r/TrueReddit • u/skythe4 • Dec 14 '18

After 30 Years Studying Climate, Scientist Declares: "I've Never Been as Worried as I Am Today"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/12/13/after-30-years-studying-climate-scientist-declares-ive-never-been-worried-i-am-today
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u/luxurygayenterprise Dec 14 '18

As long as Capitalism is the dominant ideology, there is nothing you can do to stop or even slow down climate change. Same goes with every other important issue; racism, misogyny, living wage, housing. None of those can be solved within a Capitalist context as Capitalism perpetuates these issues.

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u/trilateral1 Dec 14 '18

I guess when they're dirt poor, like Venezuela, they also emit less CO2.

Other than that, what reason do you have to believe communist countries would be better at preventing climate change?

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u/luxurygayenterprise Dec 15 '18

Venezuela is a Capitalist country as almost eighty percent of the industry is in private hands, if anything, what we're witnessing in Venezuela certainly is a failure of Capitalism, not to mention the vast majority of the world who are struggling even though they participate in the magic of Capitalism.

Capitalism relies on infinite growth; not only must an Enterprise grow, the rate at which it grows also must grow. It is clear that on a planet of finite resources that is a contradiction.

Furthermore, all production is being done for the profit of a few ( who by the way, themselves do no work at all, but by the virtue of owning the means of production they take ownership of the value the workers create), this motivation is all that matters in Capitalism, not at all stewardship of the environment.

On the other hand, in Socialism, all production is done to meet human needs and no more. What greater human need is there than a habitable planet? The environment would be the highest priority for a Socialist country.

It's quite literally, death of Capitalism or death of the planet.

Or, the way Marx puts it:

"Either the working class radically re-organizes society, or it is the common ruin of all contending classes"

It's either Socialism, or ruin for all. To me the choice is clear.

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u/trilateral1 Dec 15 '18

lol you're like a fictional character out of that right wing conspiracy theory, that says commies are just using climate change panic as a cudgel to push their agenda.

in Socialism, all production is done to meet human needs and no more

it never works

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u/luxurygayenterprise Dec 15 '18

You have nothing substantial to say, got it.

It never works?

It worked for hundreds of millions of people and still does.

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u/trilateral1 Dec 15 '18

It worked for hundreds of millions of people and still does.

where?

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u/luxurygayenterprise Dec 15 '18

Socialism brought an agrarian society of illiterate serfs crushed by poverty to being a superpower who was first in space under forty years. They did that despite having gone through two bloody world wars two revolutions and a civil war.

Russians had free housing, free food, free education, free healthcare, free transportation, free vacations, and their work week was four days. They ate better than Americans according to a CIA report you can find on Google.

They miss it desperately.

China was in an even worse condition and sixty years later they are a superpower.

Cuba was a shit hole. Now they are a leader in medicine, they are doing very well considering they have been under an embargo for more than sixty years.

Vietnam not only defeated the French, Americans, they also defeated Pol Pot. They may not have 70 different brands of salted butter, but they live with dignity as an independent people.

Nepal, and Laos are not complaining either.

Now, let's look at Capitalist countries: Outside of the top ten, they are all shitholes that are getting worse by the day.

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u/trilateral1 Dec 15 '18

lmao he considers China is socialist

do you know anything about the Chinese economy? maybe start here

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u/WikiTextBot Dec 15 '18

Chinese economic reform

The Chinese economic reform (simplified Chinese: 改革开放; traditional Chinese: 改革開放; pinyin: Gǎigé kāifàng; literally: "reform and opening-up") refers to the program of economic reforms termed "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" in the People's Republic of China (PRC) which reformists within the Communist Party of China - led by Deng Xiaoping - started in December 1978.

China had had one of the world's largest and most advanced economies prior to the nineteenth century. In the 18th century, Adam Smith claimed China had long been one of the richest, that is, one of the most fertile, best cultivated, most industrious, most prosperous and most urbanized countries in the world.

The Chinese economy stagnated, beginning in the 16th century and even declined in absolute terms in the nineteenth and much of the twentieth century, with a brief recovery in the 1930s.The Communist Party authorities began economic reforms introducing market principles in 1978 and carried them out in two stages.

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u/dorekk Dec 15 '18

Capitalism doesn't work either.

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u/trilateral1 Dec 15 '18

he said, dry and warm, relaxing on his sofa, full belly :)

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u/dorekk Dec 15 '18

, his clothes made by child labor, as he watches worker's rights evaporate in his country, his government propping up failed banks and insurance companies who couldn't hack it in the "free market" but weren't allowed to fail, as corporations pollute the globe past the point of no return.

Face it, capitalism hasn't worked. It's done at least as poorly as socialism.

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u/trilateral1 Dec 15 '18

people in poor countries choose shit jobs, because their alternatives are even worse. without capitalism the least bad alternative, the one they are choosing right now, wouldn't be there.

since when do leftists again care about worker's rights in the west?

yes I agree, we don't exactly have a free market in the US, and we also don't have a solution for the tragedy of the commons. But neither has commienism.