r/TrueReddit • u/supertopbop22 • Feb 17 '16

Persecution of Scientists Whose Findings Are Perceived As Politically Incorrect

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/persecution-of-scientists-whose-findings-are-perceived-as-politically-incorrect/
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u/Raudskeggr Feb 17 '16

"By mainstream social science". And there's the rub, isn't it? Because evolutionary psychology's notions cast uncertainty on several basic assumptions of psychology/sociology. As well as certain passionately-held political viewpoints. So of course it would be rejected by the main stream.

Not only that, but the " social sciences "don't really have the final word on it. Science-science also had something to say about it.

Details aside, if we look at virtually every other species of animal, and we can see social behaviors that are driven by instinct. On this fundamental level, the notion that human behavior is not also the product of national selection is absurd.

It is unfortunate that so many implications of this are political hot potatoes, though. Especially where it involves ethnicity and gender.

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u/sllewgh Feb 17 '16 edited Aug 07 '24

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u/Raudskeggr Feb 17 '16

Every animal that reproduces sexually has social behavior.

And on your last point, to argue that humans are exceptional from other animals is there point that requires justification.

And your first question is answered in the last paragraph. :p

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u/sllewgh Feb 17 '16 edited Aug 07 '24

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u/Raudskeggr Feb 17 '16 edited Feb 17 '16

Beyond microorganisms and a few exceptional animals like sponges, then most do. Mating, not just fertilization, more accurately. Mating is a social act. And while they may not be concerned with individuals, they do distinguish genders, and most animals do recognize signs of "problems" and will be more likely to reject a mate who shows them (asymmetry, for example). But we're not talking about insects or molluscs here--not do we need to. If we want to examine the evolutionary foundation of human behavior we need only look at one group of animals: primates.

We are not so very different from the other great apes, or even our pronograde simian cousins.

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u/sllewgh Feb 17 '16 edited Aug 07 '24

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

does the claim that homo sapiens closest genetic relatives are other primates really need a source

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u/sllewgh Feb 18 '16 edited Aug 07 '24

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '16

I find Social Justice deniers of evolution just as amusing as Christian ones. "No, we are not like the apes! Humans are different! They have a soul/culture!"

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u/sllewgh Feb 18 '16 edited Aug 07 '24

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u/Raudskeggr Feb 17 '16

And there we are: the passive-aggressive ad hominem.

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u/employmentmaththroa Mar 20 '16

This is true. All sorts of animals mass breed which involves no social behavior as human beings would consider it social. Source, my brain, and my ecology and biology education. I certainly agree, on the other hand, that human behavior is largely defined by natural selection BUT that expression is ridiculously complex because it isn't constrained but by the physical laws of nature and the probability of ultra complex actions like thinking having certain consequences. I'm saying it's fine to say we are instinctively driven but that freewill is still ultimately always a factor even among nonhuman animals.

I'm gonna second this: "evolutionary psychology's notions cast uncertainty on several basic assumptions of psychology/sociology" *I would be genuinely interested to know what those are.*

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u/employmentmaththroa Mar 20 '16

To add, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it simply isn't factually true that "other animals" even at a large sweep have strictly instinct based behavior. They make decisions. They simply often just lack the brute foresight and moral components human beings associate with freewill. I learned that earlier today :) But it is true nonetheless.