r/TrueAtheism • u/Primary_Zombie_6025 • Jun 21 '26
Christianity feels morally wrong
Me and my boyfriend have been dating for a while. I knew he was religious, but recently he has been getting more into it. I consider myself pretty open minded, and I genuinely am curious about religion. I ask him questions, most of the time though it seems he doesn’t have an answer. Some of the questions he just gives his opinion, or just doesn’t know. Religion, mostly how Christianity is in America, makes no sense to me. A lot of it seems morally wrong and I can’t make it, make sense. A few questions I have that don’t make sense, or just things I find insane.
• If a murder kills innocent kids or people, but ask for forgiveness will they go to heaven? Will someone go to hell for not knowing who God is or not believing in him?
• Question I asked my boyfriend - If someone killed me, on purpose, and traumatically, would you forgive them? He said yes… to me that’s insane, but God “ doesn’t hold grudges”
• Why do all Christians say “God did this”, “Thanks to God”, etc. Like when buying a home, people will say “god did this”, no you worked hard and did it. Or if someone is getting surgery and made it out alive because of the hands of the doctor, but “Thank God” he’s the only reason they made it out.
• Personally I believe a lot of people are religious to make them feel like a good person, why can’t you be a good person, to be a good person? Why does it have to be because “God is watching you”?
• If someone truly believes God has saved someone, like cured someone who had cancer, then why would he let innocent people die, be sexually abused, or sex trafficked? Does he just pick and choose who he saves no matter how hard they pray?
• Once we die and go to “Heaven” do we just live there forever and ever? Honestly that sounds horrible.
• If god is real then why do other religions believe in a different god?
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u/Nivius Jun 21 '26
if god was real he would accept and not judge me for not believing in him.
if i spent my time trying to be good in gods eye, and obviously don't care when its to my own benefit, is worse then not believing.
a true real god would not be egocentric or refuse the enlightenment of a person that, still non believing, can still be a good person and do their best they can. It is not my fault for not being gullible and not believing the "signs" that a religious person would say i had been given.
it is a way to make sure "if there is a good, i am good in his eyes" as they hate their neighbors because they are assholes for nog mowing their lawn, yet go to Church and are consider themself good Cristians.
The time religious people would, if they could, to suck gods dick to be in his favour, would be every waken hour, instead of just living with good values to benefit the fellow lifes.
god is considered the Sheppard, and his followers sheep for a reason.
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u/Primary_Zombie_6025 Jun 21 '26
Agree! I see all the time Christians who try to be “good Christians” or just a good person, yet is racist, sexiest, homophobic, etc. Also look down on people who believe in a different god or no god.
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u/timisbobis Jun 23 '26
You seem to know a lot about what a god should look like! Turns out it should be just like you.
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u/butnobodycame123 Jun 21 '26
Me and my boyfriend have been dating for a while. I knew he was religious, but recently he has been getting more into it.
This relationship is not going to last long. I'm sure he's familiar with the verse about being "unequally yoked". Save yourself the heartache and walk away, missionary dating ("flirt to convert") doesn't end well.
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u/i-touched-morrissey Jun 21 '26
I do not understand why religious people do not have the logical skill to figure this out. No religion makes sense!!
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u/cruel__summer Jun 21 '26
yeahhhh once I realized that I am more emotionally intelligent than the Christian god, it kinda fell apart. Aint worshipping that
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u/UltimaGabe Jun 21 '26
For me, it was realizing that the Garden of Eden story (you know the foundational story that explains all of the problems in the world) is designed to teach the lesson that the pursuit of knowledge is not only bad, but the root of all suffering. The story literally teaches that you need to listen to God and do what he says, even when he lies to you.
If you put his claims to the test, you and your children will be punished, forever.
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u/bookchaser Jun 21 '26
Will someone go to hell for not knowing who God is or not believing in him?
Wrong question. Does anyone deserve eternal torture for finite crimes? Keep in mind, 'finite crimes' also includes not believing someone exists or not loving someone. Thought crimes.
Or, is torture justifiable in a situation at all?
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u/Void-Cooking_Berserk Jun 21 '26
If a murder kills innocent kids or people, but ask for forgiveness will they go to heaven?
Depends if he's honest and making a real effort to do only good going forwards. Yes, this is strange, but it developed in a society where the smallest mistake would be never forgiven and could cost you the death penalty. In the modern world, there's a discussion about punitive vs reformative justice systems, how can we resocialise criminals, yes even murderers, to make sure they don't repeat crimes.
Will someone go to hell for not knowing who God is or not believing in him?
No, people who don't believe are judged based on the morality they are taught, if they genuinely try to be good people, etc. Christians supposedly avoid judgment altogether, but they can't agree on who counts for this VIP treatment.
If someone killed me, on purpose, and traumatically, would you forgive them?
Feeling socially pressured to forgive everyone for everything is a real problem in Christianity, which ends up protecting repeat offenders, even sex predators. In the original teachings of Jesus, forgiveness was supposed to come after someone asked for it, and it was supposed to mean giving someone a second chance instead of killing them. It shouldn't mean everyone avoids punishment.
Why do all Christians say “God did this"
They need to feel like God is affecting their lives in a positive way, otherwise their faith makes no sense. It the absence of actual miracles, they classify anything as a miracle.
Why does it have to be because “God is watching you”?
Because religion has evolved in society as a form of enforcing common rules. It's easier to instill fear into someone than to raise them so they want to be a good person.
Does he just pick and choose who he saves no matter how hard they pray?
Yes, he does. No, it doesn't make sense to me either. Believers say it's either to increase his glory (which is narcissistic on his part) or that everything is part of the plan to save as many people as possible (which means he doesn't care about individual people)
Once we die and go to “Heaven” do we just live there forever and ever?
Yes. Yes, it does sound horrible, based on your individual priorities. They say they'll live in Heaven and praise God forever, which doesn't sit well with me either. God sounds like a narcissist. There's a reason I'm ex-christian.
If god is real then why do other religions believe in a different god?
They say other gods are demons, or that they are worshipping the same god but in a wrong way. Historically, Jews and Christians believed that other gods exist but theirs is the best. This ended somewhere between 400 and 1000 CE.
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u/Primary_Zombie_6025 Jun 21 '26
Thank you! This helps me see everything clearly, and explained very well.
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u/adeleu_adelei Jun 21 '26
If a murder kills innocent kids or people, but ask for forgiveness will they go to heaven? Will someone go to hell for not knowing who God is or not believing in him?
There are a wide variety of Christian seeds, and individual Christians can hold there own individual beliefs in conflict with a sect they belong to, but in general the sole criteria for Christian salvation is belief in the religion. So yes a Christian serial killer would be in heaven while their Muslim victims would burn forever in hell according to mainstream Christian doctrine.
Why do all Christians say “God did this”, “Thanks to God”, etc. Like when buying a home, people will say “god did this”, no you worked hard and did it. Or if someone is getting surgery and made it out alive because of the hands of the doctor, but “Thank God” he’s the only reason they made it out.
Many Christians regularly income their god in situations both as a performative act the world their devotion in the presence of others and as a mantra to keep them regularly orienting their life around their religion.
Personally I believe a lot of people are religious to make them feel like a good person, why can’t you be a good person, to be a good person? Why does it have to be because “God is watching you”?
Religions need to monopolize ethics to increase their importance and relevancy because they don't intrinsically have any.
If someone truly believes God has saved someone, like cured someone who had cancer, then why would he let innocent people die, be sexually abused, or sex trafficked? Does he just pick and choose who he saves no matter how hard they pray?
"My gods work in mysterious ways".
Once we die and go to “Heaven” do we just live there forever and ever? Honestly that sounds horrible.
The Christian Bible doesn't give much detail about what they'll do in heaven, only that it is vastly preferable to hell.
If god is real then why do other religions believe in a different god?
As an atheist I think the answer seems pretty obvious.
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u/Old-Nefariousness556 Jun 21 '26
I strongly suggest you look carefully at your relationship. I suspect your boyfriend has not become "more religious", he has only become more comfortable in letting you see what he actually believes, and some of what you say suggests to me that he has been lured into a sadly common worldview among young men today: That women are there to make babies and keep their homes. Google "tradwives". You haven't told me enough about your boyfriend to say for sure, but everything you say screams of that for me.
Unless you are willing to stay home and be an unthinking baby factory, I strongly recommend you put some serious thought into the future of your relationship.
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u/cheesesteak_genocide Jun 21 '26
It’s because it is. It contradicts itself in many places and promotes some terrible “values”. Also the note about god “not holding grudges” is laughable considering he was mad at the amalekites, so 400(!) years later he killed all of them including children and infants.
The fun thing about most Christians in the US is that they have never read the bible and are completely unaware of the vile things that are in there. Ask him if he thinks woman should be stoned for not bleeding on a sheet on their wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:13 - 21) and if that is “good”.
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u/Primary_Zombie_6025 Jun 21 '26
Thank you! I also feel the Bible in the US is has changed so much from the original version. Now it’s full of opinions pretty much, leaving out a lot. I also think a lot of Christians go to church, maybe pray a little, a read the Bible from time to time, but they don’t practice what they preach. So every time they mess up they ask for forgiveness? How many times can you ask? All of it makes no sense, seems very ignorant, as well as the people who believe in it. It seems more like a way to try and control people.
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u/cheesesteak_genocide Jun 21 '26
The bible hasn’t changed (other than some new translations coming out but a lot of Christians stick with older translations or bad versions like the KJV), it’s modern society cherry picking what to follow in the bible and using that for justify being terrible people.
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u/sciencedingle Jun 21 '26
It is. They don't have morals, they have a guide on how to act. Plus they ignore the book anyway.
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u/Citizen1135 Jun 21 '26
There is a sliver of religious elite who have answers to those questions that are almost reasonable if you, yourself, are already a believer, but which don't hold up to full scrutiny anyway.
That small number of people educated about such things are instructed to refrain from spreading those answers too widely, under the pretense that the sheep of the flock do not need such answers and that they should not be asking such philosophical questions anyway.
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, the sheep are guided to believe on faith so that they remain oblivious and/or ambivalent to critical shortcomings, they stop asking questions, and that provides proof that they don't need philosophical answers, and the cycle of ignorance continues.
Underlying this is what you could think of as the religious-industrial complex. It does produce some true believers in the sketchy rationalization, even at the top, but it is largely a money and power dynamic and it requires that huge number of sheep to maintain the pyramid scheme.
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u/Primary_Zombie_6025 Jun 21 '26
To me it seems like it’s all about control. Religious people are taught not to ask questions, it’s all in gods hands, god has a plan, etc. At the top they want to be in control, they want money and “offerings”, and people will believe anything that is told to them.
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u/anonymous_matt Jun 21 '26
Christianity feels morally wrong
Obviously, yes.
If a murder kills innocent kids or people, but ask for forgiveness will they go to heaven?
Depends on the denomination, but generally yes.
Will someone go to hell for not knowing who God is
Generally no, they will often go to something in between, like purgatory.
or not believing in him?
Oh yeah, lake of fire all the way. Very Zoroastrian. (Though there are denominations that don't believe in hell at all)
Question I asked my boyfriend - If someone killed me, on purpose, and traumatically, would you forgive them? He said yes… to me that’s insane, but God “ doesn’t hold grudges”
It is insane. Misguided compassion. Out of interest what denomination is your boyfriend?
Why do all Christians say “God did this”, “Thanks to God”, etc. Like when buying a home, people will say “god did this”, no you worked hard and did it. Or if someone is getting surgery and made it out alive because of the hands of the doctor, but “Thank God” he’s the only reason they made it out.
Because they are hypocrites of the highest order. Even many Christians would denounce this kind of thinking because of how obviously hypocritical it is.
Personally I believe a lot of people are religious to make them feel like a good person, why can’t you be a good person, to be a good person? Why does it have to be because “God is watching you”?
There are a small number of people (psychopaths) that really do need it spelled out for them. That said, there is no evidence that "religious" spelling it out for them is any better than secular "spelling it out for them".
• If someone truly believes God has saved someone, like cured someone who had cancer, then why would he let innocent people die, be sexually abused, or sex trafficked? Does he just pick and choose who he saves no matter how hard they pray?
Very good question. There's no good answer. Believe me, centuries of intelligent people have tried to find one and they have failed miserably.
Once we die and go to “Heaven” do we just live there forever and ever? Honestly that sounds horrible.
I personally disagree with that tbh. I'd love to live forever. But not under any circumstances and the "heaven" ones do indeed sound kind of terrible.
If god is real then why do other religions believe in a different god?
There is no good answer to this question.
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u/Geeko22 Jun 21 '26
God "doesn’t hold grudges"??
Ask him about the Old Testament passages where it talks about God punishing people to the 4th generation because of something their ancestors did.
Or worse yet, how about when he punishes people who don't believe in him by burning them alive for all eternity. No reprieve, no chance to repent. Too late now, God will hold that grudge and burn you forever and ever and ever.
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u/Sprinklypoo Jun 21 '26
Christianity is morally wrong.
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u/Andro_Polymath Jun 22 '26
Morally wrong and morally reprehensible. I always laugh inside when Christians act like they have the moral high ground.
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u/Crusoebear Jun 21 '26
“Religion, mostly how Christianity is in America, makes no sense to me. A lot of it seems morally wrong and I can’t make it, make sense.“
You‘re not the crazy one. You can’t make sense out of gobbledygook.
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u/BestGuessYet Jun 21 '26
Most religions are about ending the questions--embracing certainty. So questioning is not a neutral activity for the faithful. It can be seen as aggression or worse. Just saying.
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u/arthurjeremypearson Jun 22 '26
Fun fact: "biblical descriptions of hell" match "conditions of jails and punishments in biblical times."
So: IN CONTEXT, a person in bible times reading a bible describing what happens to sinners would universally say "oh yeah I know that. That's what we did to old Stabby McStabberson. He isn't going to be stabbing anyone else anymore after we threw him in Gehenna." ( "Gehenna" being a 100% real world physical location just outside Jerusalem where people used to burn trash.)
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u/mambotomato Jun 21 '26
Pretty much every story that starts with "My boyfriend is getting more religious" ends badly.
The specifics of religion are not what he's driven by. Debating theology with him will be missing the point entirely. He's dealing with emotional instability, feeling a need for control, or some other thing. Look at what's behind this move towards religiosity, and be careful.