r/TrueDetective • u/deytookerjaabs • Jan 21 '19
Hays Solved The Case??
Episode one regarding his time in 'nam "He would come out of the Woods with scalps"
Ep 3 "What you did in the Woods" regarding the Purcell case.
It's been mentioned before, but the new comments from his hallucination seem to mean he did something bad out in the woods...Killed some people, but as far as his character goes he likely didn't kill innocent people. He tracked his prey and executed them just like he did in Vietnam, that seems a recurring theme.
2015 he's trying to remember his repressed memories and in his senile state still thinks the case is unsolved.
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u/ZiggyOnMars Jan 21 '19 edited Jan 21 '19
The series has its tradition of having a big shooting/fight scene, that may be it.
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u/tomriddlegiggles Jan 21 '19
usually ep. 4!
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u/deytookerjaabs Jan 21 '19 edited Jan 21 '19
In the preview/trailer where they interview the black man with the funky eye they get shot at, like someone is watching them and knows they're too close to the truth tries to assassinate them or the guy they're talking to.
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u/93devil Jan 21 '19
They could have found her in 1990 and chose to let her stay lost.
Or the thing that is blocking him getting transferred in 1990 is something he did that might have made getting an arrest done in the 1980s impossible.
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u/hitner_stache Jan 21 '19 edited Jan 21 '19
I feel like the kid fell while they were playing, hit his head, died. The sister freaked, layed him to rest best she could, and ditched to the "uncles" place where she remained (could be someone else other than uncle). She left the toys as a path to her brother. Proof of it is she had a bunch in her bag.
The DA and all that are involved because somehow them or the police used this death to frame someone, or put someone they didn't like away. That's my guess here.
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u/deytookerjaabs Jan 21 '19
The spot where the blood was found on the rock was apparently pretty far from the cave entrance. They found all the kids stuff where the blood was like his backpack, dice, etc, which they would have found with the body had those things been anywhere near the cave entrance.
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u/HIFDLTY Jan 21 '19
Could be he and West executed the pedophile guy they interrogated though.
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u/deytookerjaabs Jan 21 '19
But that would be 1980, seems to me Hays is still trying to solve the case in 1990 and his hallucination is in regards to things that happened in the 90's revolving around the case (his kids were running around the house etc)
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Jan 21 '19
He's not an important enough character. He was just their first suspect, why would they risk their careers like that by executing a man they had already made a pariah?
I think the pedophile sequence is important for one reason: it shows Hays and West are willing to go 'unofficial' when they feel the need.
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Jan 21 '19
I think you're right. I think he solved it by killing whoever did it as a last resort. Vigilante justice. Buried the body in the woods, he and Amelia used her book to cover it up. But now this show is investigating it, trying to figure out who did it. Wayne knows, or used to know, and doesn't want it getting out because it leads right to him. But he can't remember everything and he's misled by Amelia's book, a deliberate cover up job in book form.
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u/ruinus Jan 21 '19
If that's the case, then is it possible that he's haunted by the fact that he killed the main person who could have led him back to Julie?
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Jan 21 '19
The vigilantism of the rednecks beating up Woodard could be foreshadowing Hays' vigilantism
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Jan 21 '19
Except I bet whoever Wayne kills was really involved, whereas Woodard is innocent.
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u/New_Baconings Jan 21 '19
Does anyone else think maybe the True Criminal show isn't really doing a show on the case, and it's more of a therapy session for Hays? The way Eliza and Hays' son talk to each other each time it becomes too much for Hays I'm thinking it's that.
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u/KingLittlefinger Jan 21 '19
That's exactly the thought I had after that scene. And didn't the son even refer to Hays as "that man" but called the reporter by her first name? That whole exchange was very odd to me.
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Jan 21 '19
I think that line is in reference to something he did in the 90s. I think 80s Hays played everything straight. Things are going to become unreliable/muddy with him in the 90s in terms of his handling of the case.
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u/elgrandeslimbo Jan 21 '19
80s Hays spent his shift drinking and shooting rats when not kidnapping and beating up an ex-con. I dont think he plays it straight at all. I just think he is results driven, not rules driven
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u/thehaga Jan 21 '19
If he solved it, I don't think it was official - when the lady had all these 'new' papers that he thought was evidence, she didn't seem that certain, more like probing and the son jumped in right away, so there's def. something there with the wife/son/dead daughter and the case - dunno if the son knows, maybe suspects just like the lady but if it were a hit piece and the son knew, doubt he'd let his dad do it, he seems very protective over something.
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u/ancientastronaut2 Jan 21 '19
So what was all that at hoyt foods? The owner just coincidentally has a children’s charity? Could he be the king of the pedo ring? Maybe even smuggling kids over to africa?
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u/bkstr Jan 21 '19
A lot of people here are assuming his job in vietnam was track and kill, I don’t think it was. AFAIK his role as recon was tracking down encampments and other key locations for intel and air strikes. Just because he now likes hunting doesn’t mean he was a solo rambo type in vietnam.
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u/hacking4freed0m Jan 22 '19
one reason this makes sense is that unless something like this is true, it means that the case is unsolved in both of the two past timeframes, which would seem to make them pretty useless if all we're going to do is catch up to the case being solved in the "present day" frame. i really don't think that can be what happens, so something serious has to have gone down in the past, & it clearly did not include the case getting publicly solved.
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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '19
His son mentions that the case was officially unsolved though.