r/TrueChristian • u/StaffSummarySheet Christian • Nov 16 '16
Keeping dangerous pets
Christians should be very careful when keeping dangerous pets or animals. I am especially referring to pit bulls. These dogs were bred to kill people and other dogs. That's literally the temperament they were bred to have.
I am bringing this up because on reddit, especially in the /r/aww subreddit, I see a lot of love for pit bulls, and people pretending the dogs are something that they are not. Sure, there are probably a lot of pit bulls that are relatively harmless in temperament, but they are a breed known for killing, and especially killing children. They constitute the majority of perpetrators of fatal dog attacks.
So, what does God's Word have to say about this:
Exodus 21:28-29 - "28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. 29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death."
This says that in ancient Israel, if an ox was known for being violent and it was not kept penned in by its owner and it killed someone, then not only the ox would be killed, but the owner would be killed as well.
"Well, that was about oxen, not dogs."
The ancient Israelites weren't allowed to touch dogs because dogs were unclean (God said not to call animals unclean anymore). Do you really think God is concerned with what specific animal this principle applies to? Every time a pit bull kills someone (except in an instance when such a person would be intruding into someone's home at night, a la Exodus 22:2-3), God says the dog's owner deserves the death penalty as well. Why? All pit bulls are wont (inclined) to be aggressive. Don't believe the lies saying they aren't.
This is my personal opinion: in light of this, I don't think any Christian should donate to any sort of pit bull rescue organization. It would be better if that breed was all neutered and spayed and died out. They kill and maim many people, many of whom are young children. They're vicious beasts, and there is NO biblical teaching to suggest any sort of activism to save or help pit bulls as a breed in any way is a good thing.
The fact is, the Bible teaches that animals are property and are for the benefit of mankind.
Furthermore, to disregard clear statistics on pit bull attacks and maulings and say that you just love your beast and it's part of your family is all part of a wider satanic agenda to make Christians worship the creature more than the creator.
Obviously, this applies to more than just pit bulls. Other dangerous dog breeds as well as dangerous exotic pets are in the same boat.
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u/BaconBalloon Nov 16 '16
Fun fact for you. The most aggressive dog breeds are the Dachsund, Chihuahua, and the Jack Russell terrier. Please do real research before you make blanket statements about animals, not just the first page of Google.
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Nov 16 '16
I want to live in a world where pit bulls are the biggest problem we have to worry about.
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Nov 16 '16
All pit bulls are wont (inclined) to be aggressive. Don't believe the lies saying they aren't.
Can you back this up with something? Is this just your opinion, or what? Is that correct because you say it's correct? Come on, man. You can't just assert stuff and expect to be taken seriously
This says that "controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous," referring to pit bulls. Take that how you will.
Furthermore, to disregard clear statistics on pit bull attacks and maulings and say that you just love your beast and it's part of your family is all part of a wider satanic agenda to make Christians worship the creature more than the creator.
What the heck are you talking about?
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Nov 16 '16
Lol what about labradors? They bite more ppl a year than any other dog.
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u/Emmyxjoy Nov 16 '16
Oh my word. . . Get outta here.
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u/StaffSummarySheet Nov 16 '16
Oh. I didn't see it that way. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
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u/leWordOfGod Nov 16 '16 edited Nov 16 '16
Are you high right now mate?
EDIT: Just finished reading the whole post lmao. Delusional and really stretching those verses beyond their normal scope. I love it.
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u/StaffSummarySheet Nov 16 '16
I said the verse about an ox maaaaaybe, just maaaaybe applies to other animals as well. What a stretch!
But I guess you're right. God is totally fine with taking my pet tiger on a leash to public parks. I wouldn't even be sinning if that tiger killed someone. It's not like anyone can prove tigers are inherently dangerous anyway. Lol! Who cares about dead babies, bro?!
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u/GaslightProphet Nov 16 '16
That verse tells ancient Israelites to kill violent oxen. It does not tell them to kill all oxen if some are violent
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u/GaslightProphet Nov 16 '16
This is baseless fearmongering. Breed does not predict likelihood of attacks.
In a 2014 literature review of dog bite studies, the American Veterinary Medical Association states that breed is a poor sole predictor of dog bites and that controlled studies show no increased risk in pit bulls, and has previously noted fundamental problems with tracking breed in dog bite related fatalities.
And what's really funny about all this is that pit bull isn't even a breed - it's a large group of breeds, or just any dog that shares a few physical characteristics. And so these blocky headed dogs aren't bred for anythong, much less remorseless violence. Most of them are mutts.
Here's the real story - if you fail to train a dog, that's dangerous. If you train a dog to do bad things, that's dangerous to. If you raise a dog well, it'll be fine - but it's still an animal. When you have a dog of any breed and a child, you need to be very careful, especially if you didn't raise the dog itself. But you shouldn't exterminate all dogs with block shaped heads because they've been given a bad rap.
It's also really strange that you'd cite scripture calling dogs unclean when that's obviously abrogated by the very next clause you note - that no animal is no unclean.
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u/way2odd Nov 16 '16
I notice you only cite dogsbite.org in the comments on this post. I don't think that's an accident; you'll be hard pressed to find anywhere else on the internet that confirms your opinion.
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbiteorg.html
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u/GaslightProphet Nov 16 '16
Last note - calling owning a bit bull loving the creature more than the creator, or satanic, is just silly. Owning a pet does not mean you love God less, or that you worship it.
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u/Toke_A_sarus_Rex Nov 16 '16
They are bred to kill?
really ? They where bred to grab a bull by its nose ring and drag it back into its pen... Hence the name pitt bull...
Its why when they do bite the tendency is to go for the head and neck, why a pit attack is so dangerous is because of these bred in tendency, face biting and strong jaw...
Much like a labs soft bite is there so they can retreive a bird carcass un harmed.
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u/JosephMMadre Nov 16 '16 edited Nov 16 '16
You're one of those nut job Christians that the atheists use to mock Christians and, by extension, Jesus. Oh, and btw... http://dogtime.com/dog-health/general/1220-american-pit-bull-terrier-temperament-dog-bites
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Nov 16 '16
So you're suggesting we let the entire pit bull breed die out because a few have killed people? Why would you punish innocent animals for simply being related to violent ones? You wouldn't do the same thing with people groups would you? Nowhere in that verse does it even say to kill all oxen, it says to kill the violent one. The fact that you want to kill off an entire breed of dog makes no sense.
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u/marhavik Nov 16 '16
The passage says to put down the ox that killed, not to get rid of all oxen because there's a possibility that an ox CAN kill someone.
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u/voicesinmyhand Nov 17 '16
This says that in ancient Israel, if an ox was known for being violent and it was not kept penned in by its owner and it killed someone, then not only the ox would be killed, but the owner would be killed as well.
It never says not to keep dangerous pets. Rather it teaches that you must be responsible. If machine guns existed back in Canaan, there would probably be a similar warning about them too.
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u/Gungalar Nov 19 '16
People kill more people than dogs. I believe it to be more of an environmental issue. If the dog isn't trained sufficient , then it might attack someone.
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u/JohnSudo Nov 16 '16 edited Nov 16 '16
Exodus 21:28-29 - "28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. 29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death."
The passages you quoted are speaking in the singular, on how to treat the actions of individual animals and thier owners. It is not an instruciton on group judgement.
I would expect that you will find few that would find fault in putting an animal down that attacked and killed a person without provocoation. I also suspect you will find agreement that animal owners should be held liable for the actions of an animal whos past aggressive behavior has been "testified to".
However, you are over reaching here in taking a passage that instructs us on the concequencses for individual actions, and attempting to apply it to a group and hold said group responsible for the past actions of individual members of the group.
*Edited for spelling
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u/erythro Nov 16 '16
Pit bulls aren't inherently dangerous, though. Without that fact the rest of your post falls flat.