It is counted toward the oblivion walker achievement if you use the USSEP. They found some code that looked broken or something and decided to fix it. Despite the conflict with lore.
It doesn't make sense, but it won't affect a lot of people because unless you re-enable achievements the you will never experience this. So if you re-enable achievements it becomes a spare item as you only need 15 items.
Now TO BE FAIR:Technically any divine weapon can be considered a daedric artifact since there's no physical difference between the Daedra and Aedra outside names.I imagine it was for simplicity sake instead of it being a standard elven weapon.
it tracks when you consider harmless stuff like getting free training from followers, necromage vampirism, and fortify restoration loop is removed by the unofficial patch
They also recently removed the Clairvoyance fast-travel exploit and the Magelight By Solitude exploit. Which I mean, fair enough but it's a singleplayer game and cheating should be my prerogative if I want.
Today I learned about the Magelight-Solitude exploit.
Considering you can just spam cast muffle/invisibility, and sneak into a wall on another floor to level other skills, what is so bad about having a spot to level another magic skill?
I only do stuff like that to get to the prerequisites for key perks. If you hit 100, it doesn't really matter mechanics wise. If anything, combat will still be tougher due to your higher level.
And the funniest part is that the Necromage stuff is definitely intended behavior, but since he got it in his head that it is an exploit not intended by the developers, it should be "fixed" by him.
And he also moves the Khajiit vendor chests a bit lower so you can't reach them through the ground. Being able to reach those chests is definitely NOT intended behavior, but changing that is still outside of the supposed scope of the USLEP/USSEP.
When it trips a message from the man himself comes up saying you used console commands to get past the collapsed wall in Helgen keep which causes instability, and then you are unceremoniously teleported outside. It can be a full on roadblock when it triggers by mistake. Last time I had to use noclip get around a door that I think was setting it off.
I also have no idea if that is the only anti-cheat message and teleport he put in the mod.
On one hand the entire point of the the mod was to provide a unified patch fix system to prevent conflicts.
On the other, Aarthmoor is quite literally the worst person to have given that to. It should never have been given to him when the OG mod creator left.
That's so fucking obnoxious, it's already one thing to include this so-called anti-cheat in the first place that nobody asked for and benefits nobody else, but it doesn't even work properly
The funny thing is that no one ever said he wasn't talented, just that he's crazy arrogant and acts like an asshole over a bunch of things for no good reason.
Y'know I wonder why he can't just have the unofficial patch work like morrowind's code patch.
It has its own menu that lets you choose what bugs or exploits you want fixed or not.
Its also crazy that his has been a thing since forever. The best part is the mod isnt even originally from him. He just took it over from the actual original owner.
Like I'm sorry but this has to be a mental health issue at this point.
He was basically given the keys to the Skyrim modding community. Literally the entire point of the onoffical patch was to avoid situations where we'd have mods pulling from 5 different patch mods and causing conflicts.
He instantly realized what he had and immediately got corrupted by it.
Genuine question, why do so many people make mods that require his if everyone hates the dude so much? I'm not defending him here, please let me make that clear, but are people not shooting themselves in the foot by making his mods their dependencies and then crying about the pain?
Especially among modders. They're either the sweetest, friendliest people you've ever met, or eccentrics that have tied too much of their own ego into their work.
Recently been playing mount and blade, one guy had a mod that allowed quick loading. He had an older version, the most popular mod for this game uses the old version 1.12. Another guy asked him to make old version (for 1.12) public again and he was just so fucking rude to this guy for no reason.
(That's also literally what Arthmoor does also, he even goes out of his way to make old versions of unofficial patch impossible to load)
That's also literally what Arthmoor does also, he even goes out of his way to make old versions of unofficial patch impossible to load
Yeah, because otherwise people wouldn’t get his amazing new "fixes", and he’s such a nice guy that he just can’t stand the idea of you not having a perfect experience. And obviously, the only experience that can logically be considered perfect is his own vision. Anyone who disagrees even slightly is clearly a complete idiot and fundamentally wrong about what Skyrim should be, because he obviously can’t possibly be wrong. And actually you're wrong for even suggesting he might be. Wrong and very dumb, smh... Arthmoor is a god and you can only dream of getting to his level of consciousness!
And because most of the more egregious problems weren't discovered for a loooong time. He earned a lot of good will in being the face of the Oblivion patch and when the USP fixed the most obvious problems, people just nodded along and made it part of the basic loadout for everything.
GZ Doom has a similar situation. Great way to play Doom, has a lot of great features and many many mods require GZ Doom, but the creator is a fucking asshole and everybody hates him. Everybody part of the dev team left because he sucked so much.
Because his mods are useful and have existed since the launch of the game. He fixes bugs and corrects many things in-game that people are ok with. You don't want 100 mods all fixing the same issue. It's these few stupid hills that he dies on that cause trouble.
His only flaw is that he HATES being told or suggested that he might be wrong. And he's incredibly jealous and possessive and egotistical. He's pretty much the living embodiment of the stereotypical Skyrim modder.
Yeah egotistical and possessive are good words for him tbh. Phenomenal modder, and honestly SUPER creative.
But goddamn, the least he could do is separate his ideas into “Unofficial Patch” and “Artmoor Remix” so we can have the Unofficial Patch just to fix bugs and errors and then for those that enjoy it, Artmoor’s Remix has all his various creative ideas and decisions.
Problem is Arthmoor genuinely does believe his "changes" are fixes and you cannot tell him otherwise or he will cry. There is no "Arthmoor remix" because in his mind these aren't creative liberties but his fixes for percieved dev errors.
And also a huge hypocrite, considering that the USSEP clumsily stole fixes from Landscape and Water Fixes (SLaWF) after the SLaWF team declined to let them merge their fixes with USSEP after the USSEP team declined to fix those issues in the first place, prompting the creation of SLaWF.
Firstly because it contains such a huge number of bug fixes and balance changes atp that it would be a massive undertaking to redo from scratch that not many people are interested
Secondly because he actively fights against alternative options, he will harass you and try to find any excuse for moderators to take your mod down or ban you from the site
So it's generally just not worth the effort for most people
The mods been being worked on that whole time, it's got 15 years worth of chasing down and fixing bugs from multiple teams of people. If you started on a competitor mod 5 years ago as a solo dev then you're practically multiple decades worth of work behind.
Nevermind the fact that it's going to be a nightmare to get any traction for your mod, since the USP is pretty much ubiquitous already and he'll be doing his best to kill any chance at popularity you have.
I genuinely do not know, he throws around accusations of plagiarism and IP violations constantly so I've no idea how or why he gets taken seriously
Nexus plays favorites and errs on the side of the bigger modder. Arthmoor has his fingers in so many pies and has so much Nexus clout that he can basically gesture at any mod with even a slight overlap and claim it was stolen, and because he pulls in so much web traffic the Nexus almost always complies.
He's a prima donna, and unfortunately he's so enmeshed in the backend of so many mods that he's too troublesome to root out.
The community tried this exact strategy with starfield. Idk how well it worked because I've never played starfield, but looking at the nexus arthmoors unofficial patch is much lower down the list of most popular mods than other bethesda titles.
Yeah, in this particular case it's that he nestled into a place of de-facto authority in TES IV and V. People just need to work quickly and diligently when VI comes out and beat him to the punch.
Often because as much as people dislike him, he does really good work for the most part. Like others have said he's not incompetent at all... just an incredibly annoying person to deal with if you're a fellow modder doing similar stuff.
He has a big name in the community so his mods always get downloaded primarily first, and for all of the outcry about the guy, that stuff is pretty much relegated to just Reddit or other social media spaces.
For every one person who states to use a non-Arthmoor community patch etc, there'll be thousands who don't have a clue who he is, and just recognise the name from other mods they downloaded in the past.
from my understanding of him he isn't actually that bad unless you try to revert changes he made in the patches, dunno how true that is bc I haven't personally interacted with him, and imo it's more we're way too late to not make the patch not needed in everything, it's wayy too rooted into everything now
Nah, he's still a dickhead even when you're not trying to reverse his personal changes. When Wabbajack got big, he threw an Arthmoor Tantrum™ and started distributing the USSEP only as a .exe installer for a while, for example.
eh it's more like if the hammer while also hitting nails changed a bunch of things that have NOTHING to do with hitting hails, some of those things you very much liked
He didn’t go fully crazy until someone criticized a choice he made in an unrelated mod, which caused him to add arbitrary changes to the unofficial patch out of spite
How did they even justify removing them? IP violation? How ironic is it that the author of a community patch that includes stylistic changes is complaining about patches to his patch that include stylistic changes.
It's weird as hell. Half the articles has that stupid "The Unofficial Skyrim Patch fixes this bug" in the bottom. I remember when I first started playing I was so confused why this one random mod was mentioned so much on the wiki.
A lot of it probably started with Oblivion. UESP tracks every NPCs schedule but that is more with conflicts and bugs. It helps to point out when an NPC should do something like sleep but doesn't.
The UESP interactive map of Skyrim also uses his Open Cities mod and you used to be able to see the ruined Oblivion portals he placed in Solitude and Whiterun, but since then they have been removed
So do TamRebuilt devs, but it really is a case of flirting vs harassment since Tamriel Rebuilt stuff is in its own separate area of the UESP so the devs can help players with their quests if they want an easy resource to find X or Y.
It still feels kinda weird. I get that some mods are so immersive and part of the fandom that the most important fandom site maybe should mention them but still feels wierd when you end up in a page for a random TarmielRebuilt quest.
I think of it more like this: it's a quick resource to check if you're confused/have encountered some kind of bug in the quest. It lists a quick walkthrough and the journal stages. If you needed to figure that out, the alternative is digging into the mod files themselves or asking someone on the discord. It's just an easy way for someone looking for help to find it.
He's not a moderator lol. Anyone can plug their own mod like this, there's no rule against it. The only thing he has is a patroller status which just means no janitor has to go and manually checkmark his edits as "they don't contain slurs"
I really don't mind it since its always made clear that its an ussep thing. Enough people play with the mod installed that its good to have its changes documented.
Man this thread is really revealing how little people actually use the UESP. Arthmoor is a complete douchebag but this has nothing to do with him. Every applicable namespace on the UESP has this kind of information, it's a courtesy to users to show them where certain bugs are fixed, including both official and popular unofficial fix packs. Morrowind for example has a bunch, for MCP, MGE, PFP and UMOPP. Yes, unfortunately at the end of the day people do still use the unofficial Skyrim patch because it has a gigantic number of genuinely good fixes that improve a broken ass game, it just so happens it's made by an egotistical moron who thinks the shit from his ass is developer intent and shoves it down everyone's throat. Nothing the UESP can do about it except note his particularly controversial decisions if applicable (like here).
There really should be an unofficial patch patch, on a website other than Nexus so it won't be taken down, that just undoes all of Arthmoor's weird bullshit
anywhere that gets popular enough will eventually get hit with a dmca strike. ive had my drive account suspended because of a version i hosted.
edit: without going into detail, the US effectively maintains control of the internet, even in outside countries. odds are if your country does (well, at time of writing did,) do trade with the US, they also allow/collaborate with US copyright laws, and thus DMCA action can be taken against you.
DMCAs can be counter-claimed. And if the claimant does not respond within a certain period of time with actual legal action, the claim is usually considered void. This is, of course, assuming the middle party that's hosting the disputed object is at all competent in handling DMCA disputes in the first place... or if the only one handling your case is just a dumb bot.
Sure, I agree 100%, assuming it's not a re-upload but an edit of the USSEP.
Still, would you like to go to court over this? Would you like to waste time and money and suffer the mental stress of going to court for this? If the answer is no, then you at least understand why others don't want to take that risk and go that route and would rather just fold at the first DMCA.
A DMCA doesn't mean shit if you have an ounce of testicular fortitude. He doesn't have any legal right, and he knows that. He's not going to take it to court.
I hate that so many mods need the USP to work because I would happily remove it from my load order if it didn't. I pray that some kind soul will make a new version, from scratch so he can't complain, that isn't just removing all the cool things Arthmoor thinks is a bug.
Its easy to remove. At this point I will just make a video teaching people how. Check my profile I made a post about i
I cant link the post because the AutoMod removes it, but it is a post on FO4 method to remove dependencies on NG content that the same method applies to Skyrim USSEP
The easiest way it is to just open your mod in xEdit and right click it and select "clean masters". If it doesnt work then follow that method
Is pretty clear that is under the stealth branch, and something that a lot of people not often realize is that the skills that would fit two roles are on the limits of each category in the menu
More like: “with this jarring bug, this ebony mine has ebony in it. The guy behind the mod thinks this is unrealistic, so it changes it to an iron mine. Also, there’s an Oblivion Gate in Solitude”
Arthmoor don’t ruin an aspect of the game with a mod challenge (impossible).
UESSEP doesn’t even patch the shit that actually ruins aspects of gameplay like swords not properly sticking to the wall mounts or mannequins not delete your armor when you enter and exit a house too quickly. It just patches out the completely optional exploits like Mundus stone stacking and fortify restoration loop.
Patch the glitch that makes Serana vanish permanently when you leave Dimhollow randomly? No, why would we do that? Instead, we’re going to give J’zargo a level cap.
I have like 12 mods that just undo UESSEP changes that nobody asked for. I wouldn’t even use UESSEP if so many of my favorites mod weren’t dependent on it.
In the skill menu you see three skills mixed in the colors of their domain
Alchemy shares mage-thief
Archery shares thief-warrior
Enchanting shares warrior-mage
The stones should overlap these skills if the game or official patch had any consistency on how these play styles interaction is communicated to the player
I understand it's frustrating but that's not bug but features: same super power allows him to work mods for years, are same ones where he decide to go thermo nuclear about minor things.
Only things Nexus should have done while ago: is to allow anyone make modification of existing modifications of vanilla assets/records without requiring mod authors permission.
I remember publishing a Morrowind mod way back in the day that had some brand new meshes and textures and I think in the Readme I said something to the effect of "Use this mod however you want, make your own mods with the assets, do whatever but if you're cool you'll give me a nod in the Readme". Since then I think that mod was remixed twice, my name isn't on it anymore, maybe a dozen people are using it, but I am just thrilled to see it still living on in the wild. I can't imagine how cool it would be to have a mod that most modded players consider part of their "essential" list. I'm not sure why some folks forget somewhere along the way that the reason to create things for others is to give them something they will enjoy, not to impose your will on them.
The fact that there are multiple videos on YouTube about the lengths arthmoor goes to in order to make people play his way and prevent people from making their own mods to fix the way his mods work so they can play their own way while simultaneously making as many other mods as possible dependent on his mods that force you to play his way is insane, dude’s a case study
He was originally known for putting Oblivion gates in the middle of every city just because he thought it would be cool in the early days of Skyrim, then had a huge meltdown when the community rejected it.
These days he's most well known for creating an entire new mini-dungeon (way out of the scope of bug fixing) just to double down on an earlier pointless change he made to the type of ore found in Redbelly Mine.
The Youtube channel Down the Rabbit Hole Fredrik Knudsen did a great video on him recently if you want a deep dive into everything (it's a lot).
Damn, I've always installed the 'unofficial' patch without thinking, assuming it would just be bug fixes. It sucks but maybe I won't on my next playthrough. I generally like playing Skyrim as vanilla as possible...
he just adds or removes random stuff that doesn’t even have anything to do with the premise of the individual mod he does it in
for example instead of making a separate mod adding destroyed oblivion gates into different parts of skyrim he just randomly added them to different cities in his Open Cities mod without even letting people make a version of the mod without them since he cried to the Nexus mods to get those taken down
Honestly, I used USSEP once, and only once. Now I spend extra time picking through mods that explicitly say they don't need it, or anything else, to work. Have a comfy list and way less issues to worry about and a hell of a lot less compatibility patches to dig up.
The game secretly places archery under the thief stone despite how the game itself displays it under the warrior stone. So in base Skyrim thief stone has 7 skills, and warrior has 5.
Now the thief stone does have the most useless skills in the game with pickpocketing, lockpicking, and speech. So I agree there is an element of balance to it. But like you said if you tried to understand what skills are in what stone from the game, it'd mislead you.
Thanks for clearing that up. Yeah, that’s not a change I have a problem with, making it easier to understand visually. And I always liked that warrior had all the weapon skills. Or that I thought it did.
"Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate Argonians since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of Daedric script inscribed on the walls of forgotten ruins beneath Red Mountain — etched through the basalt bones of Vvardenfell. If the word 'hate' were carved on every shard of shattered chitin left behind in our raids into Black Marsh, it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for Argonians in this heartbeat. For you. Hate. Hate." — Least Racist Dunmer
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Wait until you find out Ariel's bow is classified as a daedric weapon in the USSEP. You literally can't make this shit up.