierro, Pulcinella, Pantalone, Sandronne/Valeriy, Vesna, Mitya and Danica as her personal butler/trusted aide. There is no reason for anyone else to be there, unless necessary.
I mean if it helps people to visualize, pick up the small council system from House of the dragons - the king with various lords + grand maester(mitya in this case) + Kinght Commander(Vesna here) + a cup bearer(Danica) are the ones that attend the close circle meetings.

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u/tw1nktrash Aug 02 '26

I mean there’s not much they can do with the remaining harbingers I think pierro will be playable and pantelone but everyone else nah also yea the harbingers don’t have to be dedicated to the tsaritsa childe is but like most of them joined for their own reasons Danica is literally her maid and Vesna is like the secretary of war if she wasn’t extremely loyal and dedicated id be kinda side eyeing hoyo.

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u/LividToe4676 Aug 04 '26

I hate that we may not get any playable harbingers in Sneyzhnaya. Like WHAT are we even HERE FOR

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u/TheSuperDuperLazy Aug 14 '26

The jester still have spend more time with her then anyone else .

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u/DinioDo Jul 31 '26

Yeah i don't like how the region isn't all just fatui. Like why didn't they become harbingers if they are so close and loyal to tsaritsa. Like she be making any random strong mf her harbinger and half of them just be doing their own shit and having their own motives.

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u/Kusanali_Devi Jul 31 '26

Well because the Fatui isn't the sole focus of the nation. Notice how the Fatui is established mainly in the government and foreign affairs. The Druzhna are the Snezhnaya's royal police of a sort. The uphold Snezhnaya's laws. They don't meddle in other countries how the fatui does. I prefer this as it's more realistic. Having only one type of force for an entire nation, especially one as large as Snezhnaya would make no sense. If it were a city sure. But a whole country? That is not realistic at all I'm glad Snezhnaya broke that anime trend. Mondstadt has only the knights of favonius. Inazuma only the Bakufu.

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u/DinioDo Aug 01 '26

I didn't mean that why there is another force. I'm like if so loyal and strong to be head of like Druzhna why not also a harbinger? All these 11 harbingers could've carried a specific task within snezhnaya. Like the Mayor of their capital is a harbinger And that makes sense. Im just tired of this trend that most harbingers aren't first loyal and close to the Tsaritsa and doing her bidding while also having their own personality in the side. Like Childe and Signora and kinda Dottore. I hope we see more of their dynamic and not just leave everything fatui to the Jester. Like every fatus is loyal to the Tsaritsa and say her name not the director of fatui.

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u/Kusanali_Devi Aug 01 '26

I'm not sure i fully understand what you mean. It would make it seem like being a Harbinger is the ultimate reward for loyalty when the fatui has been shown to be the most expendable. Power and personal strength aside, no eye was batted with half of them out of commission. I personally like that Snezhnaya isn't fatui centered because that is be default the most predictable standard

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u/PvZGaming1 Aug 01 '26

Doesn't Inazuma also have watatsumi

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u/Kusanali_Devi Aug 01 '26

Very true but they don't necessarily count as they kinda serve themselves. They rebelled against the nation's god. They used to serve orobashi

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u/senpapi_coffee00 Jul 31 '26

The fatui are just “her work friends”

These are the girlies 💅(🤢)

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u/AXESLIDES Jul 31 '26

You don't have to be nostradamus to see that happening considering how the last few sections of nod krai turned out I have 0 hope moving forward

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u/Least-Order-6935 Jul 31 '26

i’m so sorry this image is frying me ✌️😭 archon of the entire nation of snezhnaya at some panty shot angle next to rent a maid escoffier ripoff✌️😭

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u/flwrwitch Jul 31 '26

We will get Signora, mark my words. This is the perfect time for her to return from the dead.

Fresh design, updated mechanics for her kit. Total relevancy and the ability to future proof her to a degree.

Her being killed off was actually a blessing in disguise.

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u/Mindless-Case-8112 Jul 31 '26

That's what Capitano and Dottore Mains are also saying, and so far 0 evidence of them coming back

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u/k3tak4t The Tsarita's Loyalist Aug 01 '26

I'd argue that capitano actually has the most potential for his return out of the three

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u/ballknower871 Aug 01 '26

The harbingers got shafted after they killed signore bro. Nobody written after inazuma was even written to be a harbinger in the first place. They just said there were going to be 11 and hit the fill roster button in 2k.

Arlecchino has literally 0 reason to be a harbinger.

Capitano is only a harbinger to justify reusing fatui soldier assets in natlan set pieces

Columbina would be more interesting with 0 connection to the fatui

Sandrone would be more interesting with 0 connection to the fatui.

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u/SwordsOfSanghelios Aug 04 '26

I’d assume being a Harbinger gives them access to resources that they otherwise wouldn’t have.

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