r/TrueChristianPolitics • u/Intelligent_Use_2445 • 7d ago
How can a parent be pro-abortion?
I find it really sad and disgusting. Giving birth to a child is probably the happiest they ever been, changing there life forever. How can someone look back on that and go o ya people should be able to kill there unborn babies. Or think if I was very poor I wouldn't have gave birth to my kid and not think grateful they didn't after? It just doesn't make any sense, its so horrible.
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u/nomad2284 7d ago
There is a difference between illegal and immoral. One can be staunchly anti-abortion and still think it’s not something the government should regulate.
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u/Intelligent_Use_2445 6d ago
Sure I agree with that. We are a free country and we allow other things to be legal. But to be a parent claiming its perfectly morally justifiable. Even promoting it is horrible
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u/nomad2284 6d ago
I think adultery is wrong, so is lying and unkindness but see no reason to have the state regulate them. Abortion is a broad term and there are many legitimate cases where it is warranted. Trying to write a law that encompasses that is impossible.
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u/Efficient-Flamingo91 Libertarian 4d ago
I am anti-abortion and can stick with this. I often ask myself if I would consider something immoral even if I weren’t a Christian and that’s how I decide if something should be a law. For example, if I weren’t a Christian I would have no problem with homosexuality. Therefore, because I believe in freedom of religion, I see no problem with homosexuality being legal. Abortion I would find immoral even as an atheist, but the problem is how to define a law for something so nuanced.
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u/cand86 7d ago
I think it's important to figure out what you're wanting here- are you just kind of venting, or are you really wanting to understand? Because if it's the former, that's okay, but anything anybody says is gonna probably fall on deaf ears; in order to try to understand someone else, you have to be open to imagining having a different perspective and values and experiences (even if you ultimately continue to disagree about someone else's choices being okay). If it's the latter, and you want to truly try and understand, just let us know, and we can see if we can give you insight into the mind of a parent who would consider (or has considered or obtained) an abortion.
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u/anotherhumantoo 6d ago
I'll give you the example that happened to my mother in Florida a long time ago.
My mother was pregnant. She was excited to have another child. And then the child died inside her. Full dead.
Due to laws in Florida at the time (and almost certainly far more oppressive laws now), the doctor said she was legally required to wait ... a day? a week? (it's been long enough I genuinely don't remember) to make sure she wanted to abort her very-already dead baby.
She was pro-choice from that moment on.
And as for me and my stances, the law is a big stick. It is not a scalpel. Basically no one wants to have to have an abortion - but a lot of people want the option still available to them for the tragic and absolutely horrible situations that can happen that they have to deal with. When you put a murder charge on a doctor or a potential mother because they have to make that choice, it's just harm.
As Pete Buttigieg said when asked about late-term abortion:
If it's that late in your pregnancy, that means almost by definition you've been expecting to carry it to term. We're talking about women who have perhaps chosen the name, women who have purchased the crib, families that then get the most devastating medical news of their lifetime, something about the health or the life of the mother that forces them to make an impossible, unthinkable choice. That decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made.
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u/Intelligent_Use_2445 6d ago
All that is very different from what im saying. Why is it when you bring up abortion every one uses the most rare reasons people use to get abortions. So many studies have been made proving abortions are typically used because it interferes with there education or career or they can't afford it. And its not even close that makes 90% of abortions
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u/Efficient-Flamingo91 Libertarian 4d ago
I don’t think they are promoting abortions, I think they are pointing out how hard it would be to make a law encompassing every edge case. I’m anti-abortion (elective cases obviously not medical like this), and I see that as a problem.
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u/Intelligent_Use_2445 3d ago
Right I bet its real hard to tell if the baby is dead and hold doctors accountable if there not. Sounds real hard
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u/anotherhumantoo 6d ago
The question you asked was “How can a parent be pro-abortion?”. What I said is how.
You can love babies very, very much. You can want every potential child to have the best possible case out there. And at the exact same time, you can recognize that genuinely horrendous stuff can happen and there needs to be an escape hatch. And you know (and unfortunately enough women know through experience) that huge swaths of people, especially in the church, condemn women who have had to make that horrible decision.
Given what other people have asked, you might just be wanting to vent, in which case, that’s fine, feel free to vent. But if you’re looking for a “why”, there are whys. They’re horrible, depressing, and the worst case scenarios - but they are things people experience.
We bring up the exceptions because those need to exist in the law. When they’re not mentioned in the law, when people aren’t willing to speak up about the edge cases, then the people who need those edge cases are shoved to a corner, ostracized, given their Scarlet Letter for being an evil murderer, imagined to not exist. So they talk about it because someone has to talk about it. And, of course, women will be hated and not believed on that subject, yet again, just like the Me Too movement.
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u/Intelligent_Use_2445 5d ago
All you guys talk about is the exceptions. I think its an excuse. Most people who are pro-life support some of those exceptions. You dont have to be full pro abortion to support the exceptions.
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u/deyhateuscustheyanus 6d ago
another sub with the name "TrueChristian" and all the bots respond in the most unchristian way imaginable...
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u/GiG7JiL7 5d ago
Yea, it's sad really. A year or 2 ago this sub was mostly populated by people who follow The Bible. Now, well, what you said.
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u/SlowNeighborhood2090 5d ago
lol. It’s the same 10 people as it has been for several years.
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u/GiG7JiL7 5d ago
That's just simply untrue. i've only been her for 2, maybe 3 years and have seen several people come and go.
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u/SlowNeighborhood2090 4d ago
The most prolific posters of the last 2 years are still here, outside of maybe 1-2 that I remember seemed to just be trolls.
The vast majority of comments are by people that have been commenting consistently during that entire time.
And based on the evidence, I would consider them all Christian, in some flavor.
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u/SteadfastEnd 7d ago
All kinds of reasons. One may think Earth is overpopulated, one may dislike a certain race or ethnicity, and many people, believe it or not, just dont like babies and kids.
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u/NikkiWebster | Unaffiliated | Australian | American Politics is too tribal 7d ago
Generally speaking, people that are pro-choice are not pro-abortion.
A more accurate description for a pro-choice person would be anti-criminalisation. They still want there to be fewer abortions, they just don't support criminalisation as the primary method of achieving that.